Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 30 - Fireworks

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While I have maybe written whole essays on why I think the relationship shown in this arc is toxic, I'm actually team either or. Like they're teens and people have toxic relationships and if Aya and Yuu have grown up since the first round maybe it'd be healthier the second go around. Yuu at least would hopefully be going in w/ a much better perspective on who Aya is.
oh yeah absolutely this relationship is toxic lol, but yet i still wouldnt mind yuu ended up back with yami if as you said they grew up during the past year.
but tbf the reasons why i would be fine with either hikari or yami to be the final girl is a bit superficial lol.
like i root for hikari cause she is the childhood friend and mate i am always a sucker for the childhood friend route in manga. and for yami i root for her simply because she is a girl with a short black hair lol
 
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Well, he chose not to, and that was even more satisfying and flew well.
He did it without any twists in his previous works and those worked fine too, but here he chose to make one and it worked perfectly.
How exactly does it flow well when the author essentially just goes "ah fuck, I forgot to actually develop this character who's been in the series since the start, better just do it all now in an abrupt flashback!"? Especially when it happens right in the middle of an existing arc - that whole school festival storyline is still unresolved and was just left with HIkari stood outside the classroom. It might have worked if it was just 1-2 chapters, but this has been dragging on now to the point that it feels like a totally different story. Like Dingo777 said, it's fine to enjoy it, but it's objectively poor writing.

Also the fact that you apparently think "flew" is the past tense of "flow" speaks volumes.
 
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I agree I mean a few text less scenes of her seeing the messages, Flashes of her abusive mother, interspersed with her times with Yuu then the a final scene of her crying as she blocks him would have been better. Show the inner struggle and pain on her face. That would have been better.

The information dump should have come up naturally in pertinent conversations and scenes.
Yes, thank you, that’s exactly my point.
 
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Ideally these could have been peppered in during heart to heart moments between the characters
One important thing is that, judging by those two volumes that we've got, and by the latest tweet from the author where they say "which heroine will appear next time", the story is being told as self-contained substories narrated from an uninterrupted POV of a heroine, and switching between Yami and Hikari would break that. The big reason for the impact that was chapter 21 was that Hikari's POV did not let us see all the clues for what they were, so POV is an important narrative device here.
Just as an example there could be a scene where Hikari finally sits down with and asks when they even met and then a small chapter or two flashback while she tells part of the story, then Hikari naturally reacting to it. There could be a scene where Hikari confronts Yuu about what happened and why they kissed and we get a short flashback that Yami had told him. There could be a scene where Yuu confronts Yami and asks why everything fell apart and she’s flashbacks reviewing the parts she told Yuu and adding details from her perspective. During all of this the characters can act and react with eachother and progress the narrative.
It is not unlikely that Hikari might chose to not confront them at all and quietly back off, and so we wouldn't get any of these flashbacks. But even if the events will happen as you describe or close enough, having Yami's story told in form of chopped up flashbacks as opposed to a self-contained volume would shift the narrative weight from "Yami and Hikari are equal heroines" to "Yami is a side character", which does not seem to align with author's intentions. As for the possible repetition, now that we know the context, the author has all the tools to condense it in like one page of "they dumped their backstory onto me", and we will be able to see Hikari grimacing in one chapter as it happens in real time instead of multiple chapters interlaced with flashbacks. We were shown the context, there's no need to tell it to us.
The issue with a flashback is it can only provide context, it can’t progress a story in progress on its own because everything that happens during it is, by its nature, already done.
Way to dismiss all history books. Sometimes context IS the story, which I believe to be the case here.
No one can react to this entire arc because no one but Yami knows anything about it.
Yuu knows, he was a direct participant. In fact, he knows more about the events of these nine chapters than he and everyone else combined excep knew about the events of the first arc. I say it again, I don't see how that is any different from the first 20 chapters.
more digestible chunks rather than trying to swallow the whole watermelon
Are events of this arc hard to digest? Taking spoonfuls of watermelon while eating rice sounds even less digestable to me. Like, seriously, jumping back and forth between POVs - and as we've established, POVs are important here - seems conceptually more confusing to me, for one, the author would constantly need to reestablish whose POV it is.
It kills the momentum and shock the author had built up during the first arc
Kills how? Did this arc make you forget about the events of chapter 21 already?
What exactly are "momentum" and "pacing"? If it is a measurement of significance of the events being told, the manga was a slowburn during the first 20 chapters, and then it was imparted the momentum of drama in chapter 21, and the dramaticism was retained throughout this arc to the point of being melodramatic. If it is a measurement of how linearly the story is being told, well then it's a stupid measure, because a story does not need to be something that is a sequence of events progressing towards the future. Non-linear stories are usually introspective, where events as they occur are mere devices existing for the sake of giving context to personalities. In introspective non-linear stories, the questions and the intrigue are usually in the vein of, "how do events in the story affect them personally" as opposed to "given their personalities, which events will occur next" is a typical linear story. You're fixated on "what happens next", but that's not what the story is trying to be.
 
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If anyone thinks her decision was stupid, you never felt truly and deeply undeserving of someone/something.
She saw herself and her life as destined to be miserable, hence the decision of ghosting him, not even giving closure, to make him feel angry or frustrated and forget her.
Yes, that's what people do when they feel it will be hard to leave someone....
And you've clearly never been on the receiving end of something like that. Speaking from experience, you don't just forget about the person and move on, that's just the extremely selfish view of the person doing the ghosting. It took me a very long time to actually be capable of forming relationships again. If you do something like this instead of breaking up properly, you are a piece of shit.
 
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I don’t understand what happened, but if she still loved him why did she leave? Idk and I will never understand women. 😔
 
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I think yuu knows that ayami goes to the same school as hikari, and now i gotta ask, did yuu know hikari was friends with ayami, his ex? i want to say no, but im not sure. If yuu knew this entire time that hikari is friends with ayami, imma be even more pissed off.
I’m pretty sure he knows—Hiraki’s like an open book, so she’s probably mentioned her friends’ names at some point.
 
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I’m pretty sure he knows—Hiraki’s like an open book, so she’s probably mentioned her friends’ names at some point.
She might have mentioned "Aya-chan", and it could be anyone. Yuu knows her as "Yami-senpai"
 
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I’m pretty sure he knows—Hiraki’s like an open book, so she’s probably mentioned her friends’ names at some point.
She might have mentioned "Aya-chan", and it could be anyone. Yuu knows her as "Yami-senpai"
Perfect indication that this flashback has dragged on too long since you both seem to have forgotten how it started. Yuu and Yami meet when she's sat at the station in her uniform, and they talk about how he took the entrance exam to her school and failed. Then he talks about how he likes somebody at that school. There is quite literally no doubt that he knows they go to the same school, just not that they're friends.
 
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@mgRdr fair point, that was also made very clear though - no, he didn't know that. Yami didn't even know until the festival chapter, because Hikari didn't refer to the MC as Yuu.
 
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@mgRdr fair point, that was also made very clear though - no, he didn't know that. Yami didn't even know until the festival chapter, because Hikari didn't refer to the MC as Yuu.
Huh? Yami has suspected it’s the same Yuu since Chapter 11, and in Chapter 13.5, it’s revealed that she knows it’s the same Yuu. Check out my post on the first page.
 
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One important thing is that, judging by those two volumes that we've got, and by the latest tweet from the author where they say "which heroine will appear next time", the story is being told as self-contained substories narrated from an uninterrupted POV of a heroine, and switching between Yami and Hikari would break that. The big reason for the impact that was chapter 21 was that Hikari's POV did not let us see all the clues for what they were, so POV is an important narrative device here.

It is not unlikely that Hikari might chose to not confront them at all and quietly back off, and so we wouldn't get any of these flashbacks. But even if the events will happen as you describe or close enough, having Yami's story told in form of chopped up flashbacks as opposed to a self-contained volume would shift the narrative weight from "Yami and Hikari are equal heroines" to "Yami is a side character", which does not seem to align with author's intentions. As for the possible repetition, now that we know the context, the author has all the tools to condense it in like one page of "they dumped their backstory onto me", and we will be able to see Hikari grimacing in one chapter as it happens in real time instead of multiple chapters interlaced with flashbacks. We were shown the context, there's no need to tell it to us.

Way to dismiss all history books. Sometimes context IS the story, which I believe to be the case here.

Yuu knows, he was a direct participant. In fact, he knows more about the events of these nine chapters than he and everyone else combined excep knew about the events of the first arc. I say it again, I don't see how that is any different from the first 20 chapters.

Are events of this arc hard to digest? Taking spoonfuls of watermelon while eating rice sounds even less digestable to me. Like, seriously, jumping back and forth between POVs - and as we've established, POVs are important here - seems conceptually more confusing to me, for one, the author would constantly need to reestablish whose POV it is.

Kills how? Did this arc make you forget about the events of chapter 21 already?
What exactly are "momentum" and "pacing"? If it is a measurement of significance of the events being told, the manga was a slowburn during the first 20 chapters, and then it was imparted the momentum of drama in chapter 21, and the dramaticism was retained throughout this arc to the point of being melodramatic. If it is a measurement of how linearly the story is being told, well then it's a stupid measure, because a story does not need to be something that is a sequence of events progressing towards the future. Non-linear stories are usually introspective, where events as they occur are mere devices existing for the sake of giving context to personalities. In introspective non-linear stories, the questions and the intrigue are usually in the vein of, "how do events in the story affect them personally" as opposed to "given their personalities, which events will occur next" is a typical linear story. You're fixated on "what happens next", but that's not what the story is trying to be.
All this talk of “Yami isn’t a side character” as if Hikari hasn’t been reduced to a narrative device at this point. She has not appeared for an entire volume and she’s been mentioned liked twice. Yami has appeared more times in this manga now that Hikari has. This isn’t a case of “the author is writing a complex narrative from multiple perspectives” they are trying to pull a bait and switch and pretend it’s not a bait and switch. It’s hacky writing using cheap tricks to try and seem more interesting. The author began Hikari’s arc and then just… moved on during the climax of it. The emotions of anticipation and excitement at the twist are dead and gone and at this point replaced by annoyance and frustration. That’s why pacing and momentum are important. Yes we all remember what happened at the end of volume 1, the issue is author is now completely incapable of playing off the emotions they built up, there can not be a proper emotional payoff to Hikari’s arc it’s been way too long and way too much has been told to us, she can just get a new one. Maybe. If the author remembers that she was important at one point.

Also if you can’t understand the difference between a history book and a story, you’re beyond help.

Also you clearly understand how food is eaten? If you have multiple dishes on a plate that are supposed to compliment eachother (in this metaphor: having multiple POV’s) you don’t each all of one, then all of the other. Yes the events of Yami’s backstory are hard to digest, it’s been an entire volume of nearly unbroken walls of text, she’s gotten more backstory than Hikari has at this point and people still fucking hate her because her backstory was delivered as a sloppy text dump during a CRUCIAL SCENE in the character we had been following’s arc.

Also you do realize the vast majority of non-linear fiction jumps back and forth right.

And if what you say is true and Hikari never confronts them and pulls back, why is she in the story? Why not just tell Yami and Yuu’s story with Hikari as a background device? People LIKE Hikari, so we want to see what happens to her, we can’t do that when the author refuses to let anything happen with her for an entire volume.

Finally, no Yuu DOESNT know this stuff because he is privy to neither her thoughts nor incidents occurring around the time they’re actively interacting. She’s still going to have to tell him this stuff eventually, and it’s not something that can be hand waved with “and then they told them everything” because too much has happened. There would need to be interruptions constantly, which would flesh out the characters and the story.

If the author wants to tell arcs from each character’s perspective, then they can do that and still move the story forward, instead of info dumping backstory all at once.
 
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Huh? Yami has suspected it’s the same Yuu since Chapter 11, and in Chapter 13.5, it’s revealed that she knows it’s the same Yuu. Check out my post on the first page.
Ah yeah, I meant amusement park, not festival. The point stands though, that until that part she doesn't know he's the same person - otherwise she wouldn't be acting surprised in the group chat when somebody calls him "Yuu", because she thought Hikari's "bf"'s name was Ta-kun.
 
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omg reread chapter 16, its crazy rereading that chapter after this arc. cus now knowing what we know, we find out that yuu's attitude towards which school to go changed because that would be around the time he started dating ayami.
what do you mean his attitude towards which school changed? the moment yuu and yami first met was after the exam result is announced and yuu was sad because he wasnt accepted to the same school as hikari
 
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Ah yeah, I meant amusement park, not festival. The point stands though, that until that part she doesn't know he's the same person - otherwise she wouldn't be acting surprised in the group chat when somebody calls him "Yuu", because she thought Hikari's "bf"'s name was Ta-kun.
wasnt your original point being yuu not knowing hikari is friends with yami? like yeah yami find out the yuu hikari likes is the same person after the amusement chapter but there has not been one chapter so far that indicates yuu knowing hikari and yami are friends. all yuu knows is that yami was in the same school and thats why yuu was hesitant on going to festival before he sees hikari was upset that he didnt want to go
 
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wasnt your original point being yuu not knowing hikari is friends with yami? like yeah yami find out the yuu hikari likes is the same person after the amusement chapter but there has not been one chapter so far that indicates yuu knowing hikari and yami are friends. all yuu knows is that yami was in the same school and thats why yuu was hesitant on going to festival before he sees hikari was upset that he didnt want to go
That's basically exactly what I said. Yuu knows that Hikari and Yami go to the same school, he doesn't know they're friends. Yami doesn't know Hikari and Yuu are childhood friends until the amusement park chapter, I mistakenly said festival before. My point was that none of this is a mystery - we know who knows what, and at which point they found out.
 
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I don’t understand what happened, but if she still loved him why did she leave? Idk and I will never understand women. 😔
B/c she's self-destructive and needs therapy? This isn't so much a woman thing as an anxious/depressed /bad things keep happening to them spiraling person thing - the person is so used to their life blowing up in their face that they start destroying good things b/c they're afraid those will blow up too. Here's one resource, but googling self-sabotage will pull up a bunch https://middleearthnj.org/2021/12/13/teens-who-self-sabotage/
 

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