Hell Mode ~Yarikomi Suki no Gamer wa Hai Settei no Isekai de Musou Suru~ - Vol. 8 Ch. 49 - Defensive Battle

[Tds-PdV]

FYI, from the LN, I would say that if this series was a game, there is the RTS phase (present) and boss fight/raid phase (where Allen and co. typically fight tooth and nail where quality >>> quantity).
For those that missed the latter, don’t worry it’ll come back later in the arc.

 

[Nunally]

I see... I dont understand

 

[CelticMutt]

Nope, the numbers are right. You can see them in the RAW

https://imgur.com/HQlwW0n

1万 = 10 000
then 100万 = 1,000,000

No, the numbers are right but it SEEMS to be wrong because that's how japanese numbering works, ex. 4 millions (4m) are denoted as 400 man (400万) in japanese, hence the 400 and no, 4M = 400万 so nothing about translator being wrong by one order of magnitude

It's probably units of 万 (10,000) in the arrangements, which is the normal way to count numbers above 10,000 in Japanese.

E.g. 4 million will be written as 400万 (400 * 10,000 = 4 million). Once you hit 100 million (10,000 sets of 10,000) you swap to 億, and at some point I think they just swap to modern western notation.

I see, I was wrong. Which means the author has absolutely no sense of scale.

 

[Haezer]

I need that herb on last page. I can use some good fucking sleep rn

 

[MesaOracle]

Even if MC dies from exhaustion, he will likely just reincarnate in an Otome game as some mob character. No big deal for your average Asian gamer.

 

[IvanDFakkov]

I see, I was wrong. Which means the author has absolutely no sense of scale.

Asian (fictional) warfare is simply built different. We're used to armies of hundreds of thousands in literature, and Japan once had a 1-million-strong army that got completely routed and defeated in '45.
Or you can think of the Eastern Front where casualties were in double-digit million.

 

[piratesgoyarrrr]

Guess he changed game genres from Action Game to RTS/Total War lol

 

[eng1]

Man, does anyone else remember when this series was about a guy surviving by the skin of his teeth, using his summons in clever ways to defeat a small number of powerful foes? I much preferred this when things were small scale.

Yes, I preferred that too. I have no clue how his 1 and 2 star people are so strong when there should be thousands of them on the battlefield. It is outright dumb. Same for his monsters which now became crazy strong despite their class

I would have preferred he enter the battlefield with his friends and taking on no more than 100 monsters at a time and struggle to make achievements

Instead we get a progress log every chapter

 

[Superpeanut]

“I hope Allen is ok…”
meanwhile, at Allen’s battle
“Woo hoo, new high score!”

 

[GridLite]

mc really just decided "you know what's a great molecular structure? spaghettification"

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allen is about to be the god of war's champion lmao

 

[Grikath]

Which means the author has absolutely no sense of scale.

Ya think?
The numbers are utterly ridiculous.. In too many ways to list.

 

[Kaarme]

Asian (fictional) warfare is simply built different. We're used to armies of hundreds of thousands in literature, and Japan once had a 1-million-strong army that got completely routed and defeated in '45.
Or you can think of the Eastern Front where casualties were in double-digit million.

Before the modern times, such huge armies were logistically difficult. Not to mention, how many elves are there in general? Typically elves are depicted as low in numbers because they are immortal or at least have a very, very long lifespan. 300k elven soldiers in a single castle (with more elsewhere) just sounds so wrong. For comparison, 300k is more soldiers than the Romen empire ever had at the same time, in all of its legions combined. It wouldn't surprise me if the Empire of China of old had more, but it feels weird to think of elves to be so numerous.

I have said it before, but the witless numbers in this arc remind me of xianxia. Maybe the author is a fan of Chinese fiction.

 

[IvanDFakkov]

Before the modern times, such huge armies were logistically difficult. Not to mention, how many elves are there in general? Typically elves are depicted as low in numbers because they are immortal or at least have a very, very long lifespan. 300k elven soldiers in a single castle (with more elsewhere) just sounds so wrong. For comparison, 300k is more soldiers than the Romen empire ever had at the same time, in all of its legions combined. It wouldn't surprise me if the Empire of China of old had more, but it feels weird to think of elves to be so numerous.

I have said it before, but the witless numbers in this arc remind me of xianxia. Maybe the author is a fan of Chinese fiction.

For real world, yes. This is a world of magic, they have magic airships and God knows what kind of logistics they can pull. Unless there are more information, just consider it a case of "magic handled logistics".

And yes, China had more. Battle of Changping, which is famous for its subsequent massacre, saw 400k Zhao POWs killed, either beheaded or buried alive. Qin launched 2 nearly continuous invasions into Chu, the first one was 200k and the second was 600k. Now, you can say 2/3 of that number were coolies to carry supplies, but the fact that they were able to launch such massive armies stands. While nowhere near a million, it showed the capability of organizing and maneuvering such forces wasn't unheard of in the Sinosphere.

Btw, huge numbers isn't a recent thing. Romance of Three Kingdoms has massive armies that completely dwarfed their real life counterparts. In Battle of Chibi, Cao Cao had realistically 2-300k at best, but in the novel, he got a whopping 800k combatants (or lost 800k in the battle, I forgot). Making numbers bigger serve 2 main purposes: To show how epic the fights are and to flex the commanders' skills as they could mobilize and command such armies with ease, which means they must be exceptionally talented.

To be honest, pre-industry European wars simply did not operate on the same level as of East Asia.

 

[Kaarme]

To be honest, pre-industry European wars simply did not operate on the same level as of East Asia.

Yean, but ironically this work is more like pseudo-European style sword and sorcery than East Asian style fantasy.

 

[IvanDFakkov]

Yean, but ironically this work is more like pseudo-European style sword and sorcery than East Asian style fantasy.

Isn't that like 95% of isekai? They use a pseudo-European setting with some basic elements and just that. Worldbuilding is not exactly a top priority.

 

[Jet19]

I know there were already a lot of people who said that these numbers are too big but i just want to add that almost every single army ever shown in this arc is already larger than any real medieval force ever. Even the outnumbered elves have such a strong army that they could atleast conquer half of medieval europe without any use of magic or maybe even the entirety of europe

 

[IvanDFakkov]

I know there were already a lot of people who said that these numbers are too big but i just want to add that almost every single army ever shown in this arc is already larger than any real medieval force ever. Even the outnumbered elves have such a strong army that they could atleast conquer half of medieval europe without any use of magic or maybe even the entirety of europe

To be honest, most medieval European "countries" were tiny. Not counting the like of Byzantine, which, over time, also got reduced, the majority of European states of the time were fiefdoms which relied on smaller fiefdoms and their knights, then levies, to fight. The elven kingdom, on the other hand, is the size of a continent and likely has the population to back itself up. It would be like comparing a random European country in high medieval period to fucking Song. The Song dynasty that was so pathetic militarily they got their ass kicked by pretty much every neighbor yet still managed to outlive quite a few and even resisted Mongols for decades. Northern Song in 1120, for example, had around 80-100 million people, and that was 7 years before its downfall. I do not think any conntemporary European country had the same level of manpower.

 

[Jet19]

To be honest, most medieval European "countries" were tiny. Not counting the like of Byzantine, which, over time, also got reduced, the majority of European states of the time were fiefdoms which relied on smaller fiefdoms and their knights, then levies, to fight. The elven kingdom, on the other hand, is the size of a continent and likely has the population to back itself up. It would be like comparing a random European country in high medieval period to fucking Song. The Song dynasty that was so pathetic militarily they got their ass kicked by pretty much every neighbor yet still managed to outlive quite a few and even resisted Mongols for decades. Northern Song in 1120, for example, had around 80-100 million people, and that was 7 years before its downfall. I do not think any conntemporary European country had the same level of manpower.

While that is true to some extent even these chinese dynasties would potentially be outnumbered by the elves (and we shouldnt even start talking about these demons who can easily send armys of more than 1 million soldiers). I dont know how many elves there excatly but i know that 5000 soldiers are a small part of a single attack force which normally wouldnt contain nearly all soldiers the whole kingdom has. Also this whole Planet needs too be much bigger than ours if we really want to count the elven kingdom as a whole continent because the other Island are atleast compareable in size and there were 3 or 4 of them while they still only occupy a small space of the Planet.

 

[KuroDubZero]

Fused the pictures

Spoiler

 

[AnotherDuck]

Seems a bit weird to have only one summon type per side. Feels more like the author's showing off the various kinds of summons with their special abilities than any strategical thought.

I much preferred this when things were small scale.

Stories are usually better at smaller scales. At this point it's just numbers. I mean, other than some attack effect art, we don't get to see the actual battles.

this is true though, nowadays I just ignore the numbers since they can differ so much from chapter to chapter.

Yeah, I've done that since they started with army numbers. Since then it's just numbers go brr.

so nothing about translator being wrong by one order of magnitude

It's just the translator not actually translating to a conventional number for English.

For those that missed the latter, don’t worry it’ll come back later in the arc.

Well, you can't kill the BBEG with common summons. Have to go in close and personal.

I see, I was wrong. Which means the author has absolutely no sense of scale.

It's okay to be wrong when you're the one trying to think with common sense. Sometimes Occam's Razor doesn't work.

To show how epic the fights are and to flex the commanders' skills as they could mobilize and command such armies with ease, which means they must be exceptionally talented.

It's so epic to show that you can add another zero at the end of your army numbers. Let me get my scouter so I can crush it with my hand to show how utterly epic it is.