Is mangadex becoming more toxic?

[Aichan]

@BroederTrapist
Dude, I don't know if you don't know what 'personal attack' means, but the 'you' refered to the character in the manga. It is not a real person, therefore, it is not a personal attack. The person does not exist in real life and only exist as a drawing.

If you insult Monalisa from the painting of Monalisa for being ugly, does that count as personal attack? No, it counts as personal attack if you insult Leonardo (I think he was the artist) for being 'an incestuous bastard who draws his own mother as his fap material'. This is an example, I do not know Leonardo.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

The problem with text is that it doesn't have emotions.

Unironically this (not necessarily in this scenario tho).

Setting aside the OP situation, this is why profile pics (among other factors ofc) play a legitimate role in conveying the tonality or intent of posts. It's natural to see an angry face next to a post and subconsciously read said post in an angry tone.

Pfp's can also display personalities and interests to some extent, further humanizing the actual people behind the posts. And ofc, the alternative (not having any indicator of individualization) can dehumanize users from outside perspectives. This is why having a profile pic that tends to elicit negative responses, or even having no pfp at all, can warp the perceived intent of a post for the worse.

I know this sounds off-topic and ranty, and that's because it is. Please like this comment so mods can see it.

 

[BroederTrapist]

@aichan
Then that was a misunderstanding. You know more about the whole context of where those messages were posted.
And I doubt that I was the only one in this thread who assumed that the "you" in that message was another manga reader.

@bigtiddyoneesan
Hey, that's an interesting observation. In my case, I often read this on my smartphone. So I mostly never see those pfp's unless I open a profile of a user.
More research is needed on the psychological effect of profile pictures on how posts are received.

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

So it wasn't always like this? I made my account 4-5 months ago; I was attacked after my 1st post.

 

[BroederTrapist]

@2spiritcherokeeprincess
Was that in the political thread?
Then it wouldn't really count. Any discussion about politics, religion, sport has high probability to create a toxic cesspool. It would be like diving in a pig's pen and expecting to smell like roses when getting out.

 

[BzzBzz]

> So it wasn't always like this? I made my account 4 months ago; I was attacked after my 1st post.

Nope. It was sweet fluffy swamp with rainbows and unicors for about 2-3 months after opening while people were afraid that mods will enforce rules.

Later, when it became obvious that mods are fluffy unicorns themselves then people showed their real nature.

Edit: you just have to learn how to post without intention to participate in discussion. Just post once then forget about that topic

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@BroederTrapist
Yeah, research and articles about that stuff is interesting, although it's def easier to find research on pfp's that are more relevant to 'normie' sites (for lack of a better term) where people link their actual faces and identities.

There's arguably something to be gained by 'leveling the playing field' when it comes to certain individualities though. I'm sure that reading posts on a site with no pfp's (like 4chan or something, or even this site (I just tried it on mobile to see for myself)) can result in some noticeable differences in how people respond to posts (when compared to showing pfp's). Personally, no one having profile pics is kinda refreshing for me.

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess

I was attacked after my 1st post.

Lmao at playing the victim. Idk what post it was specifically, but going off other ones, you were prob asking for it (and "it" is actually just benign responses with corrections or different opinions most likely. I've seen what warrants a block from this person.)

 

[rkkn]

the dickheads are a minority, and it's usually the same people. just block em

 

[YumGumYum]

mods are fluffy unicorns

I wonder if we should start doing that: "Protect and help them breed so they won't go extinct".

Spoiler

 

[blackyawgdom]

@bigtiddyoneesan iirc, their first post was in the politics thread... So thats on them.

Any site that has a forum or comments will eventually turn toxic. It's just internet human nature, all it takes is one. It's like supercooling pure water, then dropping a grain of salt/sugar.

 

[Richman]

Most people who read don't have an account and/or don't comment in chapters and discussion threads, so the people that do are more vocal with their opinions. Most of the modded comments I've seen were insults and slurs, but reporting them helps, though it is up to the mod who checks those comments to decide if they should take action. I've only had my comments moderated once when I took it too far (and I consider myself to blame anyway).

I am also a believer that having a profile picture and also a profile bio can help others understand who you are as a person, to me, default1 users are very volatile, I don't know what they're gonna do, maybe they'll say "oh! How cute and adorable" or maybe they'll say "Dropped, MC is a beta [removed] who should die in hell".

 

[vinsegas]

Always

 

[MawMaw]

can I be your friend

@__nil
sure man just hmu on the eckbox smile

 

[Shiny_pikachu]

This thread reeks of irony

 

[Ceildric]

@Aichan

You don't know what a personal attack is, and like many people these days you are using "toxicity" to be an easy, imprecise catch-all to label anyone or anything that vigorously challenges you.

The user you quoted in the first message of this thread did not make some random threat on you and your family, he was specifically drawing a parallel to what the characters in the manga under discussion experienced and saying in essence, "If you had actually gone through the same shit, you would not be taking the position you are taking here."

 

[Yatsuki]

@Ceildric The way you say things matters, that person could have easily said "Put yourself in the character's shoes/Imagine yourself in the character's situation and then see if you can still forgive that person" or something along that line. Yet they specifically said that they "genuinely wish" harm would come to OP's family so OP would know what the character feels. That's definitely overacting and unnecessary personal attack in my book.

 

[Ceildric]

@Yatsuki

Whether something is a personal attack has nothing to do with how it is said, but rather who/what is being targeted. The target remained firmly on the argument, and not on the OP's personal identity.

It should be noted that even if the person OP quoted had made an actual threat, that would be a threat, still not a personal attack.

Your arbitrary standards for what kind of rhetoric you find rude has nothing to do with the objective question of whether someone's person is being attacked or not.

Further, if you find someone rude, that does not make them "toxic" in any objective sense, as people try to present it here and elsewhere in the world. No one is under obligation to follow your personal list of good manners anymore than everyone 20 or 30 years ago was obligated to abide by the Dear Abby advice column.

 

[dreminh]

More like people skin getting thinner everyday to me

 

[schlo]

@Yatsuki i agree the way things are said can have an effect but I also believe that a lot of people are lazy when they type in a response. They type in a quick response and post it without completely thinking of how it sounds. Well i believe people are lazy in general too not just in responses. Notice that the person with the response being talked about seems proficient in English, but has at least one dropped word that I could spot. To me this is an indication of typing a response quickly and posting so it may not have been thought out.

While I don't believe I would have reacted the way the person @Aichan is talking about I try to keep in mind that we do not know
what is going on in any individuals life at a given moment. Any person here may have a variety of pressures being put on them at any given moment, money, health, family problems, work... making them more volatile or it may just be their personality. Add to that most people have things that trigger them. In the OP's post example it is about murder and appears to be about accepting the murderer. For some this could be a trigger or in general the view of the person did something wrong but you should accept them.

As for the Defaultbro pic, why the hate. It could be that some people are just lazy, like me or think that a pic doesn't represent who they are, like me. For me this is honestly the truth, I just don't care about pics I couldn't tell you what most people have for a pic. Despite being lazy. earlier in the week, I decided to find and load an image to please the masses that apparently are prejudiced against defaultbros. I hope the pic pleases the defaultbro haters.

All kidding aside, much of what has been said about defaultbro pics I believe could be said about others. I have seen plenty of toxic responses from those with the accepted non default pic too.

 

[Ceildric]

why the hate

It could be that some people are just lazy

You answered your own question there @schlo . Once upon a time laziness was rightfully looked down upon.