Are You Okay With a Slightly Older Girlfriend? - Vol. 3 Ch. 12 - Confession
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@Tamerlane I disagree that tsundere popular girl trope is annoying... but a rival addition is definitely annoying...
Why is it that almost any series with MC dating an older lady has her getting a school girl rival? Is there like a buy 1 rent 1 free deal or something?
Why can't we just enjoy the relationship without the drama of someone else added to the mix?
The funny thing is, if the author just made another series about this girl and an MC going out, I would probably enjoy that too...
Why is it that almost any series with MC dating an older lady has her getting a school girl rival? Is there like a buy 1 rent 1 free deal or something?
Why can't we just enjoy the relationship without the drama of someone else added to the mix?
The funny thing is, if the author just made another series about this girl and an MC going out, I would probably enjoy that too...
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yeah that saki chick can gtfo. no need for her or her type to be in this story. conflicts may be needed in stories like these, but the overly tsundere who can't take a hint to disappear are a type of cliche no one likes and are tired of seeing. i don't want to drop this cuz of shit like that, but i've done so in the past, and i'll do it here if i need to.
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He shouldn't care about tsundere since he already reject her and he doesn't need to prove anything but he is the kind guy that those words of "won't forgive you" will bother him.
And tsundere best friend too, yeah is all her fault and I can't like any of the highschool characters, even momo friends.
And tsundere best friend too, yeah is all her fault and I can't like any of the highschool characters, even momo friends.
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@deathmailrock well @Tamerlane is right it's overused and at least at the start it's very annoying, if the girl doesn't mello out down the lane then its worse 🤷♂️
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i heartily agree with the tsundere girls being annoying, in the past it was cute in the: ''aww poor thing she cant express herself! do ur best honey!, u can do it!'' kinda way, but since they started getting violent i started hating the troupe, and now even if they are not violent they still get mad at the object of their affections for not thinking about them, like:
> tsundere girl : dont ever think about inviting me to the festival!
> dude : doesnt invite her to the festival, he also doesnt invite anyone else but meets another girl there by chance
> tsundere girl sees them cries and goes ''so he invited her...'' and then the mc notices and has to chase her to talk it out while she insults him or some shit...
tsundere girls have overstayed their welcome, the troupe can be done well, but most authors make them such insufferable cunts that is hard to care for them, even if they die (i have seen 2 tsunderes die this year)
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i heartily agree with the tsundere girls being annoying, in the past it was cute in the: ''aww poor thing she cant express herself! do ur best honey!, u can do it!'' kinda way, but since they started getting violent i started hating the troupe, and now even if they are not violent they still get mad at the object of their affections for not thinking about them, like:
> tsundere girl : dont ever think about inviting me to the festival!
> dude : doesnt invite her to the festival, he also doesnt invite anyone else but meets another girl there by chance
> tsundere girl sees them cries and goes ''so he invited her...'' and then the mc notices and has to chase her to talk it out while she insults him or some shit...
tsundere girls have overstayed their welcome, the troupe can be done well, but most authors make them such insufferable cunts that is hard to care for them, even if they die (i have seen 2 tsunderes die this year)
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I meant to say THIS tsundere girl is annoying
Not that all of them are inherently annoying, though they can be @deathmailrock
I think tsundere love interests could be potentially interesting if it's justified as something other than just misplaced feelings, like they don't like to get too close to people out of fear of being hurt or don't want to fall in love and so are resisting it and denying it with every ounce of possibility
@Hollow7F fair in that sense, but I don't think someone misplacing their love as anger is inherently bad for a story as long as it's protrayed as something that's in the wrong, or as an obstacle in their relationship to overcome, and they don't get off scott-free
@Invader_retro It's on a scale, really. I think it depends on what the character does when their love interest shows weakness or is in crisis, because those are the moments where they should redeem themselves as a sign of support. If they're just abusive and violent over every tiny thing, it's unhealthy
Not that all of them are inherently annoying, though they can be @deathmailrock
I think tsundere love interests could be potentially interesting if it's justified as something other than just misplaced feelings, like they don't like to get too close to people out of fear of being hurt or don't want to fall in love and so are resisting it and denying it with every ounce of possibility
@Hollow7F fair in that sense, but I don't think someone misplacing their love as anger is inherently bad for a story as long as it's protrayed as something that's in the wrong, or as an obstacle in their relationship to overcome, and they don't get off scott-free
@Invader_retro It's on a scale, really. I think it depends on what the character does when their love interest shows weakness or is in crisis, because those are the moments where they should redeem themselves as a sign of support. If they're just abusive and violent over every tiny thing, it's unhealthy
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@Hollow7F 1st, I think it's fine. It's a cultural staple of anime/manga... and their "violence" is comic slapstick that shouldn't even be counted.
And you can't say they over stayed their welcome if they are one of the most common tropes that is pretty much a part of the genre...
It's like saying you want to go to a nation to experience it's culture, but then get pissed off at it's historical culture that's common in the place.
The only thing that annoys me with tsundere is when the only reason they weren't dating the MC was solely because they're tsundere... but that's more cause it feels like it's needlessly dragging the plot....
The tsundere is basically a part of the anime/manga existence, tied to it's very culture....
Plus, you got to remember, for the Asian market, tsundere are still popular. The feisty girl that'd spank you.. the Asian mom stereotype... and the Manzai humor of Japan... this is a huge part of Asian culture...
And you can't say they over stayed their welcome if they are one of the most common tropes that is pretty much a part of the genre...
It's like saying you want to go to a nation to experience it's culture, but then get pissed off at it's historical culture that's common in the place.
The only thing that annoys me with tsundere is when the only reason they weren't dating the MC was solely because they're tsundere... but that's more cause it feels like it's needlessly dragging the plot....
The tsundere is basically a part of the anime/manga existence, tied to it's very culture....
Plus, you got to remember, for the Asian market, tsundere are still popular. The feisty girl that'd spank you.. the Asian mom stereotype... and the Manzai humor of Japan... this is a huge part of Asian culture...
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Hence why I said mello out 😅
I think many didn't like Nagataro at the start but she changed gradually.
This girl also came in on a high setting of prideful tsundere.
Hence why I said mello out 😅
I think many didn't like Nagataro at the start but she changed gradually.
This girl also came in on a high setting of prideful tsundere.
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@deathmailrock yep tsunderes are a big part of manga/anime culture, i just wish authors werent lazy making them, like u said, to drag out the story, it gets really annoying in those cases, but the good thing is that there are also tsunderes that realize about the bs they do and try with their full might to stop it, im just mad about the ones that blame the other party for not understanding their feelings
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Momota's best friend is kind of unique. No to kissing but yes to "better than kissing". 😅
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@deathmailrock even if it's slapstick doesn't change the fact that it is abuse even if it's just played for laughs justified or not. Excusing it just cuz it's suppose to be a joke is just no. It's like how the old pervert or pervy guy gets passes cuz "it's culture." Sorry but seeing that shit disgusts me and are the reason tsunderes are forever shit. Very rarely do I find a nuanced good tsundere that doesn't piss me off.
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@deathmailrock My ideal Tsundere arc would probably be close to the one in NGE with Asuna and Sinji, but not 1 to 1.
Generally, I like it to go along the lines of:
1) The tsundere gets upset with MC when MC deserves it and not because of some misunderstanding. She tries to appear competent and in control on the outside and to those around her
2) The Tsundere has her own internal issues she is facing and is expressing her misplaced emotions through her anger tendencies. In comedic scenes, she should never get more violent than a gentle slap or a stomp, but nothing that would leave lasting damage. (Unless the joke is something to the effect of she is so powerful that she can not control herself and she sends MC through a wall or something.) If the scene is serious and the tension between the two keeps escalating until she gets violent, it should portray her as in the wrong or as a breaking point between the characters. For instance, say she hits him very hard, and he decides to leave on his own, and it causes FMC to get introspective and reevaluate her actions and her relationship, and then it makes her change her approach in the future
3) If the MC is dealing with emotional issues of his own, she should be able to realize not to let her tendencies get the best of her and exhibit self control. Perhaps she starts to get angry with him over a sensitive subject and stops herself because she realizes she's hit a nerve or that he's getting emotional. Maybe even show him crying after she starts to get too personal and have MC run away, for her to chase him down to apologize. The idea is that she should be their to support him and to indicate she has just as much investment in him as he does in her and that the relationship is reciprocal.
4) FMC should be able to have normal conversations with MC and not always be so stuck up, such as gradually becoming more open to an event or getting more relaxed around him as time goes on, but just keeping enough spice to keep the dynamic interesting
(Note: I say "her" but the genders can be swapped with this and it be fine. I was just thinking of NGE)
Essentially, you have to walk a fine line between cruel enough that it's clear she's a tsundere and that learning to overcome it will be her arc versus being too cruel and losing the audience's sympathy
Generally, I like it to go along the lines of:
1) The tsundere gets upset with MC when MC deserves it and not because of some misunderstanding. She tries to appear competent and in control on the outside and to those around her
2) The Tsundere has her own internal issues she is facing and is expressing her misplaced emotions through her anger tendencies. In comedic scenes, she should never get more violent than a gentle slap or a stomp, but nothing that would leave lasting damage. (Unless the joke is something to the effect of she is so powerful that she can not control herself and she sends MC through a wall or something.) If the scene is serious and the tension between the two keeps escalating until she gets violent, it should portray her as in the wrong or as a breaking point between the characters. For instance, say she hits him very hard, and he decides to leave on his own, and it causes FMC to get introspective and reevaluate her actions and her relationship, and then it makes her change her approach in the future
3) If the MC is dealing with emotional issues of his own, she should be able to realize not to let her tendencies get the best of her and exhibit self control. Perhaps she starts to get angry with him over a sensitive subject and stops herself because she realizes she's hit a nerve or that he's getting emotional. Maybe even show him crying after she starts to get too personal and have MC run away, for her to chase him down to apologize. The idea is that she should be their to support him and to indicate she has just as much investment in him as he does in her and that the relationship is reciprocal.
4) FMC should be able to have normal conversations with MC and not always be so stuck up, such as gradually becoming more open to an event or getting more relaxed around him as time goes on, but just keeping enough spice to keep the dynamic interesting
(Note: I say "her" but the genders can be swapped with this and it be fine. I was just thinking of NGE)
Essentially, you have to walk a fine line between cruel enough that it's clear she's a tsundere and that learning to overcome it will be her arc versus being too cruel and losing the audience's sympathy
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