Kaguya-sama: Love is War

[hecatia]

jaimini gets fucked is a good thing

 

[horsewithnoname]

feck didnt realize its a skipping snipe goddammit now i have to go to Jamini's site to read the former chapters..

 

[toolongdidntread]

where did the anime left here?

 

[Tzuyuchu]

@toolongdidntread look around chapter 40-45

 

[ABCsOfLife]

Oh yeah.. it just occurred to me.
How come Maki called Kaguya "auntie" instead of "grandma/granny"?

Spoiler

 

[Nermie01]

So I sat down with my girlfriend the other day to watch the anime to this.... and we couldn't make it more than halfway through the first episode before getting frustrated with these two's obsession with their pride and maintaining some sort of inconsequential power dynamic in their nonexistent relationship. I do not understand why this is so popular.

Relationships do not work that way. Relationships are about compromise, communication, and working together towards a common goal. If someone thinks that one party in a relationship HAS to be dominant while the other HAS to be submissive, that person is unlikely to have a healthy relationship their whole life. That sort of mentality is what leads to domestic abuse and violence. I know it's supposed to be a comedy, but considering the fact that the vast majority of the comedy is supposed to stem from this pointless struggle for superiority between these two, it just completely falls flat to me. I know some of the supporting cast in this is supposed to be really good, but I can't stand the two leads to try and experience that.

 

[ABCsOfLife]

@Nermie01 That's unfortunate, and I feel like you're kinda focusing on the wrong part there.
And so, I believe you're over thinking it.

 

[Nermie01]

@ABCsOfLife I can't help what I focus on when the entire stupid situation keeps throwing itself in my face. How am I supposed to find something entertaining when the entire base premise of the story (which you can't say I'm wrong about that) is something which I find pointlessly annoying and stupid and unhealthy? It doesn't matter if things start to change later on when I can't even make it through the first few parts.

I'm not overthinking it, I'm an older individual with a lot of experience (good and bad) with relationships, and seeing these two fighting each other for supremacy just gives me serious domestic abuse vibes.

 

[Cubs]

when is chapter 145 coming out?

 

[ABCsOfLife]

@Nermie01 precisely why I said you're over thinking it.
You decided to watch this randomly and after seeing it like 3 minutes, you decided to focus on how "a relationship doesn't work that way"
But then you just refuse to see the silly antics those adolescent kids do (I assume this way since you're saying you don't even watch it halfway through).

And honestly, I'm a bit aghast you're criticizing it without even properly finish that one episode.

"But I can't stand it!"
That's fine, you don't have to watch it anymore, end of story.

I can't help what I focus on when the entire stupid situation keeps throwing itself in my face

Dude, that is it, those are kids, doing silly stuff. No need to over thinking it.
And also, why are you even watching this in the first place? To get a thick full blown romance and not really anything else??
Good grief...


My point still stand with "You're focusing on the wrong part and you're over thinking that wrong part".
But again in the end, since you're persist on it, I can't help it I guess and just gonna rephrase what I say before..

That's unfortunate you can't stand the show, I guess it's just not for you.
Don't worry, perhaps there will be other popular show that you can stand.


@Cubs Not sure, there might be a break but it usually came out around Thursday to Friday... On Jaimi's site though 😅

 

[Zenith_Tempest]

yikes to this scanlation

 

[Nermie01]

@ABCsOfLife I'm not trying to argue this, really. Obviously it's not for me, but implying that I'm overthinking this is just not correct. I don't even have to think about why I don't like it, because the basic premise of the story (after seeing it in action) is something that immediately turns me off to it. The reason I tried it in the first place is to see why it's so popular, and I do not understand why it is even after the short period of time I watched it. What you call "silly antics" are actions and behaviors that are counter-intuitive to normal human interaction and unhealthy to pursue. This is literally surface thinking, I could go into a full psycho-analysis of the cast even from the snippet I watched if I wanted to, but I don't want to "overthink" it.

I understand the "three episode rule", and I normally follow it, but this turned me off so immediately because the premise goes completely against any sort of common sense (even among "silly" teenagers). You can be aghast all you want, but I feel completely justified in my criticism of this story even after not watching much of it. I mean, I can't even shut off my brain to try and watch it because I just don't find it entertaining, since the entire plot and groundwork of the comedy is based off of a premise that gives me such an immediate bad reaction.

I was hoping to get some legitimate discussion about people's feelings on the story, but instead all I got is that I'm overthinking it. That just says "don't think about it" to me, which is a huge red flag about a story, implying that thinking about it will expose it for what it is... a flawed premise and poorly executed plot (in general). I'll stop before I get too ranty, and just agree to disagree.

I will ask this one last thing though... if I'm so focusing on the wrong part, exactly which part should I be focusing on? You've yet to expand on that.

 

[Rozoro]

@Nermie01 The only thing you really need to be "focusing on" per se is the fact that you don't seem to like it, and that's ok, it's just not for you.

Manga like Prison School and Shomin Sample were pretty popular too at one point or another. Plenty of people enjoyed those series but I personally couldn't stand to read them at all; that's just how it is.

The reason why I don't enjoy those series and likely the reason why you don't enjoy this series is simply that, because of various factors you are incapable of suspending your disbelief to immerse yourself in the story, because certain plot elements don't make sense to you. You won't be able to enjoy this series unless you are able to accept the fact that it's a cultural difference in the mindset of relationship dynamics and that their antics are absolutely normal in the world they exist in. Possibly you can't do that while others can, it happens to me as well. If I find myself constantly trying to justify the plot of a series and struggling to understand why characters are acting in a particular way or doing what they are doing then I know I won't enjoy the series.

 

[Galder]

thanks for chapter 145

 

[Mimik]

Yikes. That looks rough.

 

[Nermie01]

@Rozoro Thank you for a legitimate discussion-like response.

Yeah, I know I'm incapable of suspending my disbelief about the basis of this story and will likely never come to enjoy it even if I could sit through more than half an episode, but I was just hoping for some more in-depth details on why he disagreed with my analysis rather than just saying that I'm overthinking it is all. Though for argument's sake, I'd say their relationship dynamic is less cultural difference and more a lack of common sense.

(PS. I agree about Prison School. Ugh.)

 

[Rozoro]

@Nermie01 Even in Western society we have the concept of a dominant and submissive partner, the cultural aspect comes more from japan's overly superstitious culture, that (possibly?) spawned the belief that whoever confesses first will become the submissive partner. Yes, it's silly and nonsensical, but that is majorly the point. Their mental battle over who will get to wear the pants in their potential relationship is insane, the author, and even some of the students around them even point that out at various times, so the concept isn't exactly exactly glorified or anything.

Ultimately it's up to whether or not you find it enjoyable to watch them try to get each other to admit they like each other in excessively convoluted and dumb ways before they finally realize how dumb they have been acting this entire time, and how misguided their thoughts about how relationships work are.

 

[FranKING]

actually the concept of who confess first lost is totally nothing. only shinomiya really think of that battle because ishigami only want her to confess to him so that he can show to other that he can be the right person for shinomiya since she is the type of girl who can you only dream of.

 

[Rozoro]

@FranKING

Hmm? The first chapter absolutely establishes that as a concept that both Shirogane and Shinomiya wholeheartedly believe in.

None of the other students seem to of course, but both of the MC's very much believe in that supposed stereotype for a good portion of the manga.

 

[FranKING]

@Rozoro

yes, but there's a chapter that ishigami said that the reason why he wanted to confess for him to prove that he really deserve to be with shinomiya.