Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 30 - Fireworks

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The overwhelming flood of continual negative reviews says otherwise.
Sorry, but arguments ad populum don't work on me.
And it would be one thing if the score went down and the amount of discussion quickly declined after the twist but that's not the case.
you can still enjoy it but people enjoy badly done shit all the time, doesn’t mean it’s not flawed or poorly executed. Hell even very successful products have flaws and failings but you shouldn’t overlook the fact that those mistakes exist.
Look, it's not the first time someone tries to play the "unbiased and condescending" role. "Sometimes I enjoy stories that are badly written" (so when I call this bad writing that means it's bad writing) - this thing doesn't work either.
 
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I don’t understand what happened, but if she still loved him why did she leave? Idk and I will never understand women. 😔
Ayami was in a troubled family. She forces her father's divorce since his cheating is hurting her mom but her mother turns on Ayami. She doesn't feel deserving of love due to the abusive nature of her mom. Her mother wants all of Yami's attention so Yami decides to embrace the toxic relationship to keep her mom happy. This breaks her so she doesn't feel worthy of anything else. She needs proper therapy to know that she deserved Yuu's love.
 
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Jesus christ I didn't really mind the arc but I really really dislike her after seeing her ghost him with zero explanation and then run into him and try to get him back when he's already shown signs of moving on? Like come on bruh.
 
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How exactly does it flow well when the author essentially just goes "ah fuck, I forgot to actually develop this character who's been in the series since the start, better just do it all now in an abrupt flashback!"? Especially when it happens right in the middle of an existing arc - that whole school festival storyline is still unresolved and was just left with HIkari stood outside the classroom.
Because he clearly didn't forget to but instead chose to develop her after the twist happened. The twist worked because we knew almost nothing about her. The twist will continue to work when we go back to present because we now know a lot about her.
but it's objectively poor writing.
Are you sure you know what the word "objectively" means?
 
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Jesus christ I didn't really mind the arc but I really really dislike her after seeing her ghost him with zero explanation and then run into him and try to get him back when he's already shown signs of moving on? Like come on bruh.
It’s a shitty thing to do to someone you loved, and it’s a super shitty thing to do to a friend. Honestly this whole arc just makes her look worse.
 
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Sorry, but arguments ad populum don't work on me.
And it would be one thing if the score went down and the amount of discussion quickly declined after the twist but that's not the case.

Look, it's not the first time someone tries to play the "unbiased and condescending" role. "Sometimes I enjoy stories that are badly written" (so when I call this bad writing that means it's bad writing) - this thing doesn't work either.
Okay, blow past all my other arguements
 
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Was reminded this was a thing again and....
Ten Chapters.... Ten whole fucking chapters, all to try to drum up sympathy for something that could have been covered in 2 or 3..... :worry:
And it all culminated in her actual plot-relevant """plight""" and justifications being self-inflicted???
You gotta be fucking kidding me... Cucks will read anything to knock their own boots..... Enjoy, I guess?
 
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Maybe I was wrong and you were right
But I don't really wanna have this fight
I just wanna feel like I belong
And every time my heart swings back to you
You are my morning and my truth
And all that I can do is sing this song
It ain't that long, hm
 
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B/c she's self-destructive and needs therapy? This isn't so much a woman thing as an anxious/depressed /bad things keep happening to them spiraling person thing - the person is so used to their life blowing up in their face that they start destroying good things b/c they're afraid those will blow up too. Here's one resource, but googling self-sabotage will pull up a bunch https://middleearthnj.org/2021/12/13/teens-who-self-sabotage/
The whole anxiety/depression angle is just an excuse used by deeply selfish people in my opinion. I struggled with all of the above in my younger years (and still do now to an extent), but never resorted to taking it out on other people. The type of people who do this never consider how it will affect the other person, or they simply don't care.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I have first hand experience with somebody "breaking up" with me in that way, and it still affects me now, over a decade later. As I mentioned, it took a while before I was able to handle even being close to people, let alone relationships, but even now I have trust issues and struggle to maintain relationships for more than a few months. It's very difficult to open up to somebody if you're subconsciously wondering if they're gonna ghost you too, especially when you don't even know what led the first person to ghost you.

Bit of a rant but imo there is absolutely no excuse for that behaviour.
 
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She has not appeared for an entire volume and she’s been mentioned liked twice
Why would she? Yami does not know her chronologically.
This isn’t a case of “the author is writing a complex narrative from multiple perspectives” they are trying to pull a bait and switch and pretend it’s not a bait and switch
They are not. I mean, it's your assumption against mine until we see the events of chapter 21 followed up from, but I have no reasons to believe that we will not get back to Hikari's POV and get a proper resolution for her.
That’s why pacing and momentum are important
I ask you again, what is "pacing and momentum"? Until you describe these buzzwords and the meaning you attribute to them, they will remain just that - buzzwords.
Yes we all remember what happened at the end of volume 1, the issue is author is now completely incapable of playing off the emotions they built up, there can not be a proper emotional payoff to Hikari’s arc it’s been way too long and way too much has been told to us, she can just get a new one
If we were told too much to us and the outcome we expect now is different from what we expected prior to this arc, then maybe there was a point to telling us all of this?
Also if you can’t understand the difference between a history book and a story, you’re beyond help.
And what's the difference? If you're so prissy about history not being fiction, replace "history book" with "historical fiction" or "biography" or whatever, the point remains the same - stories with foregone conclusions not effecting the ongoing narrative.
If you have multiple dishes on a plate that are supposed to compliment eachother (in this metaphor: having multiple POV’s) you don’t each all of one, then all of the other
You don't put them in a blender and make a smoothie.
Also you do realize the vast majority of non-linear fiction jumps back and forth right.
Like this manga, eh? The fiction I've read/watched had chunks big enough to be self-contained, and this arc can fit in a chapter or two of a regular novel, or 20-30 minutes of a movie. Some movies might chose to switch the POV or timeline more often, but they have advantage over manga or books in that they have more tools which allow them to establish enough surrounding context in a fraction of second; manga would have to waste no less than a textbox to establish a switch.
Yes the events of Yami’s backstory are hard to digest, it’s been an entire volume of nearly unbroken walls of text, she’s gotten more backstory than Hikari has at this point and people still fucking hate her because her backstory was delivered as a sloppy text dump during a CRUCIAL SCENE in the character we had been following’s arc.
Finally, no Yuu DOESNT know this stuff because he is privy to neither her thoughts nor incidents occurring around the time they’re actively interacting
Again, how is that any different to how the story was during the first arc? Hikari was monologuing to herself with no less of a character count than Yami was during her arc. Yuu was privy to what was happening with Yami to the extent he could see, and while he could not see evertything, he could see a lot. A lot more than during Hikari's arc where he was only shown the facade of a childhood friend.
And if what you say is true and Hikari never confronts them and pulls back, why is she in the story?
Because her pulling back is also a story with a lot to tell about how she copes with this outcome and moves on.

Also if you can’t understand the difference between a history book and a story, you’re beyond help.
Actually, I think our conversation is heated enough that I can stop pulling this particular punch:
People LIKE Hikari, so we want to see what happens to her, we can’t do that when the author refuses to let anything happen with her for an entire volume.
Yeah, that seems to be the reason. People are reading this manga to see more of their chosen waifu, they want to see resolution for they waifu, and at best tolerate anything that is not directly about her. Yami? She's just an unimportant skank who dared to bare teeth at our waifu and steal her spotlight, in actuality our waifu and our waifu alone deserves to have the story be told about her, everything else is just an unimportant context for a side character with whom we don't need to attempt to empathize because she's not our waifu. If it is not about our waifu, it is not an effective narrative, at best it's a "sloppy text dump", nevermind that our waifu had 20 chapters of her own "sloppy text dump". Our third wheel of a waifu is not important in this arc where she has no reasons to be in the first place? That's, uh, bad pacing, and the story needs to be restructured in such a way where our waifu is always important, and it will all be about her, that would be good pacing! Now let's get back to our waifu, because I've been containing my climax for 6 months and cannot hold it anymore!
Pacing, momentum, climax - all buzzwords meant to be excuses for misreading this story. This complete dismissal of Yami and her story is nothing but waifuwars and reading the wrong manga. And I am saying this as someone whose waifu is Hikari, I couldn't care less about what happens to Yami after the story ends. Doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the story that is being told, and the reasons it is being told the way it is.
 
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Why would she? Yami does not know her chronologically.

They are not. I mean, it's your assumption against mine until we see the events of chapter 21 followed up from, but I have no reasons to believe that we will not get back to Hikari's POV and get a proper resolution for her.

I ask you again, what is "pacing and momentum"? Until you describe these buzzwords and the meaning you attribute to them, they will remain just that - buzzwords.

If we were told too much to us and the outcome we expect now is different from what we expected prior to this arc, then maybe there was a point to telling us all of this?

And what's the difference? If you're so prissy about history not being fiction, replace "history book" with "historical fiction" or "biography" or whatever, the point remains the same - stories with foregone conclusions not effecting the ongoing narrative.

You don't put them in a blender and make a smoothie.

Like this manga, eh? The fiction I've read/watched had chunks big enough to be self-contained, and this arc can fit in a chapter or two of a regular novel, or 20-30 minutes of a movie. Some movies might chose to switch the POV or timeline more often, but they have advantage over manga or books in that they have more tools which allow them to establish enough surrounding context in a fraction of second; manga would have to waste no less than a textbox to establish a switch.


Again, how is that any different to how the story was during the first arc? Hikari was monologuing to herself with no less of a character count than Yami was during her arc. Yuu was privy to what was happening with Yami to the extent he could see, and while he could not see evertything, he could see a lot. A lot more than during Hikari's arc where he was only shown the facade of a childhood friend.

Because her pulling back is also a story with a lot to tell about how she copes with this outcome and moves on.


Actually, I think our conversation is heated enough that I can stop pulling this particular punch:

Yeah, that seems to be the reason. People are reading this manga to see more of their chosen waifu, they want to see resolution for they waifu, and at best tolerate anything that is not directly about her. Yami? She's just an unimportant skank who dared to bare teeth at our waifu and steal her spotlight, in actuality our waifu and our waifu alone deserves to have the story be told about her, everything else is just an unimportant context for a side character with whom we don't need to attempt to empathize because she's not our waifu. If it is not about our waifu, it is not an effective narrative, at best it's a "sloppy text dump", nevermind that our waifu had 20 chapters of her own "sloppy text dump". Our third wheel of a waifu is not important in this arc where she has no reasons to be in the first place? That's, uh, bad pacing, and the story needs to be restructured in such a way where our waifu is always important, and it will all be about her, that would be good pacing! Now let's get back to our waifu, because I've been containing my climax for 6 months and cannot hold it anymore!
Pacing, momentum, climax - all buzzwords meant to be excuses for misreading this story. This complete dismissal of Yami and her story is nothing but waifuwars and reading the wrong manga. And I am saying this as someone whose waifu is Hikari, I couldn't care less about what happens to Yami after the story ends. Doesn't mean I wouldn't recognize the story that is being told, and the reasons it is being told the way it is.
You’re literally cutting around my points now, it’s obvious since you’re using sections of sentences instead of whole sentences.
 
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You’re literally cutting around my points now, it’s obvious since you’re using sections of sentences instead of whole sentences.
If you no longer wish to continue the discussion, just say so. Why play the victim instead? And if you do want to continue, just say which of your points were ignored in your opinion.
 

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