Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 26.5 - My Happy Date ("Wholesome" Version)

[Takuma_Aki]

So what's the non-wholesome version?

Ah, I see. This is Imasara's R18 fanbox bait debut isn't it.

Not gonna complain one bit if its gonna be drawn by Yom.

 

[Rafalga]

Chapters like these are funny because if it started like this, slop addicts would be dunking on Hikari instead as soon as she was introduced lol.

 

[Kese04]

Absolutely best girl.

 

[Kaito57]

It would be indeed wholesome if we didn't already knew what we know about that homewrecking thot...

 

[Panino]

So what's the non-wholesome version?

Ah, I see. This is Imasara's R18 fanbox bait debut isn't it.

She didn't want to see a movie, she preferred to stay at the hotel and have sex.
She could do BOTH.
Only in this Universe and ONLY in this one Universe she was just lying there without sucking him.

 

[GennArc]

Outside of like (really bad) hentai, girls typically want reassurance that a guy is w/ them for more than sex, hell even smut geared at women will make sure to have a few explicit "guy showing he cares about her as a person" events after they've started hooking up.

The reason I think Yuu didn't get that across to Aya is b/c I don't think 41 falls out the way it did if Aya is totally secure in Yuu's feelings for her.

I am not sure how this correlates with the chapter where Yuu is explicitly trying to get Yami to watch a movie instead of going to the hotel. I thought this should be a surefire way to prove that Yami wasn't worried about that, but apparently not.

There's no reason to have the short chapter with her middle school friend picking up the red flags

I think that's just the aspect you singled out from that chapter because it supported your idea. Pretty sure the reason for that chapter was to show Yami's old friend and Yami herself being so happy about her relationship that she basically stopped caring about everything else, and her friend mentioning the relationship ending is just a little foreshadowing.

 

[Valle_reading_manga]

"wholesome version"
Amazing to think how this developed from the initial chapters to needing such tags now. On a chapter titled "My happy date", no less

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Thanks for the upload!

 

[story645]

where Yuu is explicitly trying to get Yami to watch a movie instead of going to the hotel.

They only went b/c she suggested it, then he says it'd be a waste of money not to. There's no "hey, I want to enjoy this activity with you".

ETA: also I feel like I should be clearer here. I agree w/ you that Aya enjoys the physical intimacy w/ Yuu, I just think it's coming from a psychologically unhealthy place where she's doing it b/c she feels it's how she can "bind" Yuu, but the one sidedness leaves her feeling insecure in the relationship. Which is why her daydream/complaint is the lack of proactive on his side romantic/emotional bonding - reach out your hand.

Which, we get Yuu telling Hikari/Aya/the reader how amazing he thinks Hikari is in his confession/intro to Aya/POV chapters. Where does Yuu do that for Aya?

and her friend mentioning the relationship ending is just a little foreshadowing.

It can't be foreshadowing since the readers knows the relationship is doomed by the time that chapter comes out. And also foreshadowing still needs to be rooted within the context of the story - there has to be a reason why a character makes a prediction.
Which means Maruto is trying to convey that this friend is picking it up from the Aya she's seeing in that chapter, where Aya is being down on herself (someone like me) & having impossible expectations (he's all I need).

 

[GennArc]

They only went b/c she suggested it, then he says it'd be a waste of money not to. There's no "hey, I want to enjoy this activity with you".

How does it even work? She thinks he only wants sex, but when he refuses to go have sex, it's only because he paid for tickets, i.e. he actually wants sex but is so greedy that 2000 yen for movie tickets are more valuable than sex?

I agree w/ you that Aya enjoys the physical intimacy w/ Yuu

No, that's not my point. My point is that she doesn't need to do social rituals AKA "normal couples stuff", as in going to cinemas, aquariums, shopping etc., she is fine with just spending time together with him which may or may not include physical intimacy, though she clearly does enjoy it. Yet you seem to think that she was very upset with him not inviting her for those social rituals.

Which is why her daydream/complaint is the lack of proactive on his side

Even though this specific chapter does include proactiveness on his side, you just ignore it and keep on going.
Like even the way you insist she suggested it is funny. He only says "you said you wanted to go watch a movie" and you jump to a conclusion that she was the one proactive here - but clearly it's him who organized the movie date (that's why he's the one who bought tickets), and from how it played out it's most likely him who tried to invite her out again, asking where she'd like to go (same as in 26), then she said maybe let's go watch a movie and he prepared everything.

Which, we get Yuu telling Hikari/Aya/the reader how amazing he thinks Hikari is in his confession/intro to Aya/POV chapters. Where does Yuu do that for Aya?

Where was he supposed to? Should he be telling that to Hikari? Or to Haru and Yuki?

there has to be a reason why a character makes a prediction.
Which means Maruto is trying to convey that this friend is picking it up from the Aya she's seeing in that chapter, where Aya is being down on herself (someone like me) & having impossible expectations (he's all I need).

And how is that a "red flag that tells that the relationship is doomed"?
Btw orange is not what she says.

 

[story645]

, it's only because he paid for tickets, i.e. he actually wants sex but is so greedy that 2000 yen for movie tickets are more valuable than sex?

Aya says don't worry about the money, which implies either Aya paid or would cover it - but the issue here is that he's behaving like he's insisting on following through on her plan rather than that he really wants to just spend some time w/ her w/o fooling around being part of the equation.

Yet you seem to think that she was very upset with him not inviting her for those social rituals.

I think she was resentful b/c it didn't fit her more idealistic notions for a romantic relationship. The reason I think she was resentful was b/c

Spoiler

a year later she's holding on to the idea that Yuu doesn't reach out his hand, which is the same metaphor she(Maruto/Yom) uses in the break up chapter with imagery of normal dates - use of the same language/metaphor traditionally means the things are related. A year later she's yelling at him about it, which means she's resentful b/c things folks are truly perfectly fine w/ don't turn into things they yell about a year later.

ETA: But also we should stop this argument b/c we're both very dug in on our positions. I think that Maruto is writing a realistic characterization of Aya where he's showing the

Spoiler

fissures and resentments

that build up to the events in 39-41.

Should he be telling that to Hikari? Or to Haru and Yuki?

How about Aya? Maybe the reader?

"red flag that tells that the relationship is doomed"?
Btw orange is not what she says.

B/c having impossible expectations for a relationship makes it impossible for the other person to satisfy them. That breeds resentment, the kind a person holds on to. Which:

Yami: "As long as I have him with me — that’s more than enough."

is still an unrealistic expectation to put on Yuu. No one person can be more than enough.

 

[rideforthebrand]

So is there another version of this or not?

 

[GennArc]

Aya says don't worry about the money, which implies either Aya paid or would cover it - but the issue here is that he's behaving like he's insisting on following through on her plan rather than that he really wants to just spend some time w/ her w/o fooling around being part of the equation.

But what about sex that he is supposed to be craving yet chooses watching a movie over? I thought this was supposed to be worrying her according to you.

I think she was resentful b/c it didn't fit her more idealistic notions for a romantic relationship.

What is "it"?
I'm not sure why you're being so stubborn about it. Your old idea was something like this:
"After one half-assed atttempt to invite her out he gave up, which in her head meant he wasn't pursuing a romantic relationship"
and you keep bringing up that "reaching out your hand" to prove it.
Now we see that he actually did invite her out more and it was her who didn't care much about those social rituals. However, your old position still holds even when the foundation it stood upon is proven wrong. That's why I asked, what should even convince you that you were wrong about it?

How about Aya? Maybe the reader?

I'd say their way of communication is not about praising each other openly but rather about playful jabs. She teases him, he teases her. It's normal to have different communication styles with different people.
As for the reader, the only time we ever had his thoughts is in that short POV volume which was more about reminiscing about the heartbreak than about the relationship overall.

B/c having impossible expectations for a relationship makes it impossible for the other person to satisfy them. That breeds resentment, the kind a person holds on to.

So did the relationship break because of not meeting the expectations? And it didn't have anything to do with her mother's attempted suicide?

is still an unrealistic expectation to put on Yuu. No one person can be more than enough.

Why not?

So is there another version of this or not?

There is a continuation but it's still "wholesome"

 

[Othymit]

Keeping her mouth busy with something else

 

[story645]

However, your old position still holds even when the foundation it stood upon is proven wrong.

I don't think this maybe canon episode disproved my argument. Aya suggested the movie so it's not clear that Yuu had invited her vs it being a plan they made together (like the beach) & Yuu's words and attitude here is "it's paid and planned for so we're going", not "hey, I really want to spend time w/ you out of bed".

It's normal to have different communication styles with different people.

Aya thinks he's in love w/ Hikari b/c of how he talks about Hikari, so no I think it's actually a problem for Aya that he never talks that way about Aya.

Which the POV being about the heart break doesn't mean Maruto couldn't have slipped in a line about how amazing Yuu thinks Aya is.

And it didn't have anything to do with her mother's attempted suicide?

We've had this argument a million times, but yeah I'm w/ Aya's friend that the relationship was always doomed & her mother's suicide attempt maybe accelerated it b/c Aya didn't feel secure enough in the relationship to bring the family drama to Yuu.

Why not?

B/c it's wildly unfair to your partner to expect them to fill all your needs. It gives no space to mess up or not be perfect, every communication failure is magnified, every misstep seen as a grand slight - which is also why it's impossible. It's how you get to Aya's laundry list of resentments where she knows she's being unfair but she still has them b/c what's needed to fulfill "more than enough" always grows, especially if there's nothing or no one else to fill some needs.

 

[GennArc]

I don't think this maybe canon episode disproved my argument. Aya suggested the movie so it's not clear that Yuu had invited her vs it being a plan they made together (like the beach)

He bought the tickets, so I'd say it's pretty clear who organized it. And she is the one who ends up unwilling to go.

Yuu's words and attitude here is "it's paid and planned for so we're going", not "hey, I really want to spend time w/ you out of bed".

Yuu's attitude directly speaks of him prioritizing watching a movie over going to the hotel. So either she thinks he is so so so greedy that he values 2000 yen over sex or there is a flaw in your logic.

Aya thinks he's in love w/ Hikari b/c of how he talks about Hikari

Could it be she thinks he was in love with Hikari because, you know, he tells her about that in chapter 24?

We've had this argument a million times, but yeah I'm w/ Aya's friend that the relationship was always doomed & her mother's suicide attempt maybe accelerated it

Okay, with this let's agree to disagree. There's no way for either of us to prove it or disprove it, at least so far, and this is all about the mental image.

B/c it's wildly unfair to your partner to expect them to fill all your needs.

What if you know all your needs, they aren't much and you do not "expect" anything from the partner, they already hit all the marks?

 

[story645]

He bought the tickets, so I'd say it's pretty clear who organized it. And she is the one who ends up unwilling to go.

It very specifically does not say who bought the tickets, just that he's concerned about the costs. The Russian translation even has Aya say something like "with me, you don't have to worry about money" in response. Which a quick google, that's roughly $30-$60, which is a reasonable amount for a poor student to be concerned about regardless of who paid.

Aya suggested the beach & then decided she wanted to stay indoors. Aya apparently suggested the manga cafe and then decided she wanted to cuddle.

So either she thinks he is so so so greedy that he values 2000 yen over sex or there is a flaw in your logic.

Maybe you're reading me in bad faith? She could also think that he's insisting that they see the date through b/c they're at the theatre and they've paid for the tickets - sunk cost fallacy of time and money.

Could it be she thinks he was in love with Hikari because, you know, he tells her about that in chapter 24?

Thinks is in love, present tense, in 13.5:

Yes, I'm the only one who can guarantee that.
I'm the only one who's ever heard him talk endlesslyabout his feelings for his childhood friend.
There's no way it could be anyone else.

99.9% certainty, it's Hikari.
The chance it's not? Not even 0.1%.

What if you know all your needs, they aren't much and you do not "expect" anything from the partner, they already hit all the marks?

Needs change over time in unexpected ways - Aya initiated the relationship intending to corrupt Yuu, shifted to wound licking, then very quickly into infatuation, ramps up into being desperately in love, then wanting to move in together. Which Aya expecting Yuu to hit all the marks is why she's so crushed when he doesn't take her "let's move in together" seriously & why she instantly pulls back into "pretending to be the lazy, carefree girl who lives for the moment".

Which yeah that "pretending" shapes my perception of Aya's interactions with Yuu. If it was her default state, she wouldn't call it pretending. And if Yuu was actually more than enough, she wouldn't feel the need to pretend.

ETA: also I think the Russian (which I think is MTL) translation is a little clearer in showing the expectation problem: Aya roughly says "I can spit on everyone (tell the world f**k off ) while I have him", which I think is a bit more in line w/ her thinking of him as her savior, which holds up until he won't take her away from her house by moving in w/ her.

 

[GennArc]

It very specifically does not say who bought the tickets, just that he's concerned about the costs.

She says "I can make it up to you", which indicates him buying the tickets.

Maybe you're reading me in bad faith? She could also think that he's insisting that they see the date through b/c they're at the theatre and they've paid for the tickets - sunk cost fallacy of time and money.

That's exactly why I said 2000 yen - which is an average movie ticket cost. So does she think he is that greedy that he values those 2000 yen and, okay, some 30 minutes of time over sex?

Thinks is in love, present tense, in 13.5:

Did she talk to him in 13.5, heard him praise Hikari and came to that conclusion?
It's a year after the break-up, and he did tell her he was in love with Hikari back in 24. She is simply basing it on that old knowledge.

ETA: also I think the Russian (which I think is MTL) translation is a little clearer in showing the expectation problem: Aya roughly says "I can spit on everyone (I don't care about anything/give a damn) while I have him", which I think is a bit more in line w/ her thinking of him as her savior

Here is the Japanese text

• でも、いいんだ… (page 4 last panel for context)
• あたしはもう
• ——がいればそれでいいんだ

"——" likely stands for Yuu's name, but Yuzuka couldn't hear it.
There's nothing resembling "I don't give a damn" here (which, btw, kinda indicates that is not MTL).

which holds up until he won't take her away from her house by moving in w/ her.

I think you're missing a bit of a context here: she doesn't want him to take her away from her house, she says this already knowing about her mother's suicide attempt.

 

[HYBRID_BEING]

@EijiRin
Haven't seen raws, but I feel like like second to last text bubble should have "my mouth", not "your mouth", as it have to be Yami's line.