Beware the Villainess!
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@Question2 Wait, when you said that you wanted an actual villainess, did you mean one who stays villainess throughout the entire series or one who simply starts out as one? I understand your frustration. I get frustrated too when it turns out the original villainess wasnāt all that villainess before the reincarnation happened. I never, however, expect the MC to ever be evil during the course of the actual story, only before the start of the story.
Anyways, hereās two recommendations for stories with MCs who really did have villainess beginnings: āDoctor Eliseā (AKA Queen with a Scalpel) and āI swear I wonāt bother you againā.
As for me... Iām more sick and tired of seeing the original heroine turning out to actually be evil. Thatās one thing you need to uncheck from your list. We havenāt even met her yet. In fact, based on the description, she and MC might become besties! ^_^
Anyways, hereās two recommendations for stories with MCs who really did have villainess beginnings: āDoctor Eliseā (AKA Queen with a Scalpel) and āI swear I wonāt bother you againā.
As for me... Iām more sick and tired of seeing the original heroine turning out to actually be evil. Thatās one thing you need to uncheck from your list. We havenāt even met her yet. In fact, based on the description, she and MC might become besties! ^_^
@Question2 i get what you mean. The title of villain is just there for click-baiting. The story in it usually doesn't have a proper reason to make the supposed-to-be-villain be a villain. So, everything else could be more unreasonable when the main interest failed to depict that.
But, the term "villain" is just referenced from a games or novels that popular in or from japan. The reason is for the reader to easily understanding the environment with something so generic. The skill of the author doesn't mean anything, like with the case "this plain girl's skirt is gonna be... with more likes". That was too easy work that just make do what people want with ecchi and yuri-bait. Even the same pose in all chapters and short chapters with no proper explanation of the weirdness doesn't mean anything to the hardcore fans who likes it. And so, the "villain" term is just some tools because mostly readers didn't have to have a proper reason to liking something. If they have a result, so be it. It's gonna be sporadical and the good one gonna be sunk on bad ones. My condolences
So, its clearly useless for trying to reason with a reason of proper writing. You have to be aware of that fact and ignore the thing that you don't like for giving a more subjectival response. If you don't, even a good one gonna be passed by because you are somewhat convinced that ALL VILLAINESS STORY DOESN'T LOOK A VILLAIN AT ALL, or ALL OVERPOWERED CHARACTER DOESN'T HAVE A STRUGGLE AT ALL. If your response is always like that, people gonna think that you are just being butthurt, be more subjective.
If you want to know a title of supposed-to-be villain being villainy, read the "reverse the hourglass". I don't need to know your standard for being a "villain". But it is my recommendation because the revenge of the mc is real and nice to look at her growth. Enjoy!
But, the term "villain" is just referenced from a games or novels that popular in or from japan. The reason is for the reader to easily understanding the environment with something so generic. The skill of the author doesn't mean anything, like with the case "this plain girl's skirt is gonna be... with more likes". That was too easy work that just make do what people want with ecchi and yuri-bait. Even the same pose in all chapters and short chapters with no proper explanation of the weirdness doesn't mean anything to the hardcore fans who likes it. And so, the "villain" term is just some tools because mostly readers didn't have to have a proper reason to liking something. If they have a result, so be it. It's gonna be sporadical and the good one gonna be sunk on bad ones. My condolences
So, its clearly useless for trying to reason with a reason of proper writing. You have to be aware of that fact and ignore the thing that you don't like for giving a more subjectival response. If you don't, even a good one gonna be passed by because you are somewhat convinced that ALL VILLAINESS STORY DOESN'T LOOK A VILLAIN AT ALL, or ALL OVERPOWERED CHARACTER DOESN'T HAVE A STRUGGLE AT ALL. If your response is always like that, people gonna think that you are just being butthurt, be more subjective.
If you want to know a title of supposed-to-be villain being villainy, read the "reverse the hourglass". I don't need to know your standard for being a "villain". But it is my recommendation because the revenge of the mc is real and nice to look at her growth. Enjoy!
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Lol, I love the reaction the prince had when she snapped and called him out. I was not expecting that character revelation at all š
I honestly wonder how many of these otome games with villainess rivals in japan/korea there are for this to become such a rabid webtoon/manga genre (not that i mind. Most have amused me). I've played multiple otome games but none of them actually had any villainous rivals. At all. I mean, not even any rivals, period. It's always more like...be calculating and try to figure out what the target likes and choose that response, because the dude just rejects you for not being interesting enough to him. (I guess north american market is very different that we don't really see that here?)
I honestly wonder how many of these otome games with villainess rivals in japan/korea there are for this to become such a rabid webtoon/manga genre (not that i mind. Most have amused me). I've played multiple otome games but none of them actually had any villainous rivals. At all. I mean, not even any rivals, period. It's always more like...be calculating and try to figure out what the target likes and choose that response, because the dude just rejects you for not being interesting enough to him. (I guess north american market is very different that we don't really see that here?)
@Question2 Have you trying reading The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass or To Be You, Even Just For a Day? Both Fls are really villain. Medea the FL from To Be You straight up order someone to murder a person that was bad mouthing her family.
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I think the problem with most of these is that the villain premise is slapped on for easy misery porn and for an easy revenge story. āThis bodyās owner was the one doing bad things, not me! Why is everyone so mean to me while Iām being reasonable!ā is really easy to get behind when the reader forgets that those characters have been wronged in the past. In most cases the āvillainessā is just a camoflauged protagonist, so that she can do nothing wrong, have the moral highground (and be liked by the readers) and still get āunjustlyā slapped around so theres something to put into a comic without thinking too hard on it.
At the end of the day, all these reincarnation and isekai flicks are wish fulfillment and mind candy, so a real villainess isnāt really what most people are looking for. I get why you would be sick of it but I donāt think it will change. Being a reader insert in manhwa form is the pull of this genre.
As for everybody talking about āfresh takesā on this genre- its still the same tired formula. I read these to destress so I donāt personally mind it, but I think itās reasonable that people are starting to be frustrated, especially since this type has been freaking flooding mangasites.
I think the problem with most of these is that the villain premise is slapped on for easy misery porn and for an easy revenge story. āThis bodyās owner was the one doing bad things, not me! Why is everyone so mean to me while Iām being reasonable!ā is really easy to get behind when the reader forgets that those characters have been wronged in the past. In most cases the āvillainessā is just a camoflauged protagonist, so that she can do nothing wrong, have the moral highground (and be liked by the readers) and still get āunjustlyā slapped around so theres something to put into a comic without thinking too hard on it.
At the end of the day, all these reincarnation and isekai flicks are wish fulfillment and mind candy, so a real villainess isnāt really what most people are looking for. I get why you would be sick of it but I donāt think it will change. Being a reader insert in manhwa form is the pull of this genre.
As for everybody talking about āfresh takesā on this genre- its still the same tired formula. I read these to destress so I donāt personally mind it, but I think itās reasonable that people are starting to be frustrated, especially since this type has been freaking flooding mangasites.
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Woahh!!thank you for updates!!the story seems interesting so far
@Question2 The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass and The Holy Grail of Eris sounds up your alley.
The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass is actually a Villainess who got reincarnated but this time sheās not dumb like her last life. Sheās actually trying to take everything away from the MC, but smarter than her last attempt where she failed.
The Holy Grail of Eris is good because a āvillainessā is taking over the body of a good girl. I personally love the Villainess myself, the good girl, meh. But itās pretty good heh heh.
I personally also like āTo be you, even just for a dayā. The protagonist, the villainess is actually pretty evil. The antagonist, nice girl is actually a super good person and I really like her character to be honest. Sheās not mean or fake, sheās actually kind. But you might hate the fact that the villainess
. Itās also not a reincarnation story or second life itās pretty good check it out.
Also Iām pretty sure these Villainess stories arenāt all suppose to be evil, despite the name āVillainessā or āVillainā. Because theyāre just either reincarnations or second lives. Itās not really a big deal, if you want evil MCs thatās probably a different ball park by now.
The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass is actually a Villainess who got reincarnated but this time sheās not dumb like her last life. Sheās actually trying to take everything away from the MC, but smarter than her last attempt where she failed.
The Holy Grail of Eris is good because a āvillainessā is taking over the body of a good girl. I personally love the Villainess myself, the good girl, meh. But itās pretty good heh heh.
I personally also like āTo be you, even just for a dayā. The protagonist, the villainess is actually pretty evil. The antagonist, nice girl is actually a super good person and I really like her character to be honest. Sheās not mean or fake, sheās actually kind. But you might hate the fact that the villainess
was actually good before something happened, which is dumb
Also Iām pretty sure these Villainess stories arenāt all suppose to be evil, despite the name āVillainessā or āVillainā. Because theyāre just either reincarnations or second lives. Itās not really a big deal, if you want evil MCs thatās probably a different ball park by now.
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Oh shit, I replied with the same recommendations before reading your comment lmao.
Oh shit, I replied with the same recommendations before reading your comment lmao.
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I also have a question about the two groups, is one a parody and the other one the serious plot?
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