Koisuru (Otome) no Tsukurikata - Vol. 5 Ch. 45

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Considering the last few chapters, I can easily see why this had the whole Trans debacle. This is very EASILY construed as a trans coming out, that said, how the author handles the rest of the story will make or break that, and tbh considering the bonus chapter about Hiura looking ecstatic about the fake breasts, I feel like it just being 2 dudes in love comes into question, Midou's "What if Hiura was a Girl" is also (personally) extremely suspect and, from my reading experience, is a cornerstone of most Genderbend/Trans stories.

Pure batshit speculation here but; I could see a plot twist where Hiura's parents are both Trans but Hiura never knew/mistook things they said as negativity instead of however they intended.

Idk, something about how this was meant to be a story about 2 dudes feels like the author somehow stumbled into writing a Trans-coded plot on accident...
Either way, I hope they get together, cute is cute.
I know right? I thought it was just me who felt Hiura's mom had a more masculine figure, I'd mistake her for Hiura's brother/sister tbh

unfortunately if you're looking at collarbones, I found that Hiura's mom had a "flat" collarbone (same as the girls) instead of an "L" collarbone (same as the boys), so this might not be the case...
 
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I've always read it as Hiura not being trans. At minimum, he doesn't see himself as trans. If this becomes a trans self discovery thing, then cool, but that's one of the many complicated feelings that has to be worked out.
For now, he sees himself as a crossdressing guy, with a number of feminine tastes, and that's what I'll see him as until his views change.
For me it's always been super gender queer coded, if not necessarily transfem at least trans non binary. Like, that kind of gender euphoria doesn't happen to people without gender identity issues.
 
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For me it's always been super gender queer coded, if not necessarily transfem at least trans non binary. Like, that kind of gender euphoria doesn't happen to people without gender identity issues.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hiura identify as trans, but his identity isn't something he's wrestled with yet. Actually, he probably hasn't even considered the fact that trans people exist. Until he does, I feel like insisting he's trans is like insisting a trans woman is a man.

I enjoy crossdressing, and relate a lot with Hiura. If the LGBTQ movement hit mainstream while I was still in Elementary school, I'd probably say I'm Trans, but my current opinion is that I'm comfortable as just a crossdressing boy. I would be pretty annoyed if people tried to tell me I'm something I've decided I'm not.

I do think there's a high chance of Hiura eventually grappling with their identity, and probably deciding they are trans, but I think it's just as valid for Hiura to stay a crossdressing man, with some feminine traits, just like Mido has a few feminine traits.
 
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I agree that the story is pretty trans-coded. But I’d say that it’s just partly because there’s a lot of similarities between femboys and trans girls, and Hiura’s been kind of straddling that line. I could really see this going either way.

Now, Hiura’s parents both being trans is a wild prediction, lol. I cannot see that happening, but it would be pretty funny if you were correct on this.
I throw it out cause I have read the same twist once before, and I think it's a pretty cute way to throw in representation in a way that doesn't steal the main spotlight from the main cast's target demographic(s).
Y'never know when an outlier bet wins against the odds~ (Plus it's just fun to 'What-If')
I mean, the most I can confidently say is that it's an allegory for it, whether intentionally or not, and I can understand people relating to it, but making a hardline change to the script like what happened is too far. [...]
Either way, it not being stated in the script was the author's choice so choosing one of these interpretations and putting it in the title and script was a really bad decision that I strongly disagreed with.
Absolutely, the drama was the entire reason I wanted to read this manga because I was curious how it could have happened, but it's been wild seeing how trans-coded it really happened to turn out. I can see why the Localization team thought it would have been okay, but messing with an author's vision is exactly what's wrong with a lot of media-corps these days.
I'm personally in the first camp with a bit of the third being unintentional on the author's part. I don't think Hiura would have really gone this route if Midou wasn't infatuated with his appearance with make-up, so to me my interpretation has been it's a means to an end, and a reason to come out of his shell. He's happy because his cross-dressing was a gateway to a healthier social life and brings him closer to his romantic goals, not necessarily because it has to do with him feeling more comfortable with his identity.
I appreciate hearing your stance, nothing really to add, just wanted to say this was a beautiful plot summation.
 
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The author of this manga explicitly stated hiura is a crossdressing boy.

Why are we still having this conversation or "theory" that he's trans?
Authors have accidentally written trans and gay characters since gender was constructed. There is serious potential for "death of the author, birth of the reader" going on here and to try to snuff out either interpretation at this point of trans allegory is dumb
 
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Considering the last few chapters, I can easily see why this had the whole Trans debacle. This is very EASILY construed as a trans coming out, that said, how the author handles the rest of the story will make or break that, and tbh considering the bonus chapter about Hiura looking ecstatic about the fake breasts, I feel like it just being 2 dudes in love comes into question, Midou's "What if Hiura was a Girl" is also (personally) extremely suspect and, from my reading experience, is a cornerstone of most Genderbend/Trans stories.

Pure batshit speculation here but; I could see a plot twist where Hiura's parents are both Trans but Hiura never knew/mistook things they said as negativity instead of however they intended.

Idk, something about how this was meant to be a story about 2 dudes feels like the author somehow stumbled into writing a Trans-coded plot on accident...
Either way, I hope they get together, cute is cute.


Personally I think this, and other comments along these lines above, are pretty twisted. Not in, like, a sick way, but in a ideologically caged way. Hiura is having fun cosplaying and more specifically looking good for Midou, which originally, and still is, the whole reason he's doing this. It just so happens to turn out that he seems to like crossdressing and not being traditionally masculine.

These characters are only "trans-coded" if you view it purely through a trans lens and nothing else. This line of thinking only makes sense if you competently ignore all the societal context behind otokonoko in the first place, instead substituting it for a transgender context much more native to western lines of thinking.

THAT is why the whole controversy and localizer fuck up happened with 7S and why they had to re-write the entire story after this line of thinking was shown to be wrong.

There ARE trans manga and anime out there, this just isn't one of them and inserting these theories here is frankly a waste does more harm than good, only further purpetrating the idea that trans people like to push their ideology into everything, espically where it doesn't belong..
 
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thanks for the translation!

hiura nows the chance for you to get the blessings for your marriage and to confess your love for midou! a duck carrying a leek!
 
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Personally I think this, and other comments along these lines above, are pretty twisted. Not in, like, a sick way, but in a ideologically caged way. Hiura is having fun cosplaying and more specifically looking good for Midou, which originally, and still is, the whole reason he's doing this. It just so happens to turn out that he seems to like crossdressing and not being traditionally masculine.
This is why I specifically pointed out the Bonus chapter with the false breasts, Aside from that, Hiura hasn't shown many signs I personally consider Trans-Coded things, being in love is universal, but in the end Hiura IS canonically still Male for all intents and purposes.
These characters are only "trans-coded" if you view it purely through a trans lens and nothing else. This line of thinking only makes sense if you competently ignore all the societal context behind otokonoko in the first place, instead substituting it for a transgender context much more native to western lines of thinking.
This is a fair point, but of course I'm gonna view things in a Trans-Biased way, using personal biases to further connect with a character or series creating alternative scenarios or situations to further explore the characters' traits, non-canonical events to further contextualize the beauty in the Canon series of events, I find it to be the whole point of fiction in general.
THAT is why the whole controversy and localizer fuck up happened with 7S and why they had to re-write the entire story after this line of thinking was shown to be wrong.
Saying it's wrong is a poor wording, but I can understand what you mean. Like what I said in response to Narehate's reply, an author's vision for their story is to be respected. Just because I like to talk about non-canonical outcomes and aspects doesn't negate the canonical happenings, I'm not telling the author to change fuck all, this is an adorable story.
There ARE trans manga and anime out there, this just isn't one of them and inserting these theories here is frankly a waste does more harm than good, only further purpetrating the idea that trans people like to push their ideology into everything, espically where it doesn't belong..
If it truly doesn't belong here I ask the mods remove it, but what good is reading a story if you don't try to learn something about yourself from it? Not every story has something to be learned at face value, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to be gained from looking introspectively regardless.

If all my hyperbole and what-if'ing is really as dangerous as you make it out to be, then I'll gladly make amends, but for now I'm just gonna keep enjoying the things I do for fun
<3 Thank you for your insight and PoV on the matter!
 
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Honestly, they should have made it so that when the mom walks in she sees Midou going ham and fucking Hiura. Balls slapping as they have homo sex, sweating, ending Hiura's bloodline. 10/10.
Telling her works too though.

Thanks for the TL
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Honestly, they should have made it so that when the mom walks in she sees Midou going ham and fucking Hiura. Balls slapping as they have homo sex, sweating, ending Hiura's bloodline. 10/10.
Telling her works too though.

Thanks for the TL
You're back! I missed seeing your weird comments every time I opened the comment section. :kek:
 
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The reason that Hiura hasn't been explicitly made a trans character is probably because the Japanese government would take it down. Like, they have the ability to just... remove media that they deem to be a little too fruity.

It's the same reason a lot of yaoi follow the same heteronormative "feminine and masculine guy" trope.

Regardless I believe in death of the author so Hiura is definitely a trans character.
 
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Holy shit I love you for translating this!!! I kinda forgot ab this when I heard it got licensed. I was at a point were i was considering learing Japanese just to translate the chapters myself. Thank you so much!!!
 
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This is why I specifically pointed out the Bonus chapter with the false breasts, Aside from that, Hiura hasn't shown many signs I personally consider Trans-Coded things, being in love is universal, but in the end Hiura IS canonically still Male for all intents and purposes.

How's it trans coded for a guy to naturally wanna know what breast feel like?

Please for once just see past yourself. Stop injecting a trans reading in literally anything short of a guy who wants to experience an ounce of femininity. It's getting ridiculous...
 
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For me it's always been super gender queer coded, if not necessarily transfem at least trans non binary. Like, that kind of gender euphoria doesn't happen to people without gender identity issues.
It does though. Hiura euphoria doesn't come from the fact that he became closer to the ideal of his internal gender, but because dressing as a girl made him feel pretty, and this helped with his low self esteem, also dressing as a girl made him able to catch the eyes of Midou, his love interest
It's important to remember that this work exists in the context of BL/Yaoi
 

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