BEASTARS - Vol. 19 Ch. 166 - Please Give Me Your Body's Fate
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Most of this is still good but Melon's endless plot armor and magnetism is getting tiresome lol
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yo this shit has gone downhill so hard. i thought once legosi quit school we were heading somewhere. clearly not
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So she's in love with Legosi, is legitimately becoming a better person for him, and is embracing her individuality for the first time in her life. So then she makes a promise that Melon can eat her. For what fucking reason? She hasn't told Legosi, so did she just plan on disappearing from his life? Is she hoping he kills Melon? Holy shit this is stupid.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he's allowed to eat her on New Year's Eve or something, so if he beats Legosi she won't live without him??? Maybe?!?
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i still cant wrap my head around this chapter. Part of it feels so artificial with how Melon is somehow tied to everyone, part of it is super dumb with her promise and honestly i cant understand what's the end goal with Haru's and Legoshi's relationship. Sometimes it seems like it's meant to be a cute "love against all odds" story and sometimes "this is a messed up relationship that shouldn't happen"
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Haru what the fuck.
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If Legosi loses to Melon, then the manga ends.
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Hah hah, everyone upset that Haru is either being, dumb, edgy, or 'meant to look deep'.
Sexual kinks, to people who don't understand them, technically look stupid--and maybe *are* stupid--or for blood-drinking goths such a kink can seem edgy.
Haru's just a kinky little bunny with a predator vore fetish who wants to jump down every large pred guy's throat.
Nothing more.
David Carradine was a cool Kung-fu actor and villain in Kill Bill, but he had a kink for strangling himself to death.
In the end he strangled himself to death in real life with a rope in a closet while masturbating. One could call that edgy or dumb, or say "how could a man with SO much money and such a great career see himself in such a worthless way and throw his life away like that?"
Well it ain't pretty , but It happens, guys. The kink is real.
Sexual kinks, to people who don't understand them, technically look stupid--and maybe *are* stupid--or for blood-drinking goths such a kink can seem edgy.
Haru's just a kinky little bunny with a predator vore fetish who wants to jump down every large pred guy's throat.
Nothing more.
David Carradine was a cool Kung-fu actor and villain in Kill Bill, but he had a kink for strangling himself to death.
In the end he strangled himself to death in real life with a rope in a closet while masturbating. One could call that edgy or dumb, or say "how could a man with SO much money and such a great career see himself in such a worthless way and throw his life away like that?"
Well it ain't pretty , but It happens, guys. The kink is real.
idk if my comment is even going to show up next to the one i'm replying to but i'm going to anyway because it annoyed me. this is also more of just me complaining about the state of this manga so idk man, tl;dr at the bottom;
passing this off as saying haru's motivation here is just "her kink" is a bad excuse for bad writing. the blatant fetishism that's been getting worse and worse during this manga is one of the main things that's really killing it for me, and if haru's reason for this really is just her kink (which i don't think it is, just shite writing) then it's a prime example of what's wrong with this manga.
"haru's just a kinky little bunny with a predator vore fetish who wants to jump down every large pred guy's throat. nothing more." that's not good writing. it'd be an interesting premise for a side character or villain, but this is one of the MAIN characters. or, at least, she was at one point. aside from that, it undermines the entirety of her character. what happened to waiting for legosi? just in this one chapter her entire character has changed- and while she was explaining her new found self worth i genuinely thought it was a positive change. even worse, this (as well as legosi's "kink" motivation) changes the dynamic and tone of their entire relationship. instead of a relationship built on actual, sincere love but held back by the nature of their species, it instead becomes one based solely on sex appeal and kinks, completely killing the notion that they have any real love for each other. their relationship becomes hollow, which in turn kills any possible hook the manga had. i enjoy beastars for the dynamics between carnivore and herbivore, the complex relationships that form because of them. i'm not here to watch legosi form a harem of rabbit girls and beat the shit out of some moustache-twirling villain with a jojo stand.
"Well it ain't pretty , but It happens, guys. The kink is real." again, a poor excuse for poor writing. a kink isn't a good character motivation; it paints the character as someone disgusting and predatory, and not in the animal way. this had already happened to legosi, and now, if you're to be believed, is happening to haru. it's infuriating. haru just hasn't been relevant for too long, which was another one of my problems, and her finally coming back gave me hope that beastars might ground itself again and hook me like it did during the first arc. but clearly the plot is too far gone.
beastars has consistently gone downhill since legosi left school. at first i thought it was just a hiccup in the writing and the story would get back on track overtime, but instead the writer seems to have settled on tropes and fetishism to keep the story going and the readers interested. it's actually somewhat sickening to see. i sincerely hope the anime goes in a different direction.
anyway tl;dr this arc sucks and fetishism is a terrible excuse for terrible writing you mong
passing this off as saying haru's motivation here is just "her kink" is a bad excuse for bad writing. the blatant fetishism that's been getting worse and worse during this manga is one of the main things that's really killing it for me, and if haru's reason for this really is just her kink (which i don't think it is, just shite writing) then it's a prime example of what's wrong with this manga.
"haru's just a kinky little bunny with a predator vore fetish who wants to jump down every large pred guy's throat. nothing more." that's not good writing. it'd be an interesting premise for a side character or villain, but this is one of the MAIN characters. or, at least, she was at one point. aside from that, it undermines the entirety of her character. what happened to waiting for legosi? just in this one chapter her entire character has changed- and while she was explaining her new found self worth i genuinely thought it was a positive change. even worse, this (as well as legosi's "kink" motivation) changes the dynamic and tone of their entire relationship. instead of a relationship built on actual, sincere love but held back by the nature of their species, it instead becomes one based solely on sex appeal and kinks, completely killing the notion that they have any real love for each other. their relationship becomes hollow, which in turn kills any possible hook the manga had. i enjoy beastars for the dynamics between carnivore and herbivore, the complex relationships that form because of them. i'm not here to watch legosi form a harem of rabbit girls and beat the shit out of some moustache-twirling villain with a jojo stand.
"Well it ain't pretty , but It happens, guys. The kink is real." again, a poor excuse for poor writing. a kink isn't a good character motivation; it paints the character as someone disgusting and predatory, and not in the animal way. this had already happened to legosi, and now, if you're to be believed, is happening to haru. it's infuriating. haru just hasn't been relevant for too long, which was another one of my problems, and her finally coming back gave me hope that beastars might ground itself again and hook me like it did during the first arc. but clearly the plot is too far gone.
beastars has consistently gone downhill since legosi left school. at first i thought it was just a hiccup in the writing and the story would get back on track overtime, but instead the writer seems to have settled on tropes and fetishism to keep the story going and the readers interested. it's actually somewhat sickening to see. i sincerely hope the anime goes in a different direction.
anyway tl;dr this arc sucks and fetishism is a terrible excuse for terrible writing you mong
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@Punch_Ghost The Melon promise happened before her reunion with Legoshi though, it was during that phase where she was trying to convince herself that she did not love him.
Legosi deserves so much better. Imagine diving headfirst into certain death to save the one you're in love with and succeeding, but later on she just decides on a whim that this random douchebag who literally molested her can eat her. If her fetish was this engrained within her, she wouldn't have resisted so much when that lion boss tried to eat her. She really doesn't give a fuck about Legosi, or her family who clearly loves her deeply. I bet she'd suck Melon's dick if he just asked her as well. I used to like Haru as a character, but this threw any character development in the garbage. Also why is the fight with Melon being hyped up as something big when Legosi already is stronger than he is (and now has Kyuu on his side AND has trained for like months)? At least Riz was obviously stronger than Legosi, even after eating Louis' leg. Shit has gotten really weird.
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Beastars has been playing with its weirdly murky boundary between predator/prey instincts, sexuality, and love for its whole run. This goes all the way back to stuff like Gouhin tossing a bunny porn mag at Legosi and telling him that if he doesn't get aroused by other rabbits he's just confusing his desire to eat Haru with other feelings and desires (I still think Gouhin's wrong about that one, and the way things developed after that seems to agree with my assessment), and Haru's initial attitude towards sex as a situation where she'd be treated as an equal instead of a weaker and more fragile animal, which seems pretty relevant to the conversation this chapter.
I'm willing to buy Haru's screwed-up way of thinking about and dealing with this as much as I'm willing to go for Legosi's mantra of "I'm just a pervert with a rabbit fetish" (Gouhin still bears a lot of blame for that one), or Riz's delusional confusion of acceptance and predation, or Oguma and Louis' near-inability to deal with even their familial/platonic feelings (when one of the most 'affectionate' scenes between two characters in a series involves one holding the other at gunpoint...), or Legosi's mother picking a glorified sperm donor out of a modeling catalog out of a desire for her kid to be more grey wolf than her, or...
...damn, does anybody in this have their head screwed on straight about their close relationships? (Maybe grandpa.)
Frankly, I enjoy this sort of "people's own maladaptive psychological habits and anxieties about relationships is what threatens to fuck it all up" thing a lot more than a more standard "we're in love but society says no" plot. Yeah, it goes some odd places, but it still feels genuine.
Additionally, Haru's not the only herbivore we've seen with this sort of "if someone's going to prey on me eventually, I might as well just get eaten and get it over with" urge - look at Legosi's Merino sheep neighbor, who was deliberately putting herself in situations as close to that wire as she dared, like riding in the 'carnivores only' section on mass transit.
These people are fucked up, yeah. But it's an interesting and somewhat real sort of fucked-up feeling. (Except stuff like Melon, who's ridiculously over-the-top about it, and Jack trying to kill himself with chocolate because he'd seen THE UGLY TRUTH OF SOCIETY - this story's not perfect.)
@ehe
Because the fight's not actually between Legosi and Melon, it's between Legosi and all the reasons he thinks Melon might actually sort of have a point, and the self-doubt and fears about the future that Melon's existence and nature impose on him. It's, for better or worse, a clash of ideals, psychology, and life philosophy instead of an actual physical contest, like most of Legosi's biggest fights. That's why Melon's so dangerous (and left Legosi handcuffed to a table): he apparently fully believes in his own nonsense. Even Riz's defeat really happened as a result of his recognition that he'd been deluding himself, gone off the deep end, and mauled and eaten his 'friend', instead of the nice story about it he made up for himself, not because Legosi physically matched him.
Take it or leave it, but that's the basic connection between ideals/psychology and violence Beastars has always run with narratively: you don't get to win unless you've beaten the other guy mentally (or gotten him to beat himself mentally).
Beastars has been playing with its weirdly murky boundary between predator/prey instincts, sexuality, and love for its whole run. This goes all the way back to stuff like Gouhin tossing a bunny porn mag at Legosi and telling him that if he doesn't get aroused by other rabbits he's just confusing his desire to eat Haru with other feelings and desires (I still think Gouhin's wrong about that one, and the way things developed after that seems to agree with my assessment), and Haru's initial attitude towards sex as a situation where she'd be treated as an equal instead of a weaker and more fragile animal, which seems pretty relevant to the conversation this chapter.
I'm willing to buy Haru's screwed-up way of thinking about and dealing with this as much as I'm willing to go for Legosi's mantra of "I'm just a pervert with a rabbit fetish" (Gouhin still bears a lot of blame for that one), or Riz's delusional confusion of acceptance and predation, or Oguma and Louis' near-inability to deal with even their familial/platonic feelings (when one of the most 'affectionate' scenes between two characters in a series involves one holding the other at gunpoint...), or Legosi's mother picking a glorified sperm donor out of a modeling catalog out of a desire for her kid to be more grey wolf than her, or...
...damn, does anybody in this have their head screwed on straight about their close relationships? (Maybe grandpa.)
Frankly, I enjoy this sort of "people's own maladaptive psychological habits and anxieties about relationships is what threatens to fuck it all up" thing a lot more than a more standard "we're in love but society says no" plot. Yeah, it goes some odd places, but it still feels genuine.
Additionally, Haru's not the only herbivore we've seen with this sort of "if someone's going to prey on me eventually, I might as well just get eaten and get it over with" urge - look at Legosi's Merino sheep neighbor, who was deliberately putting herself in situations as close to that wire as she dared, like riding in the 'carnivores only' section on mass transit.
These people are fucked up, yeah. But it's an interesting and somewhat real sort of fucked-up feeling. (Except stuff like Melon, who's ridiculously over-the-top about it, and Jack trying to kill himself with chocolate because he'd seen THE UGLY TRUTH OF SOCIETY - this story's not perfect.)
@ehe
Because the fight's not actually between Legosi and Melon, it's between Legosi and all the reasons he thinks Melon might actually sort of have a point, and the self-doubt and fears about the future that Melon's existence and nature impose on him. It's, for better or worse, a clash of ideals, psychology, and life philosophy instead of an actual physical contest, like most of Legosi's biggest fights. That's why Melon's so dangerous (and left Legosi handcuffed to a table): he apparently fully believes in his own nonsense. Even Riz's defeat really happened as a result of his recognition that he'd been deluding himself, gone off the deep end, and mauled and eaten his 'friend', instead of the nice story about it he made up for himself, not because Legosi physically matched him.
Take it or leave it, but that's the basic connection between ideals/psychology and violence Beastars has always run with narratively: you don't get to win unless you've beaten the other guy mentally (or gotten him to beat himself mentally).
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