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All of the chapters for this series that Hunlight Scans have released are on MD, as far as I can tell.
Isekai ni Otosareta… Jouka wa Kihon! - Ch. 18.2
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I myself go to other sites when they do the whole 'we're 1~2 chapters ahead on our own site' thing, because I'm too impatient to wait. O_O But 'hey there's only a few chapters here' doesn't translate to 'oh they didn't actually drop it I should just visit their site'.
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Honestly I take that rule as more if their chapters actively advertise their site as having more chapters that they won't be uploading to mangadex (or if they upload half the chapter and put a page that says "read the rest on our site"). Plenty of other groups are uploading chapters with delays (either to "get the latest releases on their site" to drive traffic, or patreon/discord exclusive early release), or whenever they feel like it, so simply not uploading absolutely everything they have right away doesn't seem like it breaks any rules.
Regarding that first page, I think the reason ppl were asking questions (at least I were for that reason) or even alerted and suspicious (saw some that were), is because of you skipping one chapter, seemingly just to post the latest before anyone had gotten to tl'ing it?
Fairly sure they were saying their site is down. In other words that it wasn't a fishing attempt but rather a migration to here?
While what you are saying is agreeable, they clearly aren't releasing 1 chapter every 3 months
I'll take it a step further. I won't even read the "official" versions of manga on publishers websites or whatever because it's a PITA to have to go to extra sites. If I can't read it here, I won't be reading it. So I'm definitely not about to go to a for profit website that has nothing to do officially with any series they're trying to make money off of.
That's the current state, but In their own words it's pretty obvious:
"we mainly released chapters on our website. now to avoid the excess work, we released only a few chaps onto Mangadex so that the people knew where to read the rest."
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true. I've noticed some of the series I used to read didn't get updated for awhile. Later I would find out through some random luck that the same team is releasing on there site. After that, I found myself signing up to there discord channels just so I know when a new chapter drops.
Thats...way to much work. So I stopped doing it. What made things worse was seeing all the other series on their site (that I had no interestin) getting a lot of attention.
Side note. One of the youtube channels I watch has mentioned banner rate revenue has fallen off a cliff. So we may start to see more scalators losing the ability to pay for hosting
phew. I'm going to bed now
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Didn't address the chapter skipping and if you wanted to grow you should have done what asurascans did back in the day. Will stay with Haikai Scans.
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right? that's what I said too!
The best option is clearly to have a patreon or the like and limit newer chapters to only there, posting two-three chapters before on MangaDex and the like, and also give people pools in there for the order of translations.
Make the patreon cheap enough that people won't mind it that much. That 1 dollar is a lot when a thousand people are paying it just to help.
Maybe make the poll be for 3 dollars and up, and 10 lets people request something out of the pool order or a new series.
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This is exactly what I meant when I asked if it was time to drop the (ban)hammer in them for rules violation.
It is now, thanks to their recent mass release. But they also make it quite clear that it was originally not their intention: "We released only a few chaps onto MangaDex so that the people knew where to read the rest. But [...] we don't even have funds to keeping our website running". I doubt they were really planning on releasing them on MD at some point if they could keep their website up, which means they likely intended to permanently withhold some of the scanlation.
The intention to attract users to the website is debatable, because the last chapters didn't really advertise it, but the fact that they only released the chapters here after they couldn't sustain their website is shady at best, in regard to this rule.
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Poor normal doggies getting terrified out of their minds from all these super powered giants around them.
Regarding the scanlation, unless an upload explicitly mentions being a few chapters ahead on their own website i dont go out of my way to see if a series is on a scanlation teams personal site. Not least bc you have no idea if the site could have dodgy ads. Its safer to stick to MD and hope someone eventually picks the series up.
Regarding the scanlation, unless an upload explicitly mentions being a few chapters ahead on their own website i dont go out of my way to see if a series is on a scanlation teams personal site. Not least bc you have no idea if the site could have dodgy ads. Its safer to stick to MD and hope someone eventually picks the series up.
It was mentioned earlier they are "like" silver and gold, like most things in this manga like "potato-like". Specifically, they should be Mithril and Orichalcum, hence their need for more magic to work with.
I will report a spelling thing to uploader: "casted" is incorrect, "cast" is correct even for past tense.
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Ah, you're right. I had forgotten that.
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As an FYI, the money in these situations usually goes to 1. Pay for site upkeep & to buy higher quality raws for the series they are currently translating, 2. Pay translators & staff so they can eat/pay rent, 3. Buy HQ raws for new series.
I don't see any problems with 1–3 provided they aren't "selling" the works, but soliciting a "suggested donation" to help keep the lights on/reimburse costs like any other charity. That's fine as they are effectively doing a service—translating content in areas the "official" publisher doesn't want to expend money to publish.
Despite all the howling from the publishing industry, they have long depended upon fanlations groups and the feedback of readers to help determine what series to port to other countries/languages. It's a long known/held open-secret.
The REAL issue is authors and artists (and other production staff) getting screwed by publishers (similarly to other industries). The ongoing writers strike in the US is just one example of the exploitation culture.
Publishers and artists have to go to extremes to "protect" their copyright or else they can lose it legally. It's really BS. Like, there needs to be a better solution. Fan art/fiction/films/shows/etc., all inevitably suffer from this BS.
That said, one thing fanlators offer is multiple interpretations and readings/content/etc.
This last chapter is a key example. All of the "translator's notes" that vary between teams are helpful for readers and ultimately push the quality. It's one reason why I personally believe these media conglomerates are so opposed to "fan works". They provide a basic standard that the studios then have to one-up to get people to shell out for. Basically, raising the bar. They HATE that! 🤣 [They hate competition.] Same goes in the publishing industry. Fanlations simultaneously increase translation competition while also raises the bar for what publishers actually have to produce to get readers to buy.
If you want a "half-assed to kinda good, to possible real good to AMAZEBALLS" you can often find fan translations for works that exist. If a company wants to get US to pay, then we have to get something more than we'd get buying the original work in the original language and reading a fan translation. It isn't worth the markup. They have to go out of their way to sell us on the content by upping the quality. If they do that, make it really worth it, then people are more apt to pay. Ergo, shit dies in monopolies. Ideally, authors & creative teams would have lots of publishers publishing their works and they'd be able to get them to fight over the content by upping the standard, which benefits creators & their fans.
I don't see any problems with 1–3 provided they aren't "selling" the works, but soliciting a "suggested donation" to help keep the lights on/reimburse costs like any other charity. That's fine as they are effectively doing a service—translating content in areas the "official" publisher doesn't want to expend money to publish.
Despite all the howling from the publishing industry, they have long depended upon fanlations groups and the feedback of readers to help determine what series to port to other countries/languages. It's a long known/held open-secret.
The REAL issue is authors and artists (and other production staff) getting screwed by publishers (similarly to other industries). The ongoing writers strike in the US is just one example of the exploitation culture.
Publishers and artists have to go to extremes to "protect" their copyright or else they can lose it legally. It's really BS. Like, there needs to be a better solution. Fan art/fiction/films/shows/etc., all inevitably suffer from this BS.
That said, one thing fanlators offer is multiple interpretations and readings/content/etc.
This last chapter is a key example. All of the "translator's notes" that vary between teams are helpful for readers and ultimately push the quality. It's one reason why I personally believe these media conglomerates are so opposed to "fan works". They provide a basic standard that the studios then have to one-up to get people to shell out for. Basically, raising the bar. They HATE that! 🤣 [They hate competition.] Same goes in the publishing industry. Fanlations simultaneously increase translation competition while also raises the bar for what publishers actually have to produce to get readers to buy.
If you want a "half-assed to kinda good, to possible real good to AMAZEBALLS" you can often find fan translations for works that exist. If a company wants to get US to pay, then we have to get something more than we'd get buying the original work in the original language and reading a fan translation. It isn't worth the markup. They have to go out of their way to sell us on the content by upping the quality. If they do that, make it really worth it, then people are more apt to pay. Ergo, shit dies in monopolies. Ideally, authors & creative teams would have lots of publishers publishing their works and they'd be able to get them to fight over the content by upping the standard, which benefits creators & their fans.
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@TheDragonLord your point is even more relevant if you take in consideration the issues that were happening some time ago, where a localization team was changing the meanings to what they wanted instead of what the story was about.
I remender from the top of my head two: one about a guy that crossdresses that was localized as if he was trans (which are very different things, crossdressers still identify as their original gender even if they dress otherwise) and one by either the same group or related where they translated an anime about a girl and her dog from how she imagined a character from a story with the premise, instead of actually doing the translation as the character themselves (ok, so I don't remember that much about it).
This took away people's trust in the professional translatiors, thus leading people to look for fantranslations instead.
Add to it that even translations to other languages work like the old earphone games (there is a reason Sailor Moon was named Serena in the old brazilian dub too, even if we got the seasons that were cut off from the USA due to censorship the initial ones came from there)
I remender from the top of my head two: one about a guy that crossdresses that was localized as if he was trans (which are very different things, crossdressers still identify as their original gender even if they dress otherwise) and one by either the same group or related where they translated an anime about a girl and her dog from how she imagined a character from a story with the premise, instead of actually doing the translation as the character themselves (ok, so I don't remember that much about it).
This took away people's trust in the professional translatiors, thus leading people to look for fantranslations instead.
Add to it that even translations to other languages work like the old earphone games (there is a reason Sailor Moon was named Serena in the old brazilian dub too, even if we got the seasons that were cut off from the USA due to censorship the initial ones came from there)
