Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 25 - Before Dawn

[Gustbk]

I found this on twitter and got curious about the story. Totally didn’t expect it to be a betrayal but personally I’m super into it. The writing is nice aside from people feeling baited that this didn’t stick to a generic fluffy romance, I find this direction A LOT more interesting to read.

Fluff is good in moderation, but well done drama is even more enjoyable.

Mind you, it’s still a dick move at least on Aya’s part to never open up about this with her supposed bestie.

 

[Axrod]

Wheres the ntr as far as I see here Yami senpai made her moves on a SINGLE boy and got what she wanted (for a time being). All this outrage about she not being virgin or ntr even, THIS is how it works in real romance as far as im concerned.

Y'all have serious "standard of purity(tm)" case in your head canons that speaks multitude of how most manga readers actually ARE colossal losers that made spineless mc the norm in manga today.

Welcome to the real, real world - where youre betas because you have delusional concept of human emotions upheld by abnormal expectations and measure of yourselves - and absolutely no guts to take what you want by show of dedication and force.

Get fuming virgins.

I love this shit finally something real in romance manga. And if youre saying this is unrealistic im sorry your sexual escapades had been barren thus far in your life.

Damn review bombers.

There is no real ntr but from the readers pov the character we spent 20 chapters with just saw her friend kissing her crush. There is no outrage about yami not being a virgin the outrage is author pulled rug after 20 chaps of fluff.

Calling people colossal losers over a standard they have is kinda ridiculous especially since everyone is entitled to their own opinion about who they want to have a relationship with.

This is not the real world it's a manga that is not even realistic and please don't use betas all that stuff is crap. Are there some people spineless or lack the courage to do stuff absolutely. Nothing else of what you said makes sense because how is being a good person an abnormal expectation.

Cool

It's unrealistic. How many times have u been touched by ur step dad and then decided to sleep with a stranger? How many love hotels have u gone too at 17? How many people have u manipulated because something when wrong in your home life? Yami chooses not to get the help she needs and throws herself at a stranger to feel something this is the behavior of a bad person not a realistic romance. None of what I said has been because my sexual escapades have been barren it's because I'm not bad person.

 

[noleafclover75]

Hold your horses buster.
The story did not go the way you wanted, but that doesn't mean it's badly written.
You, just like a lot of people here is letting your frustations speak first and foremost.
Now, I agree the pacing right now is kinda shit, but the characters are in no way badly written just because they're flawed as people.
The story is pretty much on the make it or break it point, what Hikari is going to do after seeing her best friend kissing the guy she likes is going to set in stone if the mangaka is cooking or not.

Bad pacing is bad writing. I'm not frustrated either, it's just disappointing and sad.

 

[noleafclover75]

I found this on twitter and got curious about the story. Totally didn’t expect it to be a betrayal but personally I’m super into it. The writing is nice aside from people feeling baited that this didn’t stick to a generic fluffy romance, I find this direction A LOT more interesting to read.

Fluff is good in moderation, but well done drama is even more enjoyable.

Mind you, it’s still a dick move at least on Aya’s part to never open up about this with her supposed bestie.

That's the issue though, when did you find it? Where you able to read up to the point of chapter 20 without waiting for 7 to 8 months to get there? Because that's where most people were, and why a huge betrayal was felt by a lot of people. The pace is so slow and they've been into the story for almost a year for this to happen.

 

[Virtualplayer]

Man, I kinda wonder if the whole "hotel no sex - hand holding no sex - leaving w/ no number - sex" dance was intended as rage bait b/c like they end up having sex for the same reasons that motivated the first two attempts.



No, he's less likable b/c he went and had sex w/ a random girl he just met. Even if he didn't like Hikari at the time (and Aya thinks he did), this is not an endearing quality in a romantic male lead.

LOL what? Did you miss the fact that's he's by all intents and evidence a healthy hetero male? And she's a healthy (physically anyway) hetero female?

You can overlay your morals on him, that doesn't make it any less valid an outcome. Put healthy boys and girls together, some sex will occur.

Just be upfront and say you don't like how the plot went, not that he's any less of a character for succumbing to natural biologic imperatives. Sheesh.

 

[awtystic]

I think it's more that people were here for the fluff and the autor whiplashed them. If they wanted a drama, they would have gone elsewhere.

Yea author is in the wrong here for betraying peoples expectations but yk it is what it is
Well it's story like these that goes from light heart wholesomeness to dark sad tragic that makes or breaks the story
Can't wait for 20th to see the next chapter see you next chapter

 

[Virtualplayer]

I wish there was a tracking metric AI that automatically enforced people not adding or being able to read series once they made the comment like "This sux, Imma drop." i.e., the Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is bot. (TM)

This would make the next chapter so much cleaner and have good reasonable discussions about the story, rather than people mindlessly trying to overlay their morals on a fiction story.

We don't care about your morals. The story stands on it's own. Argue the story, not your moral fiber outrage trigger.

 

[fflogschampion]

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For your own sanity, every time you read "realistic" in any discussion about fiction on the internet just interpret it as "I like this."

Realism is a very low bar to clear.

 

[mug3n]

Yea author is in the wrong here for betraying peoples expectations but yk it is what it is
Well it's story like these that goes from light heart wholesomeness to dark sad tragic that makes or breaks the story
Can't wait for 20th to see the next chapter see you next chapter

Oh, I like where this is going, don't get me wrong. I had a similar situation in my youth once, I can relate to having a crush, things not going well and finding another person. The disonance between feelings, mind, hormones and even some guilt is brutal at that age.

But it's understandable the majority doesn't like this given for how long this has been only fluff, I wished the author did a better work conveying the themes beforehand. Now I just hope the author doesn't go gung ho too much with the sad tragic shit, it seems they like their telenovela bullshit for what I read in the comments about past works of them.

 

[Virtualplayer]

There is no outrage about yami not being a virgin the outrage is author pulled rug after 20 chaps of fluff.

On the contrary, many of the earlier comments in this chapter feedback specifically call our the MC's "loss of innocence" thereby DQ'ing him from ever dating the FMC. Smh.

 

[CynicalPepper]

Then why don't you stop reading? This series apparently doesn't meet the expectations of a lot of the people that continue to read each new translated chapter as soon as it comes out. Tanking the ratings out of spite and filling these threads with NTR complaints is a waste of time. I don't see the point in continuing to read something that you feel no attachment to, you have no obligation to the author nor the series. None of you try to bullshit out of this saying "Oh I like reading trash". No one looks smart proudly proclaiming that they eat garbage.

If that isn't you then I genuinely don't see why you're having trouble seeing what's going on with the story. Both parts of the story have been told in "first person" to limit our view of what's going on. For Hikari's arc, she was oblivious (and the reader by proxy) to what was going on with Yuu despite being right next door, ultimately blindsided by her best friend kissing her crush. She fell in love with him "lately", but he's been there all this time, outside of her notice. For Aya's arc, she can't even be honest inside of her own head. It's similar to how flippant she was in Hikari's arc, but she seemed to have mellowed in the future. She was going to prostitute herself before she even had her first time. She was flunking out of a prestigious high school because she wasn't showing up to classes. She pretended to be a grown woman, but it only showed how childish she was. Her backstory under normal circumstances would be sympathetic, but she acts in incredibly unsympathetic ways. Given her nickname is Yami, I don't think her classmates have a high opinion of her either. This chapter is her trying to stay with the guy she just spilled her heart out to, but portraying it, at first, as if he's the one losing out. The way the story is progressing, she probably learns to be more honest with Yuu, though I'm guessing that ends in one more bout of childishness. I'm mostly certain she is intentionally unsympathetic (for now), given how she narrates in this arc, presented coming off the cliffhanger that still isn't resolved. This is also an extension of the stuff Hikari doesn't know, still outside of the time she started noticing Yuu. With this the reader will know how the current Yuu came to be, even though Hikari won't.

The missing part in all of this is Yuu. Despite everyone saying he's in love with Hikari, we haven't actually heard it directly from him. Despite being in both arcs, what we know from him was mostly filtered through Hikari and Aya. I don't think there's gonna be a straight answer for now. The focus right now is Aya, and if people don't want to buy into her that's fine. But if you keep reading despite that, you find something good about this, even if you don't want to admit it earnestly.

My response is, whatever the author was trying to do doesn't work. Quite simply. I can think of a variety of ways they could've shown a lot whilst still in the perspective of the FL without overtly screaming into your face about what was really going on in the background. The reason I'm still sticking around is curiosity. Other than that, I have no attachment to any of these characters as the author, the writer more specifically, had portrayed the story in a way that makes me not really care about what happens next.

Generally, most of my complaints are about the purpose of this arc. "Well, it can make the characters more honest" or something like that but everything has already happened, two of our characters has already gone through their character arcs and the FL having her character arc now is similar to someone barking at a brick wall. The characters have seemingly already decided between each other, there is no where else this could go unless either, somehow, they break it off and the FL somehow fills in the gap (Which isn't exactly the most morally just thing to do as you're essentially exploiting someone's vulnerability) or the main character learns from this and we get a half-assed ending about how she moved on with some random joe shmoe which is a less than satisfactory ending. Or, the devious option where she somehow steals the main character making the FL a heavily hateable protagonist.

So I question what the purpose is here cause my argument doesn't end with me not caring for the characters. Also, in general, "Why are you still reading" or something like is cause-- I'm too far in brother this happens with every train wreck.

 

[Axrod]

For your own sanity, every time you read "realistic" in any discussion about fiction on the internet just interpret it as "I like this."

Realism is a very low bar to clear.

Lol good idea

 

[Virtualplayer]

And what precludes the author from taking a plot or tone turn exactly? That's the really crazy part about all this. Nowhere does it state the author is legally bound to follow Freytag's Pyramid.

Readers who are unhappy have the ability to reach out directly to the author or his publisher and express their Voice of the Customer, understanding the relative irony that most of us here aren't paying clients (we would of course, if valid TL editions were available 'natch).

Understand though that there is a distinct dividing line here in the user base. Some of us like the story, some of you do not. This isn't going to go away, and I for one look forward to more plot twists like this that reflect actual messy flawed human relationships. Maybe he'll toss you a bone and bring this story to a redemptive point. Maybe he won't.

On to the next chapter!

 

[AcidVlad]

the sigma girlboss got the worm

 

[Quonk]

Lmao, this dumpster fire is burning bright! Will continue reading just for the sake of interest cause I'd like to see how much worse it can get

 

[awtystic]

Oh, I like where this is going, don't get me wrong. I had a similar situation in my youth once, I can relate to having a crush, things not going well and finding another person. The disonance between feelings, mind, hormones and even some guilt is brutal at that age.

But it's understandable the majority doesn't like this given for how long this has been only fluff, I wished the author did a better work conveying the themes beforehand. Now I just hope the author doesn't go gung ho too much with the sad tragic shit, it seems they like their telenovela bullshit for what I read in the comments about past works of them.

This manga does well in showing youth first love and all it reminds me of the song bad habits by Steve Lacey yk we all regret not asking out our crushes and I did end in this kinda situation which kinda fuck me up for years

 

[noleafclover75]

My personal thoughts on this manga/web novel and why it's seen such backlash. I'll put my pros and cons here. Remember this is all just opinion, I only speak for myself.

Cons
1. Pacing. The pacing of releases and timeline in the manga is bad. If your going to do bi-weekly releases you need more than 4-7 pages. You can not get enough information across in that time frame in a timely manner to get the audience ready for sudden tonal shifts. It took 7-8 months with bad foreshadowing. In 8 months you got 93 pages of story before the tonal shift. That's so little for such a long time and that made people invested into a manga with a genre they weren't expecting.

2. Story. I actually think the story is not that bad. In fact if this had been paced correctly and we got say 10-12 pages every other week, then I think there could be something really good here. But pacing is an integral part to writing a story and the author and artist just completely missed the mark for people who are reading the story at the current pace.

3. Underdeveloped characters. The characters are forgettable at the current pace of releases. I see nothing special with any of these characters except for the artwork which is great. If you are going to give small bites of story then the characters also not going to have time to develop. At that point it's nice for like a small romcom, but a drama doesn't feel right with so little backstory. It feels forced when exposition is given so little time.

Pros
1. Story. I know what you're thinking, but isn't the story a con. Yes at its current pacing it is. I think this story has so much potential but it's being squandered by time. I think this story will read much better in volumes than as chapters. I wish they would have gone that route, condense the chapters together and form a more cohesive story that someone can read in longer chunks. I think it will be much more enjoyable.

2. Art. It goes without saying but the art is wonderful. Not much more to say on that.

3. It's not NTR. The folks who have been screaming ntr are just plain wrong. This is not NTR in any sense of the form. Yomi's motivations are awful but she wasn't stealing anyone away from anyone. She acted on the mmc insecurities which makes her an awful person, but there was no stealing of anything here. Hikari didn't even know he liked her that way.

Overall I think it deserves a low score currently because of how badly paced it is. However I think after it's released in volumes, it will read better. But I also think the volumes will suffer from pacing because of the original pacing. But it won't suffer enough to not be enjoyable as a volume.

Lots of wasted potential.

 

[Quern]

Author thinks he's cooking but he's merely committing arson

 

[fflogschampion]

Lots of wasted potential.

^

 

[NickieTheFool]

I stand by everything I've said in the note, and will not back paddle

You've got guts and conviction bud, I'll give you that. Good luck with surviving!