Concerning the US Protests and Our Rules

[anon763]

@Plykiya

Pretty sure assaulting other people till the point they fight back and then shooting them isn't self-defense

He was standing in front of a statue peacefully blocking the criminals from vandalizing the statue. They're the ones who started pushing and dragging him out of the way, and he pushed back, first to only as needed to stay where he was, and then to get back in (which is when that video comes in). Then they decided to take it from pushing to attempted murder, and when neither running away nor nonlethal methods worked, he defended himself as necessary.

@DoctorPaco
The one on which Marxism killed and continues to kill many tens of millions of people in Russia, China, Cambodia, and other countries that suffered under it. Far more than Hitler ever killed.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@sterven
How does that answer my question? Again, how is a statue of Marx “no different” than a statue of Hitler? No attempt at a “witty” one liner deflection, just straight talk.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@anon763
What is Marxism? How does it relate to Marx, the person? And I’ll ask again because you haven’t answered: how is a statue of Marx “no different” than a statue of Hitler?

 

[sterven]

@DoctorPaco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_...imes#States_where_mass_killings_have_occurred
Hitler the man behind the National Socialist German Workers Party. Marx the father of communism. What do they both have in common? Their ideologies caused an egregious amount of deaths.
If you're expecting some deep seated debate from me well you're not getting it I already got banned once in this thread I ain't taking another chance.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@anon763
Also, do you have any idea of just how many people Hitler killed? By committing the crime against humanity that is WW2, he and his fascist Nazis killed at least 73 million people. Never mind the material destruction and demographic horrors that scarred future generations and led to more death through food insecurity and disease.

Are you really out here defending Hitler?

 

[DoctorPaco]

@sterven
Imagine your description of Hitler being simply “the man behind the National Socialist German Workers Party.” What an absolutely whitewashed description of the perhaps the deepest scum who is stained with the blood of at least 73 million people (see my previous response to your buddy anon763, Hitler did WW2 and explicit genocide). And then talking about how his “ideolog[y] caused... death.” No, the problem with Hitler is not just that he said and thought some bigoted nonsense. He is a murderer to the highest degree. I’m actually baffled that within ten minutes, I have two people whitewashing Hitler in one thread.

 

[Halo]

@DoctorPaco

I’m actually baffled that within ten minutes, I have two people whitewashing Hitler in one thread.

Would have been more if not for mods temporary banning some of them early on in this thread.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@Halo
Damn. Thank goodness for that, I guess. Unfortunately the mods have their work cut out for them...

 

[anon763]

@DoctorPaco

By committing the crime against humanity that is WW2

Are we just going to pretend that the USSR didn't also participate in the invasion of Poland that sparked the declaration of war, and have treaties with Germany dividing the occupied country between them?

Are you really out here defending Hitler?

No, I'm defending neither Hitler nor Marx.

 

[Baddan]

Imagine turning the universal issue of police brutality and reform into an excuse to shill more racialist and intersectional nonsense that would only end up dividing America further.

 

[sterven]

@DoctorPaco
Sorry sorry I should have posted his full autobiography with a link to his book as well as every war crime committed during WWII to fully emphasize how much of a scumbag he really was.
Am I defending him? LMAO FUCK NO he was a genocidal maniac who deserved much worse than what he got. (Am I allowed to say that?) My point is that the ideology Marx fathered is just as bad.

 

[Baddan]

The fact people aren't tearing down Lenin and Marx statues in America and Europe proves the ideological vileness of these protests.

 

[anon763]

@Baddan
It's pretty funny that the murder of Breonna Taylor was being discussed on "far right" forums as an example against no-knock raids and of legitimate self-defense against police, months before her name was being chanted at BLM rallies under the delusion that her and her boyfriend's race had anything to do with how that raid played out.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@anon763
First of all, let’s have a reminder of where the discussion started and where you are squirming in order to avoid it. I asked you how there is “no difference” between a statue of Marx and a statue of Hitler. You tried to invoke “””Marxism””” which you have failed to define or relate to Marx. And now you are attempting to nerf Hitler’s crimes.

Nazi Germany annexed Czechoslovakia, annexed Austria, invaded Poland thus starting WW2, invaded France, invaded the USSR, did genocide, etc (and this is a big etcetera). No attempt to whitewash Hitler’s crimes will change these facts or erase the memory of those he has killed.

 

[M0NST3R]

I don't know if anyone has posted this but if you want another source to keep up with the protest stuff check out Tim Pool on YouTube.

 

[anon763]

@DoctorPaco
What do you mean "failed to relate Marxism to Marx"? He's the founder of the ideology, as was already pointed out.

Nazi Germany annexed Czechoslovakia, annexed Austria

Note sure what the crime is for the Austria one, given that it was voluntary, but Czechoslovakia yes. Meanwhile, the USSR invaded Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and parts of Romania.

invaded Poland thus starting WW2

Correct, and as was just said it was a joint operation with the USSR agreed upon in advance. Both are to blame.

invaded France, invaded the USSR

Yes, there was a war started by the actions taken together by Germany and the USSR, and the treaty later broke down and the collaborators fought each other.

did genocide

Yes, as did the Soviets (Holodomor and the various purges).

I'm not really seeing what makes the Marxists any better.

 

[Baddan]

Meanwhile China just invaded a chunk of India and no one gives a damn.

 

[Halo]

This is hilarious, since whataboutism is strongly associated with Soviet propaganda.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@sterven
You again fail to get the point. Please reread my last reply to you. particularly: "No, the problem with Hitler is not just that he said and thought some bigoted nonsense. He is a murderer to the highest degree." Whether you intend to or not, your remarks amount to whitewashing Hitler's crimes.

 

[DoctorPaco]

@Baddan
Or... perhaps it proves that you don't have the slightest clue of what is going on now, or what has gone on in the past.