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@InfiniteVerisimilitude
No. Wrong. There are quite possibly hundreds of mangas that were or are at some point licensed. No manga site that is sane will allow the actual official licensed material (like scans directly from the officially licensed English releases) on the site because that's how you get DMCA'd and sued. But fan scanlations are potentially covered under Fair Use because they are transformative works (and, yes, I'm aware this is a legal "gray" area; but at least there is a valid legal defense of being able to host this content - in America anyways).
Pretty much most of the manga that are currently featured and/or have an anime adaptation have a good chance of being licensed in English.
"Sounan desu ka?" Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Tsuujou Kougeki ga Zentai Kougeki de Ni-kai Kougeki no Okaa-san wa Suki desu ka?" Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Danberu nan kiro moteru? " Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Vinland Saga"? Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka"? Featured on the main page. Licensed.
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but I keep seeing this "licensed manga bring trouble" or whatnot arguments and I want the notion to fucking die already. This has nothing to do with licensing. It has to do with money grubbing racketeering shits that are more in love with their Patreon donations than manga; to the point where they actually withdrew all their releases in the hopes people are stupid enough to go to their site and give them donations. They are not fans. And, as such, the worst thing that we can allow is to let the blame for this being a desert with tumbleweeds instead of translated manga to be shifted from the guilty party to the incorrect notion that licensing is the problem. And, even then, allowing the narrative that licensed manga is an issue to continue means fewer scanlators, fewer releases and more people intimidated from translating manga.
No. Wrong. There are quite possibly hundreds of mangas that were or are at some point licensed. No manga site that is sane will allow the actual official licensed material (like scans directly from the officially licensed English releases) on the site because that's how you get DMCA'd and sued. But fan scanlations are potentially covered under Fair Use because they are transformative works (and, yes, I'm aware this is a legal "gray" area; but at least there is a valid legal defense of being able to host this content - in America anyways).
Pretty much most of the manga that are currently featured and/or have an anime adaptation have a good chance of being licensed in English.
"Sounan desu ka?" Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Tsuujou Kougeki ga Zentai Kougeki de Ni-kai Kougeki no Okaa-san wa Suki desu ka?" Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Danberu nan kiro moteru? " Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Vinland Saga"? Featured on main page. Licensed.
"Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka"? Featured on the main page. Licensed.
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but I keep seeing this "licensed manga bring trouble" or whatnot arguments and I want the notion to fucking die already. This has nothing to do with licensing. It has to do with money grubbing racketeering shits that are more in love with their Patreon donations than manga; to the point where they actually withdrew all their releases in the hopes people are stupid enough to go to their site and give them donations. They are not fans. And, as such, the worst thing that we can allow is to let the blame for this being a desert with tumbleweeds instead of translated manga to be shifted from the guilty party to the incorrect notion that licensing is the problem. And, even then, allowing the narrative that licensed manga is an issue to continue means fewer scanlators, fewer releases and more people intimidated from translating manga.
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@definitionofinsanity You don't sound like an asshole but you do sound like a naive schmuck who also ultimately has zero skin in the game and won't be the one in the firing line should a rightsholder get properly pissed. We're lucky as all hell that the rightsholders in manga have been as permissive as they have been. If most manga rightsholders were like Disney then sites like Mangadex would be dead like a lame cow in piranha infested waters.
Now, Mangadex is more relaxed around licensed manga than some previous aggregators. I personally appreciate this but if a rightsholder asks for something to be taken down then I much rather MD take it down then getting embroiled in acrimonious disputes which also make rights holders less likely to tolerate scanslations etc in general
If scanslation groups are assholes like that then on their head be it. Frankly, I won't follow them off this site. I also hope that they will eventually get their comeuppance. That is a different topic though in this particular case we're talking about Mangadex not hosting the manga and linking to the site of the rights holder instead.
Now, Mangadex is more relaxed around licensed manga than some previous aggregators. I personally appreciate this but if a rightsholder asks for something to be taken down then I much rather MD take it down then getting embroiled in acrimonious disputes which also make rights holders less likely to tolerate scanslations etc in general
If scanslation groups are assholes like that then on their head be it. Frankly, I won't follow them off this site. I also hope that they will eventually get their comeuppance. That is a different topic though in this particular case we're talking about Mangadex not hosting the manga and linking to the site of the rights holder instead.
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@InfiniteVerisimilitude
As someone that's followed instances where people have fought for Free Use (sometimes PURELY to establish favorable legal precedent - which is important in its own right), I have to say that you're coming at this from the wrong angle. You see pirating, basically, and you think this is the equivalent of Disney lawyers sending out notices for people torrenting the latest films because they're tracking IPs.
No. This does qualify as Fair Use. And even in the VERY RARE circumstances where fan translator groups are DMCA'd... they have not been sued merely because of translating (ironically, some of the Patreon minded translation groups that want to use releases as a means of donation rewards are flirting with trouble because any decent lawyer is going to point out you're de facto for profit then). I remember that the Haganai LN translation team got hit with a DMCA because the author flipped their shit (not only in reaction, but also in how they nosedived that franchise straight into the fucking dumpster fire it became) because they were ahead of the official licensed English material and didn't agree with how it was translated or something. The translation team, not being copyright lawyers or rich guys translating for fun, wisely decided to not fight the DMCA even though they technically could have (at great expense that wouldn't have been worth doing so except to establish precedent). At no point where they sued, in any sort of legal trouble or anything.
Without Fair Use, you'd have a point. But we live in a world where most often that can apply. And there's about 30+ years of case law/legal precedent to pull from to defend yourself with and to showcase how scanlators do fall under Fair Use. In general, anyways. Going back to the whole "donations = releases" that some (especially web novel translators, for some fucking reason) groups use is no bueno. And we have law to back up why that is - Princeton University Press v. Michigan Document Services where basically a discount Kinkos started selling licensed photocopies of various pieces of copyrighted (and uncopyrighted) work. As it turns out, advertising you sell photocopies of required reading from course books as packages is incredibly god damn dumb and a good way to piss off publishers and license holders. And, oh yeah, because you're operating as a commercial enterprise it's not Fair Use.
But scanlators that aren't trying to make money off it have two things going for them. One, it is transformative work because you're localizing it in order to adapt for language and cultural differences. And, oh, by the way - all that thankless work of redrawing, cleaning, shading and typesetting? That helps to prove even moreso that it's transformative work. Secondly, the impact to the original market and loss of potential value. In which your work is the only English version available... the answer is not much, if at all. And if any publisher or license holder wants to argue that they will publish in full, simply point to the myriad of dead series that have not received anywhere near full English license releases despite years and years going by and several volumes already being released. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a dropped scanlation manga that I wanted to read was licensed at some point... only to find out that many times the scanlation group was ahead of the officially licensed English content or it was only 1-4 volumes at most of a much larger series that got released.
https://mangadex.org/group/9097/mangaplus/comments/
Mangadex linking to the officially licensed version has NOTHING to do with licensing issues, but it's merely Mangadex offering the only alternative that they can because the group that was handling the scanlation of the series for all this time threw a fucking hissyfit because they weren't getting enough Patreonbux and they want you to visit their site and hopefully donate because of it. If, right now, you - InfiniteVerisimilitude - Google Translate image translated the latest raw of "We Can't Study" and edited and typeset it so it was a full English release - Mangadex would not take it down. You're free to do so. It's just that no one wants to put in that work because it's already being translated and released. And, like it or fucking not, Jaimini's Box can't stop other manga aggregators from uploading their content. As far as I know, Mangadex is the only site where scanlation groups can ask for their content to be taken down... and it will be. Kissmanga ain't gonna give a fuck or do shit (especially when, for reasons I will never understand, so many people still use KM despite their god awful porn ad/malware ridden site that attempts to go Skynet on you if you have AdBlock, and you can bet KM is going to make more money on ad revenue in a day than Jaimini's Box makes in a year). Mangafox/whatever-site-popped-up-this-week isn't going to do anything. Mangadex is the only site courteous enough to extend that offer (again, correct me if I'm wrong). THAT'S why you don't see Jaimini's Box releases of "We Can't Study" here. Nothing to do with licensing. AT ALL. It's because they were the ones that threw a fucking hissyfit because they got greedy and took their ball and went home. And, even then, Mangadex did as they asked despite it only hurting them.
Again: Jaimini's Box are who we should be focusing our ire on. Not Mangadex. Not the publishers/license holders/lawyers (...okay, we can hate the lawyers, too). Jaimini's Box are the sole reason all this shit happened. Blame them.
As someone that's followed instances where people have fought for Free Use (sometimes PURELY to establish favorable legal precedent - which is important in its own right), I have to say that you're coming at this from the wrong angle. You see pirating, basically, and you think this is the equivalent of Disney lawyers sending out notices for people torrenting the latest films because they're tracking IPs.
No. This does qualify as Fair Use. And even in the VERY RARE circumstances where fan translator groups are DMCA'd... they have not been sued merely because of translating (ironically, some of the Patreon minded translation groups that want to use releases as a means of donation rewards are flirting with trouble because any decent lawyer is going to point out you're de facto for profit then). I remember that the Haganai LN translation team got hit with a DMCA because the author flipped their shit (not only in reaction, but also in how they nosedived that franchise straight into the fucking dumpster fire it became) because they were ahead of the official licensed English material and didn't agree with how it was translated or something. The translation team, not being copyright lawyers or rich guys translating for fun, wisely decided to not fight the DMCA even though they technically could have (at great expense that wouldn't have been worth doing so except to establish precedent). At no point where they sued, in any sort of legal trouble or anything.
Without Fair Use, you'd have a point. But we live in a world where most often that can apply. And there's about 30+ years of case law/legal precedent to pull from to defend yourself with and to showcase how scanlators do fall under Fair Use. In general, anyways. Going back to the whole "donations = releases" that some (especially web novel translators, for some fucking reason) groups use is no bueno. And we have law to back up why that is - Princeton University Press v. Michigan Document Services where basically a discount Kinkos started selling licensed photocopies of various pieces of copyrighted (and uncopyrighted) work. As it turns out, advertising you sell photocopies of required reading from course books as packages is incredibly god damn dumb and a good way to piss off publishers and license holders. And, oh yeah, because you're operating as a commercial enterprise it's not Fair Use.
But scanlators that aren't trying to make money off it have two things going for them. One, it is transformative work because you're localizing it in order to adapt for language and cultural differences. And, oh, by the way - all that thankless work of redrawing, cleaning, shading and typesetting? That helps to prove even moreso that it's transformative work. Secondly, the impact to the original market and loss of potential value. In which your work is the only English version available... the answer is not much, if at all. And if any publisher or license holder wants to argue that they will publish in full, simply point to the myriad of dead series that have not received anywhere near full English license releases despite years and years going by and several volumes already being released. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a dropped scanlation manga that I wanted to read was licensed at some point... only to find out that many times the scanlation group was ahead of the officially licensed English content or it was only 1-4 volumes at most of a much larger series that got released.
It's not really worth the money for MD to fight a DMCA about a licensed manga. That would take many hundreds of thousands of dollars and many years (which would require having lawyers on retainer, case research, ect. which would be even more expensive) and all for something that would just only help, realistically, establish case law. The whole "pissing off license holders" bit is superfluous. Those assholes are never not pissed off and attempting to sue or DMCA someone over something. Don't be concerned about pissing them off. If they had their way, you'd be thrown in debtor's prisons just for walking into a library. They're pissed merely because you and I exist and aren't emptying our wallets into their coffers.
No, no, no, please. That's not correct. This is why I said this has NOTHING to do with licensing:
https://mangadex.org/group/9097/mangaplus/comments/
Mangadex linking to the officially licensed version has NOTHING to do with licensing issues, but it's merely Mangadex offering the only alternative that they can because the group that was handling the scanlation of the series for all this time threw a fucking hissyfit because they weren't getting enough Patreonbux and they want you to visit their site and hopefully donate because of it. If, right now, you - InfiniteVerisimilitude - Google Translate image translated the latest raw of "We Can't Study" and edited and typeset it so it was a full English release - Mangadex would not take it down. You're free to do so. It's just that no one wants to put in that work because it's already being translated and released. And, like it or fucking not, Jaimini's Box can't stop other manga aggregators from uploading their content. As far as I know, Mangadex is the only site where scanlation groups can ask for their content to be taken down... and it will be. Kissmanga ain't gonna give a fuck or do shit (especially when, for reasons I will never understand, so many people still use KM despite their god awful porn ad/malware ridden site that attempts to go Skynet on you if you have AdBlock, and you can bet KM is going to make more money on ad revenue in a day than Jaimini's Box makes in a year). Mangafox/whatever-site-popped-up-this-week isn't going to do anything. Mangadex is the only site courteous enough to extend that offer (again, correct me if I'm wrong). THAT'S why you don't see Jaimini's Box releases of "We Can't Study" here. Nothing to do with licensing. AT ALL. It's because they were the ones that threw a fucking hissyfit because they got greedy and took their ball and went home. And, even then, Mangadex did as they asked despite it only hurting them.
Again: Jaimini's Box are who we should be focusing our ire on. Not Mangadex. Not the publishers/license holders/lawyers (...okay, we can hate the lawyers, too). Jaimini's Box are the sole reason all this shit happened. Blame them.
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now I have a reason not to use mangadex site to read manga n migrate to mangakakalot..thanks
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so, H doujinshi marked as one original work is based on and original work is marked as doujin in link.
fine site handling.
fine site handling.
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Not sure what the big deal is. It's just one extra click that takes you to the chapter in long-strip format. If anything, it's LESS clicks or keyboard taps than what's typically done. Plus it's not like the site has a virus (I'm paranoid about this stuff so I use software to check on that. M+ came up clean). Finally, MangaDex itself is kinda new compared to other reader sites, so many have redirected or migrated here from other sites. How's going to one page (vs many chapter pages) any different?
Finally, it's not like a lot of the manga do this. Only a very few compared to the thousands upon thousands here.
Finally, it's not like a lot of the manga do this. Only a very few compared to the thousands upon thousands here.
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@TwilightFaze — for me, the problem is that their website works poorly with my keyboard-driven browsers; their scroll code is probably weird in some way so it allows me not to fluidly scroll with keyboard-only which is frustrating.
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@trapsarebetter: I get where you're coming from. I use keyboard over mouse, personally. Keyboard scrolling is a device-specific issue. You'd need to mess with your settings if you want it to scroll more smoothly, or click/tap the page and mess with the page's zoom settings. It's a lot of work, sure, but that's what I did with my laptop POS and (aside from the spotty wifi signals) I can scroll through everything just fine. Wasn't just M+, turns out: a bunch of sites I use scroll better now. Took some getting used to.
Anyway, that's just my advice, you can take it or leave it if you want. I just hope you take this one to heart: Never get a Toshiba, man.
Anyway, that's just my advice, you can take it or leave it if you want. I just hope you take this one to heart: Never get a Toshiba, man.
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I like it how mangadex help notify me an officially licensed manga i followed getting an update, though i'm not actually follow this series and i don't even understand what happened here?! But still to be able to comment is luxury thing, i love reading people's thought about chapter that i just read which is something i missed when buying the licensed manga that have cliffhanger end!? That happen recently after buying the latest realease that is vol. 5 and vol. 6 of "kimi ga shinu natsu ni", there is no forum dicussion about it and i was forced to read the raw last chapter because i was so desperate about this anxious feeling i had that i always surpressed through reading people thought and theory about what is happening and what will happen
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best girl : sensei . proof in
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My desired ending ranks:
1. Uruka
2. Mafuyu (I actually like Mafuyu more than Uruka but think Uruka is better love interest.)
3. Dark horse (Sister, Sekijo, forgoing love, etc.)
4. Asumi
5. Actual harem end (All in romantic relationship)
6. Fumino
7. Indecisive/open-ended (Fuck I hate these)
8. Rizu (Decent character, terrible love interest)
1. Uruka
2. Mafuyu (I actually like Mafuyu more than Uruka but think Uruka is better love interest.)
3. Dark horse (Sister, Sekijo, forgoing love, etc.)
4. Asumi
5. Actual harem end (All in romantic relationship)
6. Fumino
7. Indecisive/open-ended (Fuck I hate these)
8. Rizu (Decent character, terrible love interest)
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why where other missing chapters!? >.<
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