Eroi Koto Suru Tame ni Kyonyuu Bishoujo Dorei o Katta Hazu ga, Oshishou-sama to Shitawa Rete Omotta Toori ni Ikanaku Naru Hanashi - Vol. 4 Ch. 20 - T…
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"There's no such thing as self defence for monsters"
Screw you b!tch, self defence is self defence no matter who does it, a power/skill/ability isn't "evil/bad" unless you use it for that purpose, if you attack first then you're the aggressor and have zero right to complain about the reprocussions.
You're just as stupid as the "zero tolerance for violence" schools that punish victims for defending themselves because you're too fvcking lazy/incompetent to do something about the aggressors.
Screw you b!tch, self defence is self defence no matter who does it, a power/skill/ability isn't "evil/bad" unless you use it for that purpose, if you attack first then you're the aggressor and have zero right to complain about the reprocussions.
You're just as stupid as the "zero tolerance for violence" schools that punish victims for defending themselves because you're too fvcking lazy/incompetent to do something about the aggressors.
step 1: enslave her
step 2: make her unable to break free
step 3: get a loicense
step 4: change the law to make illegal activity legal
step 5: she is saved and will be grateful to you!
this is so convoluted and impossible dumb it cant be rea- US democratic party history
step 2: make her unable to break free
step 3: get a loicense
step 4: change the law to make illegal activity legal
step 5: she is saved and will be grateful to you!
this is so convoluted and impossible dumb it cant be rea- US democratic party history
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if they make the slavery totally permanent slavers will be free to get way more awful to the people they enslave. It could go to the levels of chattel slavery like the Americas did, where they make the children of the enslaved people enslaved from birth, instead of having to do it to criminals or prisoners of war. they would end up systematically erase the unpopular sentient enemies' freedom with a way more efficient method.
things will definitely go to hell.
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Filia was sold into slavery by her mother, she’s not a POW, they already have chattel slavery.
You seem to be under the impression that the people in the old world didn’t practice chattel slavery in the same way they did in America, but this is false. a Roman slave owner could rape, beat or starve their slaves and would own their children too. There were some forms of debt slavery or contractual slavery where the slaves had some rights, but most slaves were literally property, often people kidnapped by pirates or the children of slaves.
I suspect that the narrative that American slavery was totally different and worse than the kinds of slavery you saw in the old world is leftist historical revisionism to try and make black people look more deserving of reparations and sympathy by making what happened to them a special kind of evil different from what happened to slaves in the Middle East or Europe and not par for the course in history. If it wasn’t then the conversation about reparations gets messy, then would the Turks have to pay reparations to their Balkan and Caucasian former subjects whom they enslaved? Would the Poles have to pay reparations to their Belorussian and Ukrainian former subjects? It gets really messy.
Serfdom and slavery are generally not the same thing, a lord does not literally own his serfs. A lord couldn’t legally sell his serfs or kill them on a whim. He probably could actually, murder used to be extremely easy to get away with and common, but it wasn’t legal. Serfdom in Eastern Europe however bore more resemblance to slavery. Serfs in Poland Lithuania or Russia could legally be raped, killed, conscripted into the military for life. Generally it was better to be a slave in America than a serf in Poland Lithuania since America has such an abundance of food that even slaves could expect to eat better than people in places like Ireland or Belarus.
Holy shit am I ranting too much, I could go on about the economics of slave importation in Brazil, the reason why despite importing far more Africans the Middle East doesn’t have large black populations like America, Korean slavery and a bunch of other stuff, but I’ll get back to the world of Halo and friends.
Slavery in their fantasy world has probably gotten as prolific as it will. The discovery of a new resource which requires a lot of hard labor or the discovery of a population genetically distinct from the humans in this world would be far more likely to profligate slavery. It seems that only the most dangerous monsters cannot be kept as slaves, so it would really just be succubi who would become available for ownership.
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Wrapping some speculation stuff in a spoiler since I've seen every chapter, albeit untranslated. I don't know if they're actually spoilers since I don't know Japanese.
My guess is the slavery stuff is an authority/control extension of the power fantasy trope. It's probably common in writing due to the prevalence of power-trip isekai and other works deconstructing the trope. I don't really know if there's other cultural stuff at play.
Probably safe to say, but I think this work falls under the "deconstructing" umbrella. I think it's fundamentally a found-family story that explores power dynamic tropes in an isekai setting.
This took me by surprise too. I thought this was a completely wholesome chapter until I translated it.
I think Espada is essentially treating Amor like a big red button that any mage could press for five seconds to release a feral lion. My hope is that permanent slavery is impossible and Espada will be content with a more secure removal process.
I interpreted Espada's "no self-defense" talk as a warning to manage Halo's expectations. From a literary framing, this line is meant to inform the reader about how the town would react to Amor's charm. It's definitely a horrible thing to say, but it's probably important for Halo (and the reader) to hear.
Espada's actions were terrible, but they could have saved the guild if Amor was hostile. From her point of view, Amor could have been trying to amass an army and already charmed two of her strongest units. If she gained control of Espada, then she would have indirect control of the guild and another presumably strong fighter. This was probably too dangerous to risk inaction.
Remember that succubi are a priority-one threat for a reason. Their charm is essentially used enslave people as well, but it is easier to apply, it is used for reproduction instead of labor, and it leads to addiction, brain-rot, and death. I completely agree with your moral objections, but Halo put her in an incredibly dangerous position.
Espada's actions were terrible, but they could have saved the guild if Amor was hostile. From her point of view, Amor could have been trying to amass an army and already charmed two of her strongest units. If she gained control of Espada, then she would have indirect control of the guild and another presumably strong fighter. This was probably too dangerous to risk inaction.
Remember that succubi are a priority-one threat for a reason. Their charm is essentially used enslave people as well, but it is easier to apply, it is used for reproduction instead of labor, and it leads to addiction, brain-rot, and death. I completely agree with your moral objections, but Halo put her in an incredibly dangerous position.
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Wait why is this “completed” ?? Did it get cancelled?
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Ah sorry I meant aid in the sense of committing. Abide was the word I wanted to use. Second language troubles
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Maybe I'm crazy but I think we're supposed to read this story with the understanding that slavery is bad, this society is bad in practicing it, and Halo is a fucking idiot and immoral for just rolling with it. We aren't supposed to uncritically side with Espada, here. I mean she had the line "There is no such thing as 'self-defense' for monsters." That's crazy. Halo goes along with this because it gets her what she wants, right now; she didn't even stop to think about the wider ramifications of a perfected slave spell.
Espada wants to tame priority-one threat monsters because of all the good she thinks that could do. She wants Halo to develop this spell and to give it to the Guild; she trusts her higher-ups in the Guild to use it properly. Is that because she doesn't think the Guild will let it get out to slave traders? Or because she didn't stop to think about the ramifications beyond what she's focused on? Or because she just doesn't think that much about people being enslaved because she's from a culture where that is normalized and she isn't herself enslaved? I don't know. For that matter, I'd be at least a little suspect of what Espada imagines the Guild might do with their subjugated mega-monsters, once they had them. She has done a lot of killing.
Halo is a typical isekai protagonist in that she just doesn't really think all that much about cultural differences or question the morality of the systems she's a part of, she just happily goes along with things and focusing on her own short-term happiness; the difference is that the story portrays her as an idiot and a bad person for it, if bad in a lighthearted comedic gets-her-comeuppance way via getting slimed or spiking herself with aphrodisiac. All of our other main characters have things with their stories that put this world's society in a negative light, and Halo stumbles into being a helpful figure and someone they can become friends (family? lovers??) with. I think this is going somewhere other than "And then Halo made the perfect slavery spell and everything was fine hooray". Maybe Filia will have thoughts about Halo working on that when she finds out!
It's a fantasy setting, and it's very much a fantasy setting, it's quite different from real world historical periods; but I think it does a good job of showing bad things about the world in a largely realistic light?
Another thing on the slave spell, unless I'm forgetting something huge, Filia is still under it. Halo thinks to herself she could break it with little effort but doesn't actually break it. Halo just sorta stopped treating her as a slave, at first because she dug herself into a lie, and then because she's just been seeing her relationship to Filia differently. She didn't really ever think of her as an object, but as a person. A person who conveniently would have to fuck her, but a person. She doesn't really seem to grasp how monstrous a thing slavery is, and after learning how horribly Filia suffered... Didn't really internalize that, at all.
Halo objectifies people, mainly other women, without thinking much of it—without really considering what it is, exactly, she's doing. She doesn't really seem to want power over others? Maybe she has some inclinations to certain forms of sadism, like with the slime chapter, but mostly... I mean... She wanted a sex slave so she didn't have to say out loud that she wanted to have sex with a woman. That's explicit from chapter one! She is a really immature person. I think she's a good deconstruction of the isekai protagonists who have slaves to gratify the reader fantasy of easily available, assured sex; by just having her be like that but then still folding to social pressure and embarrassment and, when things are blatant enough, her own morality... and so still not having had any sex! It's simple, but I think it works.
Also oh man so volume six is the last one, then? On the one hand that's a shame, on the other I'm excited by the thought of seeing this come to a finish. I really want to see the note this ends on. Will it stick the landing, and be so much better than it has any right to be to the end? Or am I just delusional? Or does the manga end a million years before the original web novel and so it's not actually an ending? Hahah, let me pretend it's definitely not going to be that one, please, please.
Espada wants to tame priority-one threat monsters because of all the good she thinks that could do. She wants Halo to develop this spell and to give it to the Guild; she trusts her higher-ups in the Guild to use it properly. Is that because she doesn't think the Guild will let it get out to slave traders? Or because she didn't stop to think about the ramifications beyond what she's focused on? Or because she just doesn't think that much about people being enslaved because she's from a culture where that is normalized and she isn't herself enslaved? I don't know. For that matter, I'd be at least a little suspect of what Espada imagines the Guild might do with their subjugated mega-monsters, once they had them. She has done a lot of killing.
Halo is a typical isekai protagonist in that she just doesn't really think all that much about cultural differences or question the morality of the systems she's a part of, she just happily goes along with things and focusing on her own short-term happiness; the difference is that the story portrays her as an idiot and a bad person for it, if bad in a lighthearted comedic gets-her-comeuppance way via getting slimed or spiking herself with aphrodisiac. All of our other main characters have things with their stories that put this world's society in a negative light, and Halo stumbles into being a helpful figure and someone they can become friends (family? lovers??) with. I think this is going somewhere other than "And then Halo made the perfect slavery spell and everything was fine hooray". Maybe Filia will have thoughts about Halo working on that when she finds out!
It's a fantasy setting, and it's very much a fantasy setting, it's quite different from real world historical periods; but I think it does a good job of showing bad things about the world in a largely realistic light?
Another thing on the slave spell, unless I'm forgetting something huge, Filia is still under it. Halo thinks to herself she could break it with little effort but doesn't actually break it. Halo just sorta stopped treating her as a slave, at first because she dug herself into a lie, and then because she's just been seeing her relationship to Filia differently. She didn't really ever think of her as an object, but as a person. A person who conveniently would have to fuck her, but a person. She doesn't really seem to grasp how monstrous a thing slavery is, and after learning how horribly Filia suffered... Didn't really internalize that, at all.
Halo objectifies people, mainly other women, without thinking much of it—without really considering what it is, exactly, she's doing. She doesn't really seem to want power over others? Maybe she has some inclinations to certain forms of sadism, like with the slime chapter, but mostly... I mean... She wanted a sex slave so she didn't have to say out loud that she wanted to have sex with a woman. That's explicit from chapter one! She is a really immature person. I think she's a good deconstruction of the isekai protagonists who have slaves to gratify the reader fantasy of easily available, assured sex; by just having her be like that but then still folding to social pressure and embarrassment and, when things are blatant enough, her own morality... and so still not having had any sex! It's simple, but I think it works.
Also oh man so volume six is the last one, then? On the one hand that's a shame, on the other I'm excited by the thought of seeing this come to a finish. I really want to see the note this ends on. Will it stick the landing, and be so much better than it has any right to be to the end? Or am I just delusional? Or does the manga end a million years before the original web novel and so it's not actually an ending? Hahah, let me pretend it's definitely not going to be that one, please, please.
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