Ban AI-generated Comics [Self-Published Ones are Banned]

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Changed the title from AI webtoon....and the dialog is terrible too to Ban AI-generated Comics because it's more descriptive and follows what I told you on Discord.

Let me bring up two things. We currently have no rules against AI-generated comics. However, we have rule 1.7 that applies to scanlations:

Uploading a chapter created by a tool that automatically edits and generates translated pages is not allowed. This includes tools that allow for additional manual editing after the automated process.

At the moment, there are 7 AI-generated comics on the site that I know of. Almost all of them are web comics that aren't notable. Eiken: Remake Edition is the only one notable as it's an author-endorsed, AI recreation of a 20+ year old manga.
 
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If it can be objectively proved then I am all-in for banning any kind of AI usage, including offically published manga, just because someone is making money legally is not a justification if we reject the rest of AI. It is time to decide before it gets out of control. Of course I would understand if the workload becomes unbearable.
 
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Uh, it wasn't noticeable from the start. It may be difficult to detect in the future.
 
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If it can be objectively proved then I am all-in for banning any kind of AI usage, including offically published manga, just because someone is making money legally is not a justification if we reject the rest of AI. It is time to decide before it gets out of control. Of course I would understand if the workload becomes unbearable.
I'm against banning AI content. I think it'd be nice if they're mandatory tagged like on sadpanda, but otherwise it's something we're going to see more of, and not allowing it will honestly just seem like some sort of political statement.
I don't think it's that much of a difference of AI created content, and these manhwas that uses tons of premade content like that castle that's everywhere.
People can rather judge for themselves if it's something they'll enjoy or not, and not be forced to.
 
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@bondejeger You can enjoy it all you want, even if it gets banned here the Internet is immense. You don't know the hassle that it is in user created content sites when you get tons of identical images mixed with actual art. Even Pixiv had to make it less visible years ago so you wouldn't get spammed with it, unless you actually wanted to find it. Here is about endorsing it or not, it's not something harmless. I'm not going to debate about it ever again.
 
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@bondejeger You can enjoy it all you want, even if it gets banned here the Internet is immense. You don't know the hassle that it is in user created content sites when you get tons of identical images mixed with actual art. Even Pixiv had to make it less visible years ago so you wouldn't get spammed with it, unless you actually wanted to find it. Here is about endorsing it or not, it's not something harmless. I'm not going to debate about it ever again.
I don't think that Mangadex really should endorse it or not, just host it. They already allow manhwa and manhua here. Avoiding that it floods the catalog can be done by making it mandatory to content tag so you can just remove it like porn.
I think that fighting against advancing technology is not the right thing to do, and if your argument to remove it is to be protectionistic of manga artists, then you should really rather remove manhwa and manhua from the web site honestly. They're mostly just as garbage as AI.
Considering the advancement of AI, I don't think it's long until you can create decent comics with AI technology. I think that deliberately putting down creative content like this is wrong, even if your goal is to protect the artists. Then it's better making it turned off by default like porn, so people who are interested in it can see it.
 
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Don't think like a zoomer, don't ban anything, just tag it properly and let people choose themselves.

If everyone dislike AI-slop, very few ai-mangas will be translated, uploaded, read, and so. It will be victory by numbers. If they succed and strive, then so be it, people can choose that, too. Let the will of the readers talk.
 
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Screentones, digital, CGI backgrounds/assets, now AI. Tools aren't worth banning, but AI has unparalleled potential to be misused as a substitute for creativity and artistry. Just ask amazon why they limit self-publishing authors to no more than three books per day. Comics made without drawings are still comics, there are interesting ones made with collage, photos, cgi, even AI, but are they the same as regular comics? obviously not.

No one wants AI slop spam on MD in the same way that chat gpt generated books now flood amazon, but I think we should at least entertain stuff like the Eikan remake since it's from a major publisher and based on a real comic. Also, artists could be using AI to generate parts of background images without anyone ever noticing, and we obviously shouldn't be banning that. Mangadex can't "ban" AI anymore than the government can ban trees, they're gonna grow outside the fence regardless. Whether you like it or not, use of AI as a tool is already happening and will probably only become more prevalent.

I use Adobe firefly all the time in my scanlations, but I use it in a way that it's not noticeable, and I still have to draw the important stuff to match the rest of the comic, i have no reason to suspect it's much different for actual comic artists that use AI as a tool rather than as a crutch. I dont see much issue with AI for use in background imagery for example, but when it's used for most of the character art then it becomes an issue where the expression (in every meaning of the word) is not authentically human, which as i've said uniquely defeats the whole purpose of a comic in ways that even comics made with real-life pictures or collage do not.

I think mangadex shouldn't allow any fully AI self-published comics, esp non Korean, Japanese or Chinese language originals. Additionally, manga where the character drawings are AI generated should get some sort of AI generation tag. There would be no need to tag manga where AI is used to support rather than supplement a human artist (e.g. in making details for backgrounds) because it's use might not even be detectable.

AI is an exciting technology, and it will probably continue to make marginal quality improvements as it matures, who knows maybe it'll actually be able to make consistent characters someday, but the main issues: a lack of human expression, and the spam potential, will never change. If tomorrow there was a sudden explosion of fully-CGI comics generated with a CSP plugin, I suspect they would be rightly removed as spam for the sake of quality control, I dont see why AI needs to be treated much different.

There are a few truly awful self-published comics on this site where the art is 2nd-grader-practicing-holding-a-pencil tier, but even with those terrible comics, at least someone had to actually sit down and put an ounce of effort into making them, which isn't true for the worst of what AI has to offer. I suspect the only reason AI hasnt flooded mangadex yet is because there's no profit incentive, and it's comparatively harder to generate a comic with AI than a novel with no pictures.
 
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I know there are not many AI generated titles here considering they can't make any money at MD (unlike those fake foraging books made by AI on Amazon that actually has harmed people or deepfake porn photos/videos of real people being sold online), but can we get an AI-genereted tag so at least we can block those "works"? Thank you.
 
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I know there are not many AI generated titles here considering they can't make any money at MD (unlike those fake foraging books made by AI on Amazon that actually has harmed people or deepfake porn photos/videos of real people being sold online), but can we get an AI-genereted tag so at least we can block those "works"? Thank you.
You can block tags? How do I do that?
 
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Oh, the topic? Personal opinion is to ban with prejudice, opinion as mangadex staff member is that if we don't allow AI-generated scanlations then we probably shouldn't allow AI-generated comics either.
 

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