Hazure Waku no [Joutai Ijou Skill] de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete o Juurin Suru made - Ch. 73 - Flies Flutter About in the Dark

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IMO it would have worked much better if they made a whole chapter of it and actually showed them doing all their sneaky plan stuff. Actually showing the plan being carried out while we're sitting on the cliffhanger from last chapter would have
landed better than just narrating the whole thing through a flashback.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Because that would have also taken the tension out of the situation. Ofc, we could know that Lise wasn't going to get r8ped, since we are operating in hindsight as a reader, but not knowing exactly what and how things were going to happen would allow us to feel the climatic moment when Touka would arrive and trick them... or at least that's what I expect was going through the author's mind when he wrote this scene :pacman:
 
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I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Because that would have also taken the tension out of the situation. Ofc, we could know that Lise wasn't going to get r8ped, since we are operating in hindsight as a reader, but not knowing exactly what and how things were going to happen would allow us to feel the climatic moment when Touka would arrive and trick them... or at least that's what I expect was going through the author's mind when he wrote this scene :pacman:

The general sense that having this explained "after the fact" would be better is correct, because an important basis of the tension of the chapter comes from Lise's belief (and alongside her the reader's belief) that her allies were being butchered by way of field reports.

She feels the horror of her naive idealism having lead to the death, torture, and more of her comrades whom she's lived and fought alongside for so long—and then that horror is subverted when Touka shows up incognito to reveal it was all a ruse to slaughter the human forces, and "prove" to Lise that however laudable her perspective and values are, the human armies under the Shit Goddess simply cannot be reasoned with in the way she thinks.

If we saw everything happening from the perspective of Touka and the other generals as they went sneaking around and getting the drop on the human forces, none of that tension and sense of danger would actually be present anymore, which would undercut the severity and immensity of Lise's realization of how much danger she (could have) put her friends and allies in.
 
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I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure that's necessarily true. Because that would have also taken the tension out of the situation. Ofc, we could know that Lise wasn't going to get r8ped, since we are operating in hindsight as a reader, but not knowing exactly what and how things were going to happen would allow us to feel the climatic moment when Touka would arrive and trick them... or at least that's what I expect was going through the author's mind when he wrote this scene :pacman:
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If we saw everything happening from the perspective of Touka and the other generals as they went sneaking around and getting the drop on the human forces, none of that tension and sense of danger would actually be present anymore, which would undercut the severity and immensity of Lise's realization of how much danger she (could have) put her friends and allies in.
I get that, but for me, this chapter ALREADY lost it's tension and danger with the quickly narrated flashback. There was no lead up, no hint of it going on (unless I missed something, which is entirely possible). I felt it came across as;
"Oh no! bad things! we lost! ahh!"
"No wait, suddenly the MC fixed it somehow with this convenient flashback".
To me, it came out of nowhere and ended up feeling like a shallow asspull, undermining the aforementioned tension etc. It came across kind of like that annoying "it was all a dream" trope.

I mean, it's only one chapter out of 73 of a manga I'm enjoying, so it's not that big of a deal. I just think it's the weakest chapter so far and feel like it could have been done better.
 
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I get that, but for me, this chapter ALREADY lost it's tension and danger with the quickly narrated flashback. There was no lead up, no hint of it going on (unless I missed something, which is entirely possible). I felt it came across as;
"Oh no! bad things! we lost! ahh!"
"No wait, suddenly the MC fixed it somehow with this convenient flashback".
To me, it came out of nowhere and ended up feeling like a shallow asspull, undermining the aforementioned tension etc. It came across kind of like that annoying "it was all a dream" trope.

I mean, it's only one chapter out of 73 of a manga I'm enjoying, so it's not that big of a deal. I just think it's the weakest chapter so far and feel like it could have been done better.
I mean the moment the no faced messenger I expected to be Touka, which is weird when he make the switch to his Belzegia suit.
and how it happened last chapter, the forces acting like that, felt more like they were planning guerrilla tacticas or hide and seek, not going full confrontation.

pretty much the tension in the fights happens only if the MC is not there in the battlefield, I would add the flashback is more the author glazing the MC than anything, like was there a necessity to make the lesson even approved by her close allies in the general side, at least the Leopard guy was clearly always on Touka's side, like showing himself saying goodbye with his pregnant wife was really on our face that he would fight for them.

I get your critic and accept that it could have been done better, but the results were 100% expected.
 
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That's not a lesson, that's plain retarded, she could have died 6546873 times in the process.

naw, they "hate" non demihumans, but they really wanted to rape the women. He wanted to fuck her throat before he killed her no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT!
 
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Why did LH Translation remove the series from their website? A mistake, or...
EDIT: https://lhtranslation.net/manga/haz...ou-ni-natta-ore-ga-subete-wo-juurin-suru-made is 404, it has been removed from their manga list, and searching shows nothing.
As mentioned in LH Translation's Discord, it's one of 2 mangas they need to hide for now:

tagomisugi [淫修夢道], : Hello. Due to copyright warnings, we've temporarily hidden these series on our website. You can still read them on MangaDex for now.
@All Manga @Nito no Taidana Isekai Shoukougun: Sai Jakushoku "Healer" nano ni Saikyou wa desu ka? @Hazure Waku no Joutai Ijou Skill de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete wo Juurin Suru made
 
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I know they are probably a bit light on security in some ways because they are on the human side and thus aren't expecting a human spy, but it seems like the messenger outfit was a bit too easy to get and too useful.
They believe every human is the same that they all hate demi-humans, it's their goddess doctrine after all.

Also, Everyone saying this is a bad plan, he was literally right there?? Like he was in the middle of the entire enemy as the messenger. She really was only in danger for the time that it took Touko to get there from where he was hiding.
In the novel it was mentioned he almost immediately jumped out to save her and foiling the plan when the spider girl was harmed, but the elf girl held him back. He was not in the middle of the enemy at that time, but yeah she was probably in MC range if she were to be killed.
 
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I thought the basic idea was good, but it was too rushed by having the plan’s execution and then its explanation happen in the same chapter. It would’ve been more effective if the explanation was left for the next chapter.
 
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What the fuck do you mean she's respected for her political prowess? What kind of fucking political prowess did she show at all, outside of being a retard who just walked in completely defenseless against a group armed to the teeth? Literally handed herself on a silver platter, and her only recourse after being captured was "PLEASE, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND I'LL FORGIVE YOU" lmfao this is some cringe ass writing for this mangaka. Furthermore, what kind of dumb fucking plan was this? If that wavy haired dude just decided to pull out a knife and immediately end her life, what were they going to do? Mangaka is trying to portray this as some massive 5Head move, but there were so many things that could have gone wrong that it's a miracle it even did go right at all. And how disorganized are these idiotic humans that one single dude (the MC) was able to fool the entire regiment with his easily discernable lies?
 
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What the fuck do you mean she's respected for her political prowess? What kind of fucking political prowess did she show at all, outside of being a retard who just walked in completely defenseless against a group armed to the teeth? Literally handed herself on a silver platter, and her only recourse after being captured was "PLEASE, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND I'LL FORGIVE YOU" lmfao this is some cringe ass writing for this mangaka. Furthermore, what kind of dumb fucking plan was this? If that wavy haired dude just decided to pull out a knife and immediately end her life, what were they going to do? Mangaka is trying to portray this as some massive 5Head move, but there were so many things that could have gone wrong that it's a miracle it even did go right at all. And how disorganized are these idiotic humans that one single dude (the MC) was able to fool the entire regiment with his easily discernable lies?
As for the humans, I am of the belief this alternate world is in the same universe Discworld, and all humans are fundamentally the same as Disc's people just raised by an evil goddess. As such they all fall victim to gloating, as Sam Vimes accurately points out.

"If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word."
 
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What the fuck do you mean she's respected for her political prowess? What kind of fucking political prowess did she show at all, outside of being a retard who just walked in completely defenseless against a group armed to the teeth? Literally handed herself on a silver platter, and her only recourse after being captured was "PLEASE, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND I'LL FORGIVE YOU" lmfao this is some cringe ass writing for this mangaka. Furthermore, what kind of dumb fucking plan was this? If that wavy haired dude just decided to pull out a knife and immediately end her life, what were they going to do? Mangaka is trying to portray this as some massive 5Head move, but there were so many things that could have gone wrong that it's a miracle it even did go right at all. And how disorganized are these idiotic humans that one single dude (the MC) was able to fool the entire regiment with his easily discernable lies?

the one time we're shown a "goddess-following" human who (in a meta sense) might pose a real threat to Touka—that being John Doe—he is also disparaged by all the other humans who are ostensibly their allies.

every time Touka comes up against an actual human enemy that he has to dispatch, we see them gloat and grandstand and pontificate before he just goes "lol nah" and ends them. It's a recurring theme of the series that most humans are pompous shitbags because the goddess who leads them is a pompous shitbag. So Wavy Hair was absolutely going to gloat about his supposed superiority to nonhumans and rub it in her face, because he like all his compatriots are cruel, demeaning assholes who would just as soon torture and rape their enemies as slaughter them.

And yes, Lise has political prowess, just specifically outside of wartime. The other generals recognize this, and it's why she had the amount of sway within the nonhuman kingdom to force her plan through. She's naive and idealistic because she personally didn't have the sort of experience against humans that some of the others did, and she is headstrong and unwilling to listen to a human telling her that other humans weren't trustworthy.
Her foibles here were countered by the fact that Touka and Geo had a plan and worked around using Lise's plan as a distraction to get the drop on the human army and massacre them in a surprise rout. That's just the author making the MC super smart and super clever, and if it's an indictment on anything, it's on the 'glazing' of the MC as being a badass who can solve even outrageous problems like this—as well as the seemingly near-universal idiocy of the Goddess-lead human faction and their assumptions that they're the smartest people in the room.

This whole story isn't the best writing, but I'd argue this chapter is at least consistent with the story being told, and isn't as egregious as you're alleging here.
 
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It's not a good plan. But this was an author-contrived situation where there was no possible good plan. They created a character who had been pushed into hiding at the "literal" end of the world by supremacists yet believed that talking could solve their issues. It's deluded to a level that wouldn't be resolved with simple words.
A plan that put Lise in serious danger of being raped, btw. Showing the MC is ruthless even with people who will be his allies.
(Still crazy how many people here wanted her to be raped)
 
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A plan that put Lise in serious danger of being raped, btw. Showing the MC is ruthless even with people who will be his allies.
(Still crazy how many people here wanted her to be raped)

the author clearly portrays how humans are scummy creatures after all /s
 

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