Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 26.5 - My Happy Date ("Wholesome" Version)

[peortega1]

Dude, Marin is the classic "pure gyaru" - they get together in like the last 20% of a 100+ chapter manga - after they've supported each other in cosplay/hina dolls, they've met each others family and his grandpa has basically adopted her, she's helped him work through his insecurities by talking it out
- at which point the manga shows like 1 heavy make out session. I think Marin/Gojou is basically couple goals.

Yes, definitely you have reading comprehension problems, your list ommits all the attempts of Marin to "bind with my body" to Gojo and how she literally cries because she believes if Gojo doesn´t want have sex with her, it´s because "Gojo doesn´t love me" (chapter 75). Sounds familiar, true?
Marin is a much notorious case of a female character who confunds very easily love with sex and thinks love it´s impossible without sex. This is the reason why after that "heave make out session", Marin returns to be upset when Gojo tries to deny have sex with her in the same way Yuu makes with Yami in this chapter.
Anyway, you will be fun with the fact in Shikimori-san, the male MC doesn´t meet the family of his girlfriend until chapter 65 (after the ending of the anime and the first kiss of the couple, for not mention the attempt of Shikimori to have sex with Izumi in chapter 23 of the manga, who was censored in anime adaptation). All this after the FMC met the parents of Yuu a little after his confession and start to be a couple.
And the sexual attitudes you saw in Ayami are a direct inheritance from Ai Kamiya, the blue-haired second FMC. She acts with Izumi exactly like Yami did with Yuu in chapters 22 and 23, and all this knowing he is in love with other girl who is his girlfriend. Kamiya is both the cool older girl and the sexy flirtatious love interest. Also, I am very secure we will see Yami meeting Yuu parents in the future PoV arc of Yuu or at least he proposing to her meet his parents. Or Yuu mother talking with Hikari about Ayami and how Ayami affected Yuu in a scene in Hikari PoV.
And probably in the same way who happened in Shikimori: Yuu parents force him to talk about his relationship with the girl he dated so many times, Yuu Izumi parents noticed these several hook-ups without he didn´t say nothing to them, and securely Takamura parents noticed the same, considering how Hikari describes them, would be very strange Yuu Takamura managed to get all those dates with Ayami and his parents never said nothing about it.
And again, a thing is "my parents know I have a girlfriend and that girl is not Hikari" and other very different is "my parents know that girlfriend had sex with me in love hotels being minors, a thing who can make end both us in jail or at least in problems with the police".

Not really b/c he lets her leave it at "I'll keep being your convienant woman", then she's the one who follows up/ w. the contact exchange

Because, again, he is shy and timid even when is very obvious he wants being the official boyfriend of Ayami already in this point. Again, you doesn´t understand the dynamics of this relationship, even precisely when several of those H you mentioned doesn´t neccesarily have a formal fully confirmation of the relationship. This reinforces to Yami in the idea of "he loves me but he is a passive coward, so, I can manage this relationship in the terms I want". This is the reason why they call mutually "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" in chapter 28 in the beach hotel.

It gives the vibe that he's a nice guy who's gonna do what she wants to b/c he thinks he owes it to her - the bind w/ body.

Or it gives the vibe he is a nice guy who is so in love with Yami that is precisely the reason why he will do anything she wants to do it. Ayami sees to herself how who knows the real Yuu and what things he looks in a girlfriend, and thinks -and with reason- those are the things who allows her dominating and conquering him in a way Hikari never did and won´t it in the future. Aya is the real soulmate of Yuu, who is really compatible with him, not the passive Hikari.
This is other theme inherited of Shikimori, how both Kamiya and Shikimori for her dominant personalities, are the only real soulmates of Izumi and who can be really compatible with him and work in a relationship with him. This aligns with Izumi praying for "a girl who protects me" in his flashblack in middle school... exactly the same thing Takamura thought when he met Yami for first time. He felt Ayami protected him.
And yes, this is also a hint about both Kamiya and Shikimori coming from dysfunctional families. Maruto only needed add the abusive rapist step-father to explain why his version of Kamiya jumped so ridicuously fast over the pants of Yuu, in the other things, Ayami background is basically the same background of Kamiya -including being the cool idol of the school admired by everyone but without real friends able to see behind her mask-

I think Aya is insecure about her feelings b/c she's heard all the reasons why Yuu likes Hikari and knows she's nothing like Hikari and Yuu hasn't done the same for her.

Yes, that it´s the point. Is very obvious, how Yami describes her relationship with Yuu, he really did all that, he really praised her and he said why he likes her.
Ayami is secure about Yuu loving her and he really has scenes -and we will get more scenes of this kind in his PoV- saying whose things he likes from her. Her fear is not that. The fear of Aya is being the "plan B", being the "replacement" of Hikari, being not enough to overcome Hikari before Yuu´s eyes and make him forget Hikari for complete.
She is secure Yuu loves her, but she fears being only the "second girlfriend" or the "replacement" of Hikari. She wanted be the number one and exclusive lover of Yuu. And she almost suceeds in these plans, the scene of Yuu declaring PUBLICLY his love to Aya in the train station -again- proves it.
Is the same sensation Hikari feels now, this is the revenge of Yami over her. The same sensation of "he loves me, but he loves too Aya-chan". The "accidental two-timing" mentioned by Seki.

 

[peortega1]

Each day it´s more canon this boy is the original Yuu Takamura:

 

[GennArc]

So your claim is basically it's half subjunctive. That "As long as you are asking, I would go" includes a past where Yuu has asked her out and she has gone. If that were true, presumably Yuu would know from all the previous times he's asked her out and she's gone. So why is Aya saying he doesn't know anything and that there's no way she would turn down an invitation?

She says that because he's been consistently misinterpreting reasons for her decisions. The first "he doesn't know anything" happens back in ch. 26, where he asks if she wants to go somewhere and she says she is fine like this - and he likely thinks she is being lazy (as proven by his "You're the laziest person alive" in 28, which she refutes internally by saying that the reason she doesn't want to go for dinner is because she can't waste her time on anything besides him). And in that case it was the same - he thinks she might refuse because it's in her style to hate crowds or heat, but she says there's no way she'd turn him down.

Then they'd draw a fireworks scene, but also Aya's thought bubble for that scene specifically is "when I can be just a normal girl, no matter if it's going shopping or going on dates, I'd love to do it all"

They drew a festival scene, which is exactly what Yuu was talking about. As for the second thing, what's your point?

I think roughly there are two types of dating - for love and for companionship.

Do you think "being in it for sex/because she is convenient" suits the "good-hearted and honest" + naive characteristic she is giving him? Don't forget she also says later that him and Hikari are similar.

Aya being written fundementally differently than she's been written.

Okay, so there's absolutely no way for you to be convinced that she didn't think he was in it just for sex?

I'm just saying that she's doing it because he isnt. It's coming after Yuu said he didn't want this to be a whim/casual but didn't take the next step of asking for her number so that he could continue this relationship.

And I'm saying she did it because she intended to from the start, not as a reaction, and it's consistent with the previous chapter.

 

[story645]

They drew a festival scene, which is exactly what Yuu was talking about.

No, the middle panel is an everyday scene - there's nothing like a yukata or festival booth or booth prize in the background to indicate a festival. https://mangadex.org/chapter/b3f1db8c-5c68-478a-a33e-5dc665380ab0/5

That "shopping and dates" is what she thinks normal girls do in relationships - something she would do if she was normal.

he thinks she might refuse because it's in her style to hate crowds or heat, but she says there's no way she'd turn him down.

Which is my point - if Yuu had been asking her out on 'normal dates' with heat and crowds - cafes, amusement parks, shopping, (the things he did w/ Hikari) - then he would already know this about her.

Do you think "being in it for sex/because she is convenient" suits the "good-hearted and honest" + naive characteristic she is giving him?

Yes? Aya's whole playgirl act is about convincing Yuu that she's in it for companionship and she thinks Yuu is reciprocating what she's saying she wants. That's why she doesn't get honest with him when he thinks she's joking about being in love w/ him or moving in w/ him.

This is also more or less the thought process we see from Yuu - we're two people finding comfort in each other, Haru's takeaway that the relationship was about "wound licking". I think Yuu is crying when Aya walks away in 40 b/c that's when it really hits him that she loves/loved him.

And I'm saying she did it because she intended to from the start, not as a reaction, and it's consistent with the previous chapter.

Aya wishing Yuu would ask is also consistent with the previous chapter, where she has a whole mini-spiral over him not asking:

Yuu didn't ask mine.
He didn't even try to ask.

But it's probably just because he's sleepy and not thinking straight.

Maybe he'll realize it later, once he's on the train.
Or when he gets home, after catching up on sleep.
Maybe he'll regret not getting my number then.

...Or maybe he won't.
Maybe he won't even think about it at all.
He might just move on like nothing happened, like it's no big deal.

Aya would not be rationalizing why he didn't ask her if she wasn't hoping he would. Which I think this is another play on the theme of "reaching out" - Yuu said that he didn't want casual but didn't commit w/ contact, said he loved Aya but then from Aya's POV didn't look for her.

Okay, so there's absolutely no way for you to be convinced that she didn't think he was in it just for sex?

Companionship, and I think it's more complicated than that. That a lot of Aya's characterization is her internal fight between her cynical (he's with me for companionship) side and her naive (he's with me cause he loves me) side, as externalized in the fight with Hikari. I think she ghosts him b/c she's listening to her cynical side, and that a good chunk of her relationship with Hikari is that Hikari understands her naive side. That's why it's Hikari who is asserting "there was affection"

 

[story645]

and how she literally cries because she believes if Gojo doesn´t want have sex with her,

This is 30+ chapters before he confesses in 107, so of course she's insecure about his romantic attraction to her - they're not in any way shape or form a couple yet. This also gets resolved by them talking out their feelings in 107.

Which also this example actively disproves that Marin is trying to "bind w/ her body" b/c she's explicitly waiting for him to initiate rather than initiating herself.

This reinforces to Yami in the idea of "he loves me but he is a passive coward, so, I can manage this relationship in the terms I want"

Yami never explicitly thinks Yuu loves her - pretty much all her thoughts are of how Yuu makes her feel or that he's nice to her or a good guy. It's actually kind of glaring that she never even teases him w/ a "you just love me so much" type comment, when that would totally fit w/ her persona.

including being the cool idol of the school admired by everyone but without real friends able to see behind her mask-

Aya isn't admired, she's the outcast w/ bad rumors swirling who girls like Haru and Yuki would never be friends with. And Aya's middle school friend seems like she sees straight through Aya's mask.

Which you keep going on about this being a dom/sub type relationship, but every single romance where the girl has the dominant flirty attitude (Anjou, Akutsuki-san, hell even the gag manga that is "the girls in my class treat me like air") have the guy explicitly initiate something once in a while to show that they're not just going w/ the flow. Shoujo romance w/ dominant guys is the same - there's always at least one scene of the girl initiating to show she really wants it. Which my guess is that if Maruto gets to an Aya/Yuu endgame, it's gonna include Yuu explicitly telling Aya that he's in love w/ her. B/c Hikari knew that Aya needed to hear those words.

he really did all that, he really praised her and he said why he likes her.

Where?

The fear of Aya is being the "plan B", being the "replacement" of Hikari, being not enough to overcome Hikari before Yuu´s eyes and make him forget Hikari for complete.

Yeah man, that's insecurity. That's precisely Yuu not doing the things she needs to understand that she's now his first choice.

The scene of Yuu declaring PUBLICLY his love to Aya in the train station

Which chapter does he do this in?

 

[peortega1]

This is 30+ chapters before he confesses in 107, so of course she's insecure about his romantic attraction to her - they're not in any way shape or form a couple yet. This also gets resolved by them talking out their feelings in 107.

Yes, that's the point. Marin's insecurity about Gojo's romantic attraction to her stems specifically from his refusal to have sex with her. For her, "love" and "sex" are synonymous and equivalent; one cannot exist without the other. Not even Yami reached that level of hypersexuality.

Which also this example actively disproves that Marin is trying to "bind w/ her body" b/c she's explicitly waiting for him to initiate rather than initiating herself.

Marin explicitly considered taking the initiative, but ultimately didn't because of cowardice and fear, not because she didn't want to "bind Gojo with my body". And anyway, she makes it quite clear that if Gojo had wanted to have sex with her and had taken the initiative in this way, even without any romantic declaration, she would have agreed, thinking that in doing so, she was also binding him with her body in a romantic way.

Yami never explicitly thinks Yuu loves her - pretty much all her thoughts are of how Yuu makes her feel or that he's nice to her or a good guy

BS, here we going again. I leave this to you @GennArc, I´m tired.

It's actually kind of glaring that she never even teases him w/ a "you just love me so much" type comment, when that would totally fit w/ her persona.

No, it's not compatible with her personality. Yami isn't a saccharine romantic like Hikari or even Yuki. That's why Maruto called her a tsundere, and that's why even Yuu is surprised when she says "I love you, Yuu" in chapter 27, even though he knows it's part of how she's teasing him.
Yami undoubtedly has a tender and romantic side, but she doesn't express it so directly.

Aya isn't admired, she's the outcast w/ bad rumors swirling who girls like Haru and Yuki would never be friends with. And Aya's middle school friend seems like she sees straight through Aya's mask.

I'm referring to her past in middle school. Both Ayami and her friend describe her as someone admired and loved by everyone, but distant and cold. That's precisely what Yuzuka criticizes Yami for. This is Kamiya's exact backstory in Shikimori-san. If Yuzuka were truly able to see through Ayami's mask, for start, she wouldn't call her by the surname of the stepfather she hates. She manages to infer some things, but Yuzuka doesn't really connect with her the way Yuu and Hikari do relatively quickly. Especially Yuu, who fastily realizes that Ayami doesn't want to be called by her abusive stepfather's surname in chapter 22 during their first encounter.
The same way Izumi and Nekozaki manage to connect with Kamiya in Shikimori-san.
Anyway, I highly doubt that Yuki and especially Haru would have been friends with the original Ayami before the attempted abuse. To put it simply, they are very different from Yuzuka.
To draw a parallel, Shikimori would never have wanted to even talk to Kamiya, despite having a mutual friend with her -Nekozaki-, were it not for Kamiya's... friendship with Shikimori's boyfriend.

Which you keep going on about this being a dom/sub type relationship, but every single romance where the girl has the dominant flirty attitude (Anjou, Akutsuki-san, hell even the gag manga that is "the girls in my class treat me like air") have the guy explicitly initiate something once in a while to show that they're not just going w/ the flow.

Yes, @GennArc and I compiled a significant list of scenes, including this chapter 26.5, where Yuu does exactly this and takes the initiative from time to time. And this doesn't even include the things that—as far as we know—Yami didn't perceive from her point of view, like Yuu looking for her after ghosting her in September of their first year of high school—although I still think, and it's hinted at, that "why do you always find me, Yuu?" implies that he did manage to find her at least once during those visits to her school, and that she hid on purpose so he wouldn't see her.
Not to mention what's still to be narrated, I wouldn't rule out that there was a formal confession from Yuu to Yami sometime after chapter 25 or 26 (but before chapter 27), and that's why she calls him "my boyfriend" in chapter 28. It would fit with the manga we've mentioned—another example is Dangers in My Heart, in case you forgot.

Which my guess is that if Maruto gets to an Aya/Yuu endgame, it's gonna include Yuu explicitly telling Aya that he's in love w/ her

Again:

Ayami: "Study hard, play sports, dream big, fall in love..."
Yuu: "I already did that last one."
Ayami: "Oh? With who?"
Yuu: "You, obviously! Are you seriously asking me that now?"
Ayami: "...Pfft, hahaha!"
Thank you, Yuu.
I'll carry that moment with me to the grave.
Ayami: "Bye, then."

Again, in PUBLIC, with the things whom this imply in Japanese culture.

B/c Hikari knew that Aya needed to hear those words.

Hikari didn´t know it, because Hikari knows Ayami is lying purposefully and Ayami is precisely the person who knows better than anyone Yuu never would have sex if he didn´t feel something for her, how was literally and physically proved in chapter 24. In fact, will be fun if Hikari will discover someday until what point she was literally right about Yuu being physically unable to have sex with a girl he doesn´t loves.
Definitely that "failure" was not there in the "detailed erotic stories of Aya-chan".

Where?

We gave you a long list of examples in previous posts.

Yeah man, that's insecurity. That's precisely Yuu not doing the things she needs to understand that she's now his first choice.

Which is still very different from "he doesn't love me". At most, it would be "Yuu loves me, but he loves Hikari more." That's why the love confession scene at the train station is so important and symbolizes Ayami's total and absolute victory, the moment when she managed to become Yuu's first choice... literally five minutes before the final collapse of the relationship, solely and exclusively her fault. And she knows it, and that's why she feels so guilty and tormented in chapter 30 and beyond.
But yes, in this, I do at least partially blame Yuu. He didn't manage, or at least not completely, to make Yami feel that she was his first and only love, and he never quite managed to shake off that feeling of being "plan B," the "you're with me because Hikari friendzoned you".
And it's this lingering fear that causes her mental breakdown in chapter 40 when she sees Yuu actually leaving the classroom to go find Hikari.

Which chapter does he do this in?

Chapter 29. Again, these are their last words as boyfriend and girlfriend.