Concerning the US Protests and Our Rules

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@Ubergeek It's good that you're grateful for your police and all, but please understand that American problems spill over internationally because of sensational, opportunistic mass media. You shouldn't presume that people care at all. Fix your own domestic problems because I can't imagine that you care at all for what is happening on the other side of the pond (through absolutely no fault of your own, mind you).
 
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Y’all thinking it’s bad in USA...Go to Venezuela, where all are equally worthless in the eyes of the "law".


Protests are fine, after all, it’s a right here in the USA. However, rioting and looting is BS. How many struggling businesses need to be destroyed? It’s easy to see that the orchestrators of the looting are run by groups like antifa, etc. Force needs to be involved, and if peaceful protesters truly want justice and progress, they’d separate themselves from the bad apples that need to be squashed.

Also, ALL lives matter. That cop is also POS and should be hung, but we have a process here in the states. It takes time to indite someone.



Now, can we all agree with these 2 points?:
1.) Peaceful protest is good.
2.) Looting, rioting, and destroying minority owned property is bad.
 
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Good on you for staying neutral, first site I've seen that didn't jump onto the political band wagon.
It's totally impossible to avoid getting dragged into a debate on Reddit no matter where you go.

Only thing I'll say about it as an American is the movement has been hijacked by a variety of groups with different motives. Aside from the police issues, there are people angry about COVID lock-downs who were already protesting before this happened, random opportunists wanting to make a buck, anarchists, and politicians on both sides who just want to spread as much fear and disorder as possible in order to get votes.

IMO this'll be going on at least to some extent until the election regardless of any court rulings or reforms.
 
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lol how is anything "spilling over"? a lot of the complaining itt just seem to be people being salty about americans. nobody is forcing anyone to discuss the american protests
 
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@Zephyrus Manslaughter is not murder. Please avoid that kind of inflammatory twitter language because quite frankly that kind of hyperbolic speech is what is ruining the internet right now.
 
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Well, this is where we're going to have to disagree. He's been charged with manslaughter because it would be almost impossible to prove pre-meditation. When you press down on the back of a man's neck with your knee for minutes at the time, *knowing* the damage that it's causing and that it can lead to death but you do it anyway, that's murder.

Sorry if I ruined the internet for you.
 
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1985, huh? I take it back then. It would be very detrimental to the stability of Japan to agitate a bunch of grandpas.
 
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@Ubergeek Your ignorance of how this spills over internationally does not change objective reality. And your entitlement is very off-putting, I don't care about Trayvon Martin or Mike Brown or George Floyd or whatever media martyrs died for the sake of your shallow hashtag e-activism. If you have domestic problems, then deal with them. I don't air my shit hot takes on the HK protests because it doesn't concern me and despite me being generally obnoxious I still have the very good sense to not presume that my shit opinions about foreign domestic problems matter to anyone but myself.
 
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@Mr_Detective You are correct, every person has the ability to choose their level of involvement and understanding of the situation, but this is no longer an issue of red versus blue. This is an issue of humanity. It is the responsibility of every person, regardless of national boundaries, to support the oppressed. It is frankly demeaning for those who witness this protest as a political issue and dismiss it as so to also stand complacent, content with the idea that whatever country they may be in has no responsibility, and that is is not a European or Asian issue.

This idea of political intrusion, I argue, is unreasonable. I understand you believe it to be senseless to be reminded of this issue but I argue it is of utmost urgency. Oppressed men and women are not ever able to forget that they are oppressed. Overwhelming support is a powerful tool, and continued education and showcase of protests will only promote justice. As established beforehand, direct action does not create such tension and anger. I must ask, why would one be agitated by the strength of Black Lives Matter? Why would one be angered by repeated calls for change and action? Why would one be infuriated by the color black?

I understand the sudden facade that such people and corporations take is displeasing, but regardless, there is no reason not to support it, even if powered by social media and brownie points, the support for these protests only strengthens the movement.

It is important to remember that the police are partaking in violent actions in response to the promotion of black welfare. I must admit, the support from the white population is remarkable but you have seen the actions of the police against those protesting COVID-19 restrictions. Armed and well-equipped protestors stood guard with firearms and did not face tear gas and rubber bullets. There is a clear and obvious hatred for the support of black success and freedom. This disparity does not threaten just the United States, but stands on the forefront of every nation in the world.

I agree, America is on its way to great improvement but I argue that its biggest roadblock is not only just inaction but quietness. Those who are not willing to say anything at all. The world will never truly make reach its goals until every person stands beside one another to accomplish them. It is a given that some will be angered by black empowerment and protest, but it is far more bewildering to see shallow acceptance rather than to see outright rejection and hatred. I am not asking for everyone to speak out and message about the protests, but I wish to encourage those who are neutral to take a stance, and to educate themselves and others, and learn about the subject, so that we may end this cycle of despair.

I hope for every person, regardless of nationality or race to unite against human suffering and injustice. I only hope that some may see this, not as an "American issue" but as a human issue. Not as a an issue of politics but as an issue of human rights and suffering.
 
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@VIII lol you need to chill my dude. nobody's forcing you to opine on anything. you're the one choosing to post here, in this thread. also i'm not sure what "hashtag e-activism" i'm guilty of, i despise social media. i just genuinely have no idea how the protests are affecting you so severely that you're so aggressive at strangers on the internet over them.
 
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@Zephyrus There's no need to apologise because I don't think you're the problem here, to my mind you're just another victim of twitterspeak. I don't know much about the US judiciary to allow myself to air opinions on it, but what was recorded on camera was textbook manslaughter and I don't think that your presumptuousness should dictate judicial procedure. It is quite possible that the two men had some bad blood between them, if the rumours about them working overlapping shifts at the same club are to be believed, in which case you can upgrade the charge since there is motive which is the secret ingredient that makes the sauce, but I do not think that he was "murdered bc he be toasty fam". Silly talk. Also, that particular immobilisation technique is taught in several police departments and even martial arts like krav maga and there are several videos available online demonstrating the technique being applied for several minutes.

So I reiterate my advise to you: please stop it with the inflammatory speech since it's the kind of self-indulgence that is actively ruining the internet right now and I don't believe you're unaware of this.
 
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@Ubergeek I was talking about how celebrities don't really influence many people to do anything useful besides patting themselves on the back on social media. If people wanna do something great, they'll do it before any celebs tell them anything.
Did you not see the link the other person posted? Someone was complaining that a message about the protest was posted on CoD's lobby, a video game about killing. Really out of place and irrelevant for them. The thread was made to advise scanlators to not insert their politics needlessly into the story.

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Out of curiosity, which country are you all from?
 
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@Ubergeek I'm posting here because I'm not particularly prudent about how I spend my free time. And because politics is annoying and some Americans are painfully unaware of how their domestic drama factually, observably spills over internationally. As for "aggressiveness", I sincerely apologise for that, it's merely the way in which I communicate and I mean no offence by that.
 
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Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a post dripping with so much condescension before. Well done.

Not to mention that you stated that you don't know enough about the US judicial system to comment on it...and then you proceed to comment on it. Believe what you want dude, but no matter what form of ACKSHUALLY post you want to make, a man's life was taken from him unjustly. So whether it's Murder 3, Murder 2, or Murder 1, the technicalities don't matter except from a legal standpoint and what the prosecutor believes they can make stick.

And I'd like to note that the Officer that murdered George Floyd was formally charged with Murder in the Second Degree, Murder in the Third Degree, and Manslaughter in the Second Degree. It seems that the law agrees that murder is the appropriate term to use here.

Here's a source from the Star Tribune, largest paper in Minnesota: https://www.startribune.com/two-fired-minneapolis-police-officers-charged-in-george-floyd-death-cast-blame-on-derek-chauvin/571009922/
 
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@BusyGrade you claim this is an issue of humanity, and how everyone has a responsibility to stand up for those who are oppressed. We don't even know if this murder was racially motivated. And, then, does this mean you advocate for manga scanlaters to publish pages decrying the slavery going on in Africa, or the barbaric acts that happen in nations that follow certain religions, or everything related to the Chinese government, or any number of other issues where we can much more clearly see that people are oppressed and suffering? That would make for a very depressive experience for everyone who wants to keep their time they have for themselves as something they can enjoy. That doesn't mean they don't care. That doesn't mean they hate black people. It means they want some time to themselves to relax without politics or the generalndecline of the world impeding on that.

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