Keikenzumi na Kimi to, Keiken Zero na Ore ga, Otsukiai suru Hanashi - Vol. 5 Ch. 24

[Keykrion]

A lot of people are talking about social cues, and all sorts of other tangential aspects.
But this:

Then there's the fact that she's right in how forcing Ryuuto to confess as a punishment game is a d!ck move no matter the reasons and they're just lucky it turned out good for them this one time.

is absolutely correct and her core motivation for her arguement. As well as the fact that he genuinely doesn’t know her and she feels uncomfortable that as soon as having made contact he shoots his shot with reckless abandon. Some people just aren’t into the idea of getting to know your partner as you date, they would rather be in a relationship with someone they are already familiar with, and that’s a personal choice.

Don’t get me wrong I think she was overly harsh and certainly shouldn’t have gone that hard, but I find it difficult to simply say “she’s a bitch” and leave it at that.

 

[Jakeh24]

She wants someone to like her for more than her appearance, but Ijichi does like her for more than her appearance, he likes her for her personality too and specifically how she treated him when they went airsofting. It's not just that Ijichi has a hard time saying what he wants to say though, she's so upset from projecting onto him that she asked him what he likes about her in anger and didn't wait for a response because she just ASSUMES he only likes her for her looks.

She said it herself though, she really just wants to be confessed to by a guy that she already likes, or is at least clearly interested in. She is upset at him for acting without knowing how she feels, but for a guy like Ijichi, when she compared him to a male idol she liked that was the closest he ever got to being flirted with in his entire LIFE lol. That's about as clear a sign of interest as he ever thought he could get.

IMO she has a pretty immature view of confessions because she seems to think they're all or nothing, either acceptance and you start dating or rejection and both parties walk away hurt with an eternal schism between them. Runa's approach of giving dating a shot even though she didn't have feelings for Ryuuto when he confessed didn't just confuse her, she brought it up here because it UPSET her. She doesn't have the emotional maturity to empathize with Ijichi right now because of her past bad experiences or to consider getting to know him AFTER his confession to see if she might like him knowing he already likes her, whether by going out on dates or by just spending time together with their mutual friends. To be fair, she might just not like fat guys, but if that's true, and it likely is given her attitude later in the anime, she's even more immature for not saying that outright and talking all that shit about him only considering her looks.

This^ she's a bitch and our boy deserves the world so she can get fucked

 

[Angelonius]

ISTG the first time I heard the term "situationship" I lost my god damn mind. Just piecing it together from context clues, I couldn't believe just how dumb a concept it was let alone how unhealthy it was that people are willingly entering into these kinds of relationships.

Granted, it's great that there's more vocabulary to bring awareness to unhealthy relationship dynamics now that people are learning about psychology and openly talking about it, but sometimes I hear new words and popularized phrases that just make me question if we're actually going backwards as a society.... The worst is when therapy-speak is weaponized by selfish, immature, and sometimes downright narcissistic people. Hopefully it's just that we're more aware of it than before than that it's actually gotten any worse lol

It has gotten worse.

 

[PutuKa]

If he want to compare, it should be like comparing Vegeta with Yamcha

 

[herbderb98]

That bitch doesn't deserve our big boy

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

I always hate that rejection excuse of "you don't love me" . Bitch, who are you to tell me how I feel?

Spoiler

If it makes you any happier, she regrets every word of that for several more years. And it starts soon.

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

When fattie does some effort to actually shape up.

Heh. Just, heh.

 

[Kosnope]

Akari's right tho. Who the hell confesses so early, especially with the odds stacked against them so much? It's not tinder dating or whatever, why would she agree to date a guy she barely knows anything about and have interacted maybe 5 times overall and who in his current shape isn't attractive to her?
She even said herself that if he gave them more time she might have become interested in his personality (to offset him being uber-mega-fat), and vice versa, if he at least was attractive (and not a dick during what little interactions they had which he wasn't) she could give him a chance, although this one's less likely cuz I'm pretty sure she was confessed by hot guys before (judging by the phrase "she's always being confessed to").

 

[DaBlackMamba]

This^ she's a bitch and our boy deserves the world so she can get fucked

Wydm she's a bitch? She's not obligated to date him my guy.

 

[someonewhodraws]

I'll never forgive her for hurting my boy Itchy. "The worst she can say is no" my ass.

 

[dementati]

I'm so fucking pleased Ijichi and that other douche got called out for the forced confession, and in the most painful way possible. He totally deserved that. Why the fuck does she gotta be nice to some asshole who does that to his own friends? Clearly not dating material whatsoever. He should grow the fuck up, get in shape, find purpose in life and then maybe try his hand at a romantic relationship when he's fucking got something to bring to the table.

 

[Graywing]

Thank God he got called out for it. Confessing is a garbage way to ask someone out. It's even not really relevant in Japan anymore. All it does is put pressure on the person getting confessed to and then they look like the bad guy when rejecting. It's like proposing in a public place, if you haven't discussed that with your partner then you're a jerk.

 

[Graywing]

Hate to break it to you, but you're in an online comment section on a manga website. Plenty of us are neurodivergent and have a hard time picking up on social cues like that lol.

IDK if you were referring to me at all, but personally I don't think there's anything shameful about failing to pick up on such cues. Direct, authentic verbal communication is underrated and a skill that most people lack and punish others for having when they don't have it.

Being neurodivergent is no excuse. Social skills can be learned because they are exactly that. A skill. I'm in my 40s and grew up when being autistic didn't have the support that people have today. I took myself to therapy in college (it's free) and learned. I of course made mistakes but I was much better in college than I was in high school. Also, most women aren't direct because it can be dangerous for them when dealing out rejection. That should be common sense in this day and age.

 

[Orenji-kun]

Being neurodivergent is no excuse. Social skills can be learned because they are exactly that. A skill. I'm in my 40s and grew up when being autistic didn't have the support that people have today. I took myself to therapy in college (it's free) and learned. I of course made mistakes but I was much better in college than I was in high school. Also, most women aren't direct because it can be dangerous for them when dealing out rejection. That should be common sense in this day and age.

I can understand the need to handle rejecting someone delicately out of fear for your safety. I can't understand verbally attacking someone for not picking up on your nonverbal social cues and expressing attraction towards you when you thought it was clear that you hadn't considered them that way or have and are uninterested, and even though you hadn't said anything to the effect, think it's obvious that you're repulsed by their attraction even though you've been fine being friends till that point. Akari literally invalidates Ijichi's feelings here. Having social skills is no excuse for emotionally hurting someone lacking those skills for making you uncomfortable. Talking about uncomfortable truths, expressing your feelings, validating each others experiences, and taking accountability for poor behavior without anyone resorting to personal attacks, especially when they take advantage of emotional weaknesses shared in confidence, are all necessary parts of healthy, authentic relationships. Otherwise you're just always wearing a mask trying to manipulate each other into getting what you need from each other. Personally, I've had enough of that.

Also, have a little empathy for those of us who don't have access to free therapy. That shit can get really expensive. And even when you do have access, other factors can prevent you from getting good treatment like abusive parents or just not being able to find a therapist that's a good fit.

 

[Graywing]

I can understand the need to handle rejecting someone delicately out of fear for your safety. I can't understand verbally attacking someone for not picking up on your nonverbal social cues and expressing attraction towards you when you thought it was clear that you hadn't considered them that way or have and are uninterested, and even though you hadn't said anything to the effect, think it's obvious that you're repulsed by their attraction even though you've been fine being friends till that point. Akari literally invalidates Ijichi's feelings here. Having social skills is no excuse for emotionally hurting someone lacking those skills for making you uncomfortable. Talking about uncomfortable truths, expressing your feelings, validating each others experiences, and taking accountability for poor behavior without anyone resorting to personal attacks, especially when they take advantage of emotional weaknesses shared in confidence, are all necessary parts of healthy, authentic relationships. Otherwise you're just always wearing a mask trying to manipulate each other into getting what you need from each other. Personally, I've had enough of that.

Also, have a little empathy for those of us who don't have access to free therapy. That shit can get really expensive. And even when you do have access, other factors can prevent you from getting good treatment like abusive parents or just not being able to find a therapist that's a good fit.

I understand that getting therapy can be tough but it's something that may have to be done for one to move forward. Unfortunately neurotypical people don't have much issues with reading the room. They're also teens even if they're not neurodivergent they're going to have a problem with empathy as it's not really fully developed at that age. I've also had hard times with therapy. For it to be free when I was in college I had to start with group therapy which meant opening myself up to strangers before I could move to one on one. Family was also an issue for me as my father who grew up an army brat didn't believe in it and believed in corporal punishment (which he learned from his father). He wasn't too happy when he found out. Thought it was cowardly. But it was the best choice for me as it helped me grow and I ended up experiencing new things as I learned to leave my comfort zone. I say this to anyone, if you can get access to therapy, do it. It may take time but that's fine as self improvement is a lifelong journey. And it's always beneficial to be better than you were yesterday.