Maybe if you wouldn't act like such a coward, hiding your personal attacks against people under a Spoiler tag, then I wouldn't call you a coward,
@TwilightFaze.
"Care to give examples of good things she's done for Tarou?"
"I did. Several times in our previous conversations. Even marked the chapters and pages for you. What did you do? Insult me! No counter-arguments, just insults. You want them, go back to our previous chats. I haven't deleted anything. I don't see why I should accommodate you any further if all you're going to be is 10 levels of rude for having a different opinion."
I looked through the comment section's archive, and you haven't listed any examples of Ibusuki doing good things for Tarou at any point in the comment section - so I guess that makes you a liar as well.
"Firstly, since when does love have anything to do about practicality?"
"By itself? Nothing. You are absolutely right on that front, but that's not what I was implying at all. Love may be irrational, but Tarou is both logical and irrational. A mental paradox, ie, truly in love."
So you admit that Tarou is truly in love with Eve - now imagine that Ibusuki's plan to make him unable to see & hear her anymore comes to fruition, and what his reaction would be.
"Eve disappearing is not a guaranteed, inevitable thing"
"Agreed, however, given the direction this manga is going and what the ultimate goal of Tarou and Ibusuki is, the probability is pretty good. Not 100%, certainly, but still a large chunk."
Tarou's ultimate goal is not to have Eve disappear.
(Being a hikkokimori, even if they have good actions, is still a bad thing) "That's debatable."
"in modern society it's bad." Why? How?
"Forget being a functioning member of the workforce or whatever."
Working from home is a thing.
"It's bad for your health, physically and mentally. It's also bad for you socially" Again, why and how?
"People can deny it, but we humans need to be around other people; and this is coming from an anti-social hermit, so let that sink in for a few minutes."
People need to socialize, yes, but you may have heard of something called the 'internet', where people can socialize with each other from across the world without needing to be in each other's physical presence. Kinda like what we're doing now.
"What proof do we have that Eve's existence is responsible for causing harm to Tarou, aside from his father's dubious claim?"
"in direct response, Chapter 151 when first trying to rescue Eve opened his wound. His dad suffered the same effect (almost) when using his to try and keep a hold on Eve, as further evidence. This isn't the first time Tarou used his power to help Eve. Anytime he does, Eve becomes more "human" but at the cost of whatever's happening to Tarou's brain and definitely his wound. It's not fully understood yet, but it's clear using your FLZ takes a heavy mental strain on some level. If it's enough to open Tarou;s wound, it implies that is can also cause an aneurysm. Speculation, I know, but everything seems to point in that direction. I showed other evidence of Tarou using his power too in previous conversations as well."
So, essentially, when an outside party tries to forcibly separate Tarou and Eve in some way, it creates a mental strain on Tarou to fight it? Maybe those outside parties should just stop trying to separate them, then. This is like saying the relationship between a parent and their offspring is harmful to the parent when an outside party tries to remove the offspring from them. It's not evidence that the relationship between the two is harmful at all.
"Not once have I ignored or denied that Ibusuki suffers from being able to see the FLZs, nor made the claim that she hates Eve and is trying to kill her. "
"Yes. Yes, actually, you HAVE said that (especially the latter). I can pull up the previous conversations where you made such claims, unless you deleted/edited them."
Go ahead then.
"and neither is it Tarou's fault, as she and seemingly the author would have us believe."
"Then how did she get it? All evidence points to Tarou's headbutt."
Did Tarou know at the time of headbutting Ibusuki that it would give her the ability to see FLZs? No. Why did Tarou headbutt Ibusuki in the first place? Because he was upset that Ibusuki was leaving suddenly and didn't tell him about it until it was already time for her to go - a reasonable thing to be upset about. Looking deeper than the surface of the event shows pretty clearly that Ibusuki is mainly at fault for her situation, but I suppose that would subvert the narrative that you agree with, so you just gloss over it. And oh look, she's doing the exact same thing again in the story.
"Ibusuki is clearly not against the idea of Eve going to sleep,"
"Re-read the chapter. Yes, she is. You don't make a horrified face like that or silently apologize to Ebino behind her back if you didn't have a problem with it."
Ibusuki's horrified face was a reaction to Eve saying she wanted to go to sleep so she could at least stay by Tarou's side - it was a reaction to the sadness and purity of Eve's request. Ibusuki silently apologizes to Ebino behind her back because she's manipulating her into getting involved and using her as a sacrifice to solve the problem. If Ebino carries out this plan of winning over Tarou for the purpose of stopping him from seeing Eve anymore, how healthy do you imagine that relationship would be? And how convenient it would be for Ibusuki, for Ebino to take all the responsibility and blame, while she's gone overseas and removed from all of their lives and the consequences of her scheming and actions.
"seeing as she's attempting to manipulate Ebino into carrying out a plan with that purpose in mind - if Tarou falls for Ebino, Eve will go to sleep, and thus be removed as an 'obstacle' for him living a 'normal, happy, healthy' life."
"Which is all EVE'S plan, I need to remind you, not Ibusuki's." Eve's intentions with this plan are pure and unselfish - she's been led to believe that her relationship with Tarou is not only unsustainable but unhealthy for Tarou, and that she'll eventually not want to be around Tarou anymore, which goes against every fiber of her being.
"Ibusuki is the henchman in this role. Eve is the mastermind. She is the one who discussed the plan and enlisted Ibusuki. You can't vilify Ibusuki and not put the same blame on Eve." Ibusuki is the willing accomplice and facilitator, because separating Eve and Tarou goes along with her own selfish desires. She is not the innocent pawn you're deceitfully trying to paint her as. I can indeed vilify Ibusuki without doing the same for Eve because I actually read the story - both the surface and between the lines.
"So far, I've yet to see any growth from Ibusuki, which continues to cause problems and drama both for herself and for Tarou,"
"I've pointed out this growth, several times, in previous conversations." Another lie, just like your previous one relating to past comments in this forum.
"From my perspective, it's just not in the direction you like. Gotta remember, she hated Tarou and wanted revenge ultimately enlisting him to help stop seeing FLZs. She re-kindled her love for him ending her grudge and hate" Ah, and there's the first comment you've actually made on Ibusuki's growth.
"is on the path of ending the facade of pretending to be a guy to be true to herself" OH MY FUCKING GOD ARE YOU SERIOUS WITH THIS COMMENT?!?!
"seeing as she's also being jerked around by her Tarou's pseudo-detective sister - it's better to think of her as gullible." Seems to me like she's getting her just desserts for keeping her true gender hidden and all her own manipulations. She is by no means a gullible, innocent person in any of this, just because another character manages to get the upper hand on her.
"The others know Tarou won't help (one of his faults is that he's trying to shoulder everything alone), so since Ibusuki is the only option (that the cast knows of), she's the go-to gal." I don't understand what that comment has to do with the subject of Ibusuki's character growth, unless you meant for it to be part of another subject.
