Kitaku Tochuu de Yome to Musume ga Dekita n dakedo, Dragon datta. - Vol. 1 Ch. 5

[laststand0810]

Shot fired oooooooh!! What chu gonna do now beaches

 

[Umesan]

That Godspeed Soar ability of Kunpei needs to be explained someday. Is he the modern version of a fantasy Yuusha?

Or just a mantra for him to run or jump fast?

 

[aFFi]

@VladDracul2
Like Granitefish said... also, she just decided, alone by herself, to identify herself has his wife... in front of a potential love interest of his. I'm pretty sure she did it on purpose, which means that she actively chose to screw his life further.

Also, she's 250 years old, he's not even an adult yet... he's still in high school for heaven's sake...

So, let's compare "fairly":
She's a 250 years old eternal dragon that wanted kids more than anything, so she laid eggs multiple times already. Her only dream was to have a family. She also seems jealous for no reasons and with no acceptable justification. And I'm guessing she probably had something to do with the eggs suddenly choosing him as a father (seeing that the thief was a man, and they did not react to him).
Now, he's 16-17 years old mortal human. He had dreams and a future. Now he's a father of kids he didn't want, with someone who he doesn't know, without having sex or taking any risks of becoming a dad, forced by the government to help raise the kid,he's probably still a virgin and will never have a romance other than this forced one with a creepily old dragon. All that because he saved her eggs as a good Samaritan.

How is that comparable again?
It's like you save a baby from a house fire, but the dad dies... so now you're forced to be its dad...

 

[ForcedFun]

@aFFi I'd say its more like you got black out drunk and then 9 months later a girl you don't know shows up with your kids. Blood tests confirm the kids are yours and the government legally recognizes that. Its pretty blatant that MC's blood was what "fertilized" the eggs so saying they're not his kids are bullshit. He just didn't get to make them the human way(read: the fun way).

Interesting how many people here define "getting a family" as "having your life ruined." Sure if you're a mongrel who resents reality and has no sense of personal responsibility this might be your definition of having your life ruined, but most dudes instinctively desire a family. There are very few tasks you can complete in this world that hold greater meaning than raising kids.

Also not sure why people think the MC is going to be virgin for life. His babymama is just innocent and ignorant is all, she doesn't know anything about human males. Considering their respective elements when they finally fuck they'll probably summon a goddamn thunderstorm. I don't know what thunderstorm sex feels like but shit I'd be down.

As well, his waifu literally shits diamonds. He's set for life, all he has do is raise his adorable daughters. Oh the inhumanity.

 

[aFFi]

@ForcedFun
Damn, that's some crappy reasoning...
He didn't get blackout drunk, he actually seems pretty responsible, so no, that's definitely not the same.
It's more like he went into a alcohol free bar, got GHB in his drink, got fucked while unconscious, and then 9 months later, his rapist comes with twins to force him to be a dad.

Also, yeah, having kids you didn't want at 16-17 years old is ruining your life. And we aren't really in the middle ages anymore, they're a fuck ton of things that have great meaning in today's society.
You really don't have to have kids to have a fulfilling life.

I never said he'll be a virgin for life, I just said he doesn't seems to have a choice as to who he gets to fuck.
They have more than 230 years in age difference... He pretty much got forced to marry an old grandma, with no choice given to him... yep, forced marriage, funny how if you invert the sexes it suddenly shocks people.

And finally... NO, she doesn't shit diamonds. The precious gems she made where unfertilised eggs...
We learned that dragon have eggs when they want babies, and only then... she now has babies, so no more gems.

 

[Captaininvictus]

you have worms in your brain

 

[ForcedFun]

@aFFi He put his blood on the eggs. It might of been an accident, he might of been ignorant, but he still did it. The kids are definitely his, no one elses, he wasn't cucked. Like I said, only a fucking mongrel abandons his children. I'm not sure if the author intended it this way but I'm reading this as a commentary on how terrible modern parents act these days. If this was an American couple the mother would be all "Take the kids today its girls night out~" and the dude would be "Goddammit is it too late for abortion?" Couples today will divorce each other and throw away their kids just because they're not "happy." This is really the biggest thing for me - if they were not in fact his kids, I would denounce the mother as a vicious THOT and fully support the MC fighting such bullshit.

It might not be fair or just or even logical really, but the fact is the kids are his and MC is a man of honor because he's accepting that.

I would be very interested to hear what you define as having equal meaning to raise your kids. Saving lives is meaningful. Serving your community is meaningful. Raising children is meaningful. "Happiness" is not meaningful, which is sadly what the typical American pursues relentlessly day in and out.

Tons of people in these threads have been bitching about his virginity, the latter half of my comment wasn't necessarily directed at you. As if getting laid is the most important achievement MC could have accomplished and not I dunno saving a species from near extinction.

Can't really compare age difference when talking about cross-species. For all we know FeMC is still considered a minor by dragon standards. Regardless I don't see how having an eternally youthful wife is a negative. Rather than "forced marriage", its "I accidentally and unintentionally made some kids while trying to do a good deed and now I have to take responsibility."

It literally said she's been stockpiling the crystallized eggs because she didn't want to throw them out. Alls they gotta do is auction one off once and awhile.

And yeah, if you switched the sexes, it'd probably be more fucked up(the details sort of matter, obviously the old dragon man in this case wouldn't be the one laying the egg so we don't know enough to say exactly how fucked up it would be). Buts thats because men and women are different, regardless of how much feminists shout they are not. Society has always been shit to men - working the fields all day, being sent to die in a war for someone else's gain, having to be the primary caretaker for a large extended family(That whole going to war thing? It was often the case it was the comrade's duty to take care of his fallen battle-brothers' family, the government sure as shit wasn't gonna do anything about it), and ooh is that smallpox? "Get fucked peasant." Reality is shitty, unfair, unjust, unkind, and suffering is the default state of humanity. The reason men of honor and integrity have been revered and held up as standards of human behavior for thousands of years is because they manned the fuck up, did not curse the heavens for their fate, and rose above it all while still doing the right thing.

This guy is literally a male version of Daenarys, he is the Father of Dragons. He'll be a goddamn global legend when its known. Considering how much support he's receiving from his father/brother as well as magic mouse man I'm just saiyan this situation is not nearly as awful for the MC as people want to make it out to be(on top of the whole, y'know, they're-his-goddamn-fucking-kids thing and will literally die without his presence). Its fucking crazy anyone would think he should just let the kids die because notmyproblemIdidnttouchthatbitch.

tl;dr you say cuck, I say man of honor doing the right thing.

 

[Keetonman]

Why do you people argue about this shit?

It's fiction.

 

[Granitefish]

@forcedfun Right, that's kind of like tricking a kid who doesn't know how babies are made into having sex, then having their baby and forcing them to take care of them. Which can be called statutory rape. Babies change a lot of things, you now have to take care of that baby instead of doing a lot of other stuff you may have wanted to do. and you also have used the "they instinctively want it" argument which, like now, has been used to justify male rape.

 

[ribbitribbitsaga]

they should already be sleeping though since she's stated she's his wife right?

 

[ForcedFun]

@GraniteFish Except he wasn't raped, he willingly put his blood on the egg. He just didn't know what that would do. Tbf the girl didn't know either, she stated she didn't know how to hatch them. "They instinctively want it" refers to raising a family, not to getting randomly fucked by a broad and having your genes stolen. That wasn't the case here; both parents are ignorant/naive about the process.

I'm not saying he should fully jump into this and waiting on the mother's every word. But the basic premise that "Hey my kids can't eat without me" means choosing to kick the girl out, regardless of his reasons for doing so, is the same thing as killing the kids. Is he going to look his own father in the eye and let him know MC wants his grandchildren to die? I dunno man, living with a cutie innocent girl and receiving support from your family, the government, and magic mouse sages seems like the far easier choice than letting your kids die and being eternally ostracized/hated by everyone you know and love.

The kids aren't responsible for any of this crap. Alls they know is they finally found dad. Telling them to die for their sin of being born is all kinds of fucked up.

The symbolic meaning of him hatching the eggs is of a man & woman unintentionally, accidentally creating children and having to deal with the repercussions. The fact his children cannot be fed without his presence is further symbolic of how abandonment is an absolute cruelty to an innocent child.

 

[Granitefish]

@ForcedFun Statutory Rape is Statutory Rape whether or not the child was willing or not. And while she didn't know HOW to hatch the eggs she wanted them hatched, and him being the father seems to be a satisfactory result. I am not advocating that he abandon the children but we need to acknowledge that her situation is nothing like his, and that they shouldn't be forcing more onto him than he can take at the time. He is caring for the children. Her forcing the issue of being his "wife" is too far. He doesn't need to be her Husband to care for the children, and just saying she's his wife without giving a full explanation complicates his life even further.

 

[jokerxhisoka]

and here i thought this was a pure vanilla manga, but ppl are discussing about rape

 

[aFFi]

@Granitefish
You're talking to a wall, it's useless trying to argue with someone who basically said "old female adult can have sex with male kid, but old male adult having sex with female kid is bad".

And yeah, if you switched the sexes, it'd probably be more fucked up(the details sort of matter, obviously the old dragon man in this case wouldn't be the one laying the egg so we don't know enough to say exactly how fucked up it would be). Buts thats because men and women are different, regardless of how much feminists shout they are not.

That guy/gal (pretty sure guy, seeing the rhetoric) seems to prefer how things were in medieval ages (or the middle east). Everything has to be black or white, never grey.

Things he said in ignorance are starting to piss me off... I have friends (one brother and a sister) that were adopted by a pretty wealthy couple, and if their parents didn't abandon them, they would probably be prostituting themselves, or just be dead from malnourishment... So when I hear general statements like "abandonment is an absolute cruelty to an innocent child", I get how ignorant the person is and stop arguing.

No point in wasting your breath. I know I won't.

 

[ForcedFun]

@GraniteFish Lets review the situation from from FeMC's perspective:

-Be alone for decades, want children/family but don't even know how to make them
-Most of the eggs you produce are dead on arrival
-Finally get 2 good ones and some mother fucker comes into your house and steals them
-Suddenly a hero emerges and rescues your unhatched children from the would-be kidnapper
-But wait theres more, this guy randomly hatches the eggs you had no clue about as soon as he touches them
-And then you're told you can't feed your children without your partner's daily presence
-At least your partner is a great guy with outstanding moral character, comes from a solid family who are all willing to help out. They have a grandfather who more or less seems pretty thrilled about the whole thing.
-Suddenly, a challenger appears...

And thats where this chapter leaves off. I'm not saying she has a right to proclaim herself his wife and throw away his chances when any other girls... but from her perspective, its very natural for her to have a mild panic response to the sudden appearance of a rival. In fact, I would view it as a redflag if she didn't react negatively here - it would be a sign that she doesn't actually give a shit about him as long as he's providing for the kids. Warding off potential love interests might be a selfish decision from her(and again, I recognize that this is a morally dubious act considering the circumstances that led to her finding her children's father), but romantic love always has a bit of an inherent selfishness to it. If you actually like someone, it is very normal to overreact to the mere potential of them seeing someone else. It would be a sign that she does not have any romantic interest in him if she did not react at all.

Its not like I don't see where y'all are coming from, I get it, modern feminism has thoroughly tilted the legal and cultural power in a relationship to that of the woman. But I'm just sitting here rooting for MC and his newfound family to be happy. As well as awaiting the day when he teaches her a little something something about how humans make babies(who knows, she might be able to have regular human children when done that way).

 

[Hikarie]

As expected of a dragon showing dominance over other girls

 

[ForcedFun]

@aFFi Right back at you buddy. For your anecdote, condemning your child to malnourishment or prostitution is already a form of abandonment. You can abandon your child and still be "present" in their life without fulfilling any of your responsibilities.

I don't see how not wanting the kids to die for the sake of punishing the mother is "medieval". From my point of view you're fucked in the head if you think MC shouldn't try to make this work.

 

[roetheboat]

Given the fact that the dragon was completely unaware of how to hatch her eggs (shown repeatedly in the first two chapters) and how the guy was also unaware, I don’t think it was a ploy by either side. It’s basically a situation like where two teenagers who weren’t given proper sex-ed experiment with sex because they aren’t aware of the risk and then the female gets pregnant.

She may BE 250 years old, but she already told us that she spent 210 of those years at home. Obviously there is a difference in terms of maturation for dragons. As to why the mother didn’t give her daughter the Birds and the Bees talk, your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Granitefish]

@affi we do need to acknowledge as well that in this case he can't just abandon them to another family, but in my opinion all that should be expected of him is to assist in the nursing process. the majority of this case comes from her being irresponsible, why did she never ask her mother how to hatch them, and him being unlucky in being a good Samaritan. and Roe the main difference in your theoretical situation is the the female still wanted to get pregnant she just didn't know how.

 

[Tsudow]

The wife is jealous.

Oh boy