Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 45 - Wandering Through The Night

[noleafclover75]

People are still defending this garbage release and pacing lol.

 

[habla]

Such considerate gentlemen! Were they gonna take turns or go at it all at once?

that a hard choice
I guess they'd need more participants to both go at it in groups and take turns

 

[story645]

People are still defending this garbage release and pacing lol.

Can I separate the two? I think the chapter pacing makes sense structurally but that it translates poorly to the release schedule.

To me it suggests either a lack of planning, major overwork, burn out, or all three. Many authors trying to do this type of thing take a few months haitus and then stack up releases so that they can fine tune the pacing w.r.t. the release schedule, but for whatever reason Maruto is either unable or unwilling to do so.

 

[GennArc]

Sure, but it still slows down the advancement of plot - like the characters, the reader has to wait a few chapters to see how the climax/crash out resolves.

Which is not a big deal and happens to almost every manga, after something major happens characters take a couple of chapters to process or react to it. In that I agree that it's an experience akin to the reader's one.
The problem here is the release schedule.

Many authors trying to do this type of thing take a few months haitus and then stack up releases so that they can fine tune the pacing w.r.t. the release schedule, but for whatever reason Maruto is either unable or unwilling to do so.

After two "leaked" novel chapters I think it's pretty much clear that Maruto makes it in time and the problem is the manga, i.e. the artist. We already had a hiatus from June to August and we're still getting chapters like 44 and now the monthly pause, so it seems Yom wasn't able to stack up releases.

 

[LuckyThePirate]

yuu haters yami cucks need to apologize.

 

[Yotomoe]

The Yami hate is so overblown. Sure she's not a great person but she's also kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. A boy she loves and a girl she loves (platonically). It wasn't some evil scheme. Shes just doing her best to manage her emotions.

The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first. But from Yami's side she meets a nice guy and they get romantic. They split up due to circumstances. Then she meets a nice girl who helps her get her life back on track and that girl just so happens to have a crush on Yami's ex. Yami isn't intruding on Hikari's romance story. Hikari is intruding on Yami's.

 

[HellJester]

The Yami hate is so overblown. Sure she's not a great person but she's also kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. A boy she loves and a girl she loves (platonically). It wasn't some evil scheme. Shes just doing her best to manage her emotions.

The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first. But from Yami's side she meets a nice guy and they get romantic. They split up due to circumstances. Then she meets a nice girl who helps her get her life back on track and that girl just so happens to have a crush on Yami's ex. Yami isn't intruding on Hikari's romance story. Hikari is intruding on Yami's.

I mean, that's an incredibly generous take.

Yami knew since the summer that Hikari's crush was her ex. She sat on that knowledge until late October when the school festival takes place and took no steps to address the issue. She purposefully showed up and hid the entire time before finally venturing out and running into Yuu. She kisses Yuu knowing that Hikari is watching the whole thing. Yami even states she's not sure if she kissed Yuu because Hikari was watching.

Yami nuked her own romance on purpose. She nuked her friendship with Hikari on purpose. At any point between finding out in the summer and the festival she could have talked to Hikari but chose not to. When she's finally confronted by both Yuu and Hikari (who both have valid questions for her) she attempts to lie to both of them about the whole thing.

She's got her issues and her circumstances do warrant sympathy but just about everything that's going wrong in her life is a mess of her own making.

Also, to state the only reason to take Hikari's side is because she's shown first is wild. Hikari is kept in the dark by both Yami and Yuu and still manages to stumble her way forward without actively trying to fuck over either of them. When she realizes there's a history between Yuu and Yami she takes steps to go talk to her friend, a courtesy that neither Yuu nor Yami extended to her.

Hikari isn't without blame but she's not pursuing Yuu to fuck over Yami.

 

[EijiRin]

Yep, it was in the novel version.
I wouldn't say it's a crucial thing to miss this time, unlike what Yom did in the previous chapter. But it's still annoying since it makes it tougher to discuss.
OTOH, we got two extra manga-only chapters: 2 weeks ago and today. Hopefully @EijiRin will get to them eventually, though I hate to bother him.

I'm planning to upload the extras this week, probably tomorrow or this weekend

 

[GennArc]

but just about everything that's going wrong in her life is a mess of her own making.

Like her father dying, or her stepfather trying to molest her, or her mom taking his side and refusing to listen or her attempting suicide?

Hikari isn't without blame but she's not pursuing Yuu to fuck over Yami.

I think the point was not about who is to blame and who is morally right. It was simply about the audience's sympathies.

 

[HellJester]

Like her father dying, or her stepfather trying to molest her, or her mom taking his side and refusing to listen or her attempting suicide?


I think the point was not about who is to blame and who is morally right. It was simply about the audience's sympathies.

My bad, I should have phrased it "but just about everything that's currently going wrong in her life is a mess of her own making." What I mean is her relationship with Yuu & Hikari. Yami chose to end her relationship with Yuu. Yami chose to take steps that could very well lead to her relationship with Hikari being over. For someone who states she doesn't want to lose Hikari's friendship, Yami sure makes a ton of decisions that could very well lead to that outcome.

And I'm sorry but:

The only reason we're inclined to take Hikari's side is because we met her first. But from Yami's side she meets a nice guy and they get romantic. They split up due to circumstances. Then she meets a nice girl who helps her get her life back on track and that girl just so happens to have a crush on Yami's ex. Yami isn't intruding on Hikari's romance story. Hikari is intruding on Yami's.

I mean this whole description is from a standpoint of ignoring everything and putting on rose tinted glasses. They split up due to circumstances? Technically true but that leaves out so much information. It's also disingenuous as it implies it was a mutual decision between Yami and Yuu and not a unilateral call from Yami.

And if your interpretation is correct and they were talking about the audience's sympathies, it's still wild to state that the only reason the audience would sympathize with Hikari is because we got her story first. At least Hikari (for the most part) attempts to communicate with Yuu & Yami. She's constantly giving Yami the benefit of the doubt. Even though she was pissed at Yuu for lying she was right there defending him to Yami. Where is a minimum of reciprocation from Yami in regards to either Yuu or Hikari? Where is an instance of Yami pushing past herself to try to do something right by Hikari or Yuu?

It's just crazy to me to chalk up the audience siding with Hikari to the fact she was shown first. If you read the manga in chronological order I believe the audience would still sympathize with Hikari as she's generally trying to do the right thing.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Can I separate the two? I think the chapter pacing makes sense structurally but that it translates poorly to the release schedule.

To me it suggests either a lack of planning, major overwork, burn out, or all three. Many authors trying to do this type of thing take a few months haitus and then stack up releases so that they can fine tune the pacing w.r.t. the release schedule, but for whatever reason Maruto is either unable or unwilling to do so.

Yep this explains it quite well the pacing is alright...just not for a monthly release

Not sure wtf is happening with production but SOMETHING clearly ain't working

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Which is not a big deal and happens to almost every manga, after something major happens characters take a couple of chapters to process or react to it. In that I agree that it's an experience akin to the reader's one.
The problem here is the release schedule.

Yep the release schedule is AWFUL for this

After two "leaked" novel chapters I think it's pretty much clear that Maruto makes it in time and the problem is the manga, i.e. the artist. We already had a hiatus from June to August and we're still getting chapters like 44 and now the monthly pause, so it seems Yom wasn't able to stack up releases.

Isn't the reason for the extra month delay though to give extra time to write material for a volume release? Or do I have that wrong?

 

[middle-the-nerd]

Maruto's comment on Xitter made it sound like it's going to be some explicit rating chapter 45 that didn't make it into the main manga.

Spoiler

What the fuck??? Okay genuinely curious what the hell it could be then...

It's because there is (usually) a lot to discuss. In most romcom/romance stories, every chapter is limited to "mc and a love interest ended up doing some stuff together and it was cute/heartwarming". In most plot-heavy stories there's a big overarching plot that is moving slowly with each new chapter without any complex stuff happening.
But here there's always a room for interpretations, characters doing questionable stuff that people like or dislike, and it's always fun to analyze or read others' opinions. Some come here just to whine, sure, but they usually don't contribute much because whining doesn't induce discussion.

Honestly the discussion is probably the best part of this shit show lmao as you said- there's usually alot to discuss

 

[GennArc]

They split up due to circumstances? Technically true but that leaves out so much information. It's also disingenuous as it implies it was a mutual decision between Yami and Yuu and not a unilateral call from Yami.

I think it only implies that they broke up not because of a conflict or incompatibility but because of something outside of their relationship.

And if your interpretation is correct and they were talking about the audience's sympathies, it's still wild to state that the only reason the audience would sympathize with Hikari is because we got her story first.

It's just crazy to me to chalk up the audience siding with Hikari to the fact she was shown first.

I'm quite sure that is not what was implied. The post is about an overblown hatred towards Yami, it doesn't say that readers would not like Hikari if the story didn't start with her side. Hikari would still be well-liked, but maybe Yami wouldn't be that hated.

Isn't the reason for the extra month delay though to give extra time to write material for a volume release? Or do I have that wrong?

Correct. But I was talking more about how summer hiatus didn't help them stack up releases, which resulted in both unfinished manga chapters (like 44) and the necessity to have another month of preparation for commercial volume 2 release.
To be fair, as mentioned, we are getting a decent number of extra chapters. They are not too long and not too eventful, but it's still something.