Kono Koi wo Hoshi ni wa Negawanai - Vol. 5 Ch. 23

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To be honest I was thinking more on on the demisexual end but from what she said, but from what we've seen it seems more asexual to me.
Demi is something that comes to mind but that usually requires a strong emotional connection, which doesn't seem to be the case for her, at least regarding her past relationships. That's why I thought some microlabel on the aromantic spectrum and sex neutral/favourable asexual might describe her best. That's just a guess though, don't think the author had any specific orientation in mind while writing this
 
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Where are people getting the idea the story is over?

If I were to box Eri, I would say she's an asexual/demiromantic person. She is just incapable of recognizing her "love" for Fuyuki as romantic because it lacks a physical dimension to it. She wouldn't be the first, nor she'll be the last, who feels that way.
 
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As someone who personally fits more on the demi side of the spectrum of attraction, I enjoyed this ending a lot. It's not a perfect solution, it's messy, it risks so much more possible future emotional stress and pain, BUT:
  • Relationships in real life are messy, imperfect, complicated works of finding compromises between the parties involved. They're not simple solutions of just saying "I love you!" and everything working out perfectly. They just aren't.
  • Eri's being honest about what kind of person she is and, frankly, how poorly she operates at taking care of the things and people she treasures, and her poorness in handling that has contributed to a lot of pain for the characters in this story. And even with that, she's honest again about her selfish wish to have Fuyuki in her life anyways. Again, it's messy. It's imperfect. It's human.
  • Us as the reader can thus interpret how this relationship will grow and change in the future we come up with in our own heads. I know this is a total cop-out point to make, but like...at the end of the day, how we choose to carry on with these stories is the most important part of how we process them.

If you don't like it, you don't have to. I just know that I really do like it.

I also kinda like that it's so atypical of what we often see in romance stories in manga. So often it's just a "I love you!" and the series ends, and it's all very surface-level and scripted (yes, it's a story, but even then).

Eri clearly sees Fuyuki as someone of utmost importance to her, to the extent that she's willing to try and change her entire way of behaving and perceiving if it means she can keep Fuyuki in her life. It might not be "romantic/sexual love/attraction", but it's something incredibly immense and significant.
There's every chance that this ends tragically for them both, but I do think it can be confidently said that even if Fuyuki and Eri's exact feelings of love for one another are different in how they could be described & defined, the amount and extent to which they love one another are congruent.

And for them, I think that might be enough, especially as Eri's shown to be mutable in how she acts toward the person she's with, over time and with the requisite initiation on her partner's part. And with how much she's always treasured Fuyuki, even above any active partner she's had, now that it is Fuyuki, I have to imagine she'll find it even easier to meet Fuyuki halfway and in an authentic manner, at least eventually.
 
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Damn I love this manga this whole chapter was beautiful both artistically and story wise. That conversation felt so raw and real and I relate to it a lot, and these sorts of messy relationships are so nice to see depicted rather than the normal ones we see. Whichever way this goes, whether they stay together or not, I know I'll enjoy it
 
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Ngl this is the most clear relationship dialogue I’ve ever seen in yuri series. Impressive
They really had a mature and uncomfortable discussion and made decisions with everything on the table. Neither of them is naive about the future but they're both willing to take the chance. Isn't that what dating is anyway? I don't think most relationships start with this clear laying out of things. It's great. Eri really took the situation seriously, thought hard about how to move forward and Fuyuki accepted the proposal. I see no issues. They're both mature enough to make these decisions and it's abundantly clear how much intense love and care they have for one another.
 
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Shinoa hasn't said anything about this being the ending or the final volume to our knowledge, we're hoping we get more to flesh out their relationship and where things go from here.
Well we've got at least 2 more chapters to wrap the volume. I always thought this would be the final one but yeah we'll see.
 
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As someone who personally fits more on the demi side of the spectrum of attraction, I enjoyed this ending a lot. It's not a perfect solution, it's messy, it risks so much more possible future emotional stress and pain, BUT:
  • Relationships in real life are messy, imperfect, complicated works of finding compromises between the parties involved. They're not simple solutions of just saying "I love you!" and everything working out perfectly. They just aren't.
  • Eri's being honest about what kind of person she is and, frankly, how poorly she operates at taking care of the things and people she treasures, and her poorness in handling that has contributed to a lot of pain for the characters in this story. And even with that, she's honest again about her selfish wish to have Fuyuki in her life anyways. Again, it's messy. It's imperfect. It's human.
  • Us as the reader can thus interpret how this relationship will grow and change in the future we come up with in our own heads. I know this is a total cop-out point to make, but like...at the end of the day, how we choose to carry on with these stories is the most important part of how we process them.

If you don't like it, you don't have to. I just know that I really do like it.

Yea, I'm demiace and I also really loved this development.

It's pretty crazy of some folks here acting as if it's impossible for people to change and settle into relationship dynamics, even if it starts out with issues. The two of them already talking about it and knowing of the presence of the imbalance is leagues ahead of countless IRL couples with far more unhealthy imbalances that barely anybody ever bats an eye at.
 
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They really had a mature and uncomfortable discussion and made decisions with everything on the table. Neither of them is naive about the future but they're both willing to take the chance. Isn't that what dating is anyway? I don't think most relationships start with this clear laying out of things. It's great. Eri really took the situation seriously, thought hard about how to move forward and Fuyuki accepted the proposal. I see no issues. They're both mature enough to make these decisions and it's abundantly clear how much intense love they have for one another.
I keep saying the same thing over and over, but I think my favorite part is that Eri didn't just go "oh I do actually love you, after all! It's totally the same kind, and I realize that now after all that hard thinking I done did."

Nope - she's fully aware that she doesn't understand the exact type of love that Fuyuki has for her. But, she understands that it's there and that it's real, and that she and Fuyuki care about each other just as much, if not in exactly the same manner.

And to reiterate on the same point I've made elsewhere - I think that might be good enough, in their singular case.
Fuyuki makes Eri's world brighter. Even if Eri never actually initiates a kiss or an "I love you", she'll respond completely to Fuyuki whenever the latter does or says the same. It might be less important to "label or define" what Eri feels for Fuyuki, than it is for them both to understand and internalize that the label or definition is secondary to the fact that the intensity and depth of her feelings for Fuyuki are undeniably real.

And I think that their decision to pursue something together, even if it might hurt them both at some point in the future, is beautiful, and authentic to their characters this whole way through.
 
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Well we've got at least 2 more chapters to wrap the volume. I always thought this would be the final one but yeah we'll see.
I could see it being a short time skip of each chapter, and potentially even have the penultimate be returning to chapter 1, with the final chapter being some sort of "epilogue" of sorts, that's less focused on specific stuff in the timeline but more just a narration from Fuyuki and Eri both (potentially) that reflects on their time together.

Especially if this ultimately sees them parting ways and not ending up together, then the final chapter could just be a "closure" meeting between them down the line, or something.

I very much hope it works out for them, simply because I'm a very big "happiness wins" kind of human. But it'll be neat to see how the start of this is tied into the conclusion, and what exactly is in store for these two (and the guy, I guess).
 
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Well we've got at least 2 more chapters to wrap the volume. I always thought this would be the final one but yeah we'll see.
Since we haven't had any news about it, the entire team has been just waiting for any sort confirmation from Shinoa or their editors social media for any news about it about the end to see if we're done in 2, or have another 5 after. lol
 
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Since we haven't had any news about it, the entire team has been just waiting for any sort confirmation from Shinoa or their editors social media for any news about it about the end to see if we're done in 2, or have another 5 after. lol
Trust me, I've been doing the same. Anytime a new tweet or post shows up I rush to it but it's also always a retweet lol. Then you start reading between the lines to find any hints.
 
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I knew it was significant that Eri never seemed to be the one to proactively pursue a relationship in all the moments we've seen.
This would mark the first time she was, though - and it being for Fuyuki, makes perfect sense.

I don't know if there's "an orientation" that can be easily ascribed to Eri; it feels like some sort of mix of aro/ace and demi-for-Fuyuki, but she's clearly never been one to recognize romantic or sexual attraction of her own accord.

Which, as cruel and selfish as she admits to being in expressing her desire to keep Fuyuki in her life, I see the logic in what she's saying: if she has fallen for others in the past upon learning their own desires for her, then fully knowing that Fuyuki loves her, romantically in addition to as a friend, then the more Eri is made to focus on Fuyuki, the more that feeling will build up within her.

I do think it was significant when she said "I've never thought about kissing you, but I've never thought that about anyone before" for the same reason. She's obviously done things with partners in the past, but she's never instigated it, never felt that impulse without the other person initiating. And when they break up, she never seems....I guess "broken up" about it, insofar as she's devastated; she's always just moved forward.

Fuyuki is the outlier. Eri fully fell apart when Fuyuki left her side. We see it start slowly with Senpai's existence being revealed, we see her crumble completely after their big fight and Fuyuki walked out. She might have always thought "friend" when it came to Fuyuki, but I'm of the opinion that she only used "friend" because there didn't exist a word to describe the full immensity of what Fuyuki means to her.

It might not be "romantic love", at least not yet, but Eri considers Fuyuki the most important thing in the world to her, and she's decided that she'll try to shift her entire personality and sense of attraction and proximity if it means Fuyuki will stay by her side. It's incredibly selfish, because Fuyuki can only imagine that it might fall apart down the line, if their mutual desires never align, but I think Eri's asking that Fuyuki not focus on that, and simply give them both the chance, because Fuyuki is important enough to try.

And I think that's the key point. Whatever Eri's sexuality, or her romantic tendencies, or whether she truly believes it would work out between them in the long run - all of that is secondary to the fact that for her, Fuyuki is everything. Her most precious treasure, and I expect that she'd do anything to not lose that, including "faking it until she makes it", as it were.

It's very much not a "nice and tidy happy conclusion" to this buildup thus far, but it feels very appropriate for them both. Life isn't always sunshine and daisies, and even those most important to us can cause us immeasurable pain, even with the best of intentions.
They have been so close, and are so important to one another, that simply disregarding all tha we've seen up to this point to just say "and they lived happily ever after" would be a disservice to the effort that they've both sought to put into this relationship, both before and especially going forward.

What a fantastic chapter, and story. I very much look forward to where these two go from here.
Thanks for the translation and continued efforts in putting this together for us.

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Thinking about it a bit more - I will say that I don't know if it will ultimately work out between them; Fuyuki clearly wants more than Eri might ever end up being able to give, but I also kind of think that Eri considers Fuyuki so important that, even if they don't end up on the same romantic wavelength, Fuyuki would effectively have Eri monopolized, all the same.
If their label is "girlfriends" or "partners" or "wives" or whatever, Eri's committed to keeping Fuyuki in her life, and that might just take the form of them being, if not explicitly intimate, then like "best friends who live together and maybe sometimes kiss and have sex or something". And even "best friends" feels insufficient for what Eri actually feels for Fuyuki.

Like, I'm not even sure if a label can be put to them, much less whether it's even necessary. Fuyuki is Eri's whole world, just like Eri is Fuyuki's. Even if the exact timbre of their feelings for one another don't align, the immensity of their feelings seems very much mutual, and that feels significant enough that Fuyuki might be able to find happiness with Eri after all.
Well put, those were basically my thoughts on the chapter (and their whole relationship) too. This whole journey has been a showcase of Eri's feelings towards Fuyuki, despite not being romantic in the traditional sense, are still in an entirely different category than her feelings towards literally everyone else.

The conclusion to this past arc turned out to be much better than I was expecting.
 
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Well put, those were basically my thoughts on the chapter (and their whole relationship) too. This whole journey has been a showcase of Eri's feelings towards Fuyuki, despite not being romantic in the traditional sense, are still in an entirely different category than her feelings towards literally everyone else.

The conclusion to this past arc turned out to be much better than I was expecting.
I'm just really glad I turned the corner and went back and really re-read everything multiple times.
I stumbled into this around chapter 19 or so, and after catching all the way back up, very much did not like Eri whatsoever and wanted Fuyuki to bail before she got hurt any more than she'd already been. (Because in her shoes, I would have, at that point in time).

But, I realized I was engaging with this story entirely incorrectly - and taking the time to fully delve into each character and what they were saying (and not saying) and making that effort, I've grown to appreciate everything about this title in ways that almost feel like a "level up" moment in terms of reading and analyzing literature. And Eri has actually become a standout favorite for me, because of how different, and yet authentic, she is in her approach to all of the "conventional genre" concepts.

It's just a very atypical story, both in how it represents romance, but also how it represents storytelling and the idea of "what a happy/good ending can mean". Compared to a lot of romance manga, this point of the story could be seen as actually bad and tragic, because they're not on the same wavelength - but that's absolutely not the case, and it's just telling a human story about human feelings and relationships from a very uncommon perspective.
And Fuyuki and Eri feel singular to me in terms of characters I've personally seen depicted, but they're written so well and with such love and care that I can't help but love them, including all their flaws and messy ways.

And I really respect the author for that, and I have been chomping at the bit seeing the raws completed and was checking MD every day since the end of September waiting for this release.
 
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I'm just really glad I turned the corner and went back and really re-read everything multiple times.
I stumbled into this around chapter 19 or so, and after catching all the way back up, very much did not like Eri whatsoever and wanted Fuyuki to bail before she got hurt any more than she'd already been. (Because in her shoes, I would have, at that point in time).

But, I realized I was engaging with this story entirely incorrectly - and taking the time to fully delve into each character and what they were saying (and not saying) and making that effort, I've grown to appreciate everything about this title in ways that almost feel like a "level up" moment in terms of reading and analyzing literature. And Eri has actually become a standout favorite for me, because of how different, and yet authentic, she is in her approach to all of the "conventional genre" concepts.

It's just a very atypical story, both in how it represents romance, but also how it represents storytelling and the idea of "what a happy/good ending can mean". Compared to a lot of romance manga, this point of the story could be seen as actually bad and tragic, because they're not on the same wavelength - but that's absolutely not the case, and it's just telling a human story about human feelings and relationships from a very uncommon perspective.
And Fuyuki and Eri feel singular to me in terms of characters I've personally seen depicted, but they're written so well and with such love and care that I can't help but love them, including all their flaws and messy ways.

And I really respect the author for that, and I have been chomping at the bit seeing the raws completed and was checking MD every day since the end of September waiting for this release.
Yes, they are characters filled with nuance and depth but both clearly good, loving people. The story doesn't have any villains and that can throw some people off who are clearly desiring someone to be the "wrong" one. It's just a complex situation that everyone is trying their best to work through and I love the honesty finally on display between them. I also love the author for never biasing in one way or the other; they really understand each character deeply and can empathize with them.

Lastly, I completely disagree with people saying this relationship can't work or wouldn't work in real life. There are an endless variety of relationships that work in real life between individuals. There's nothing about these two that's permanently incompatible. It's only a matter of how Eri's feelings progress or don't and I see nothing unrealistic about that. Is it straightforward? No, but they have a chance to work through it and they're both aware of the risks.
 
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if we aren’t getting a forced ending there’s no way this isn’t going to crash and burn. no boundaries set between two people who are in dire need of boundaries between eachother. demisexuality or sexuality is moot - no matter how you cut this it was an immensely immature decision on their part and they are trying to desperately grasp at a solution between eachother while halfheartedly acknowledging things won’t be the same but there’s no genuine desire to form a new relationship. this being said relationships IRL are messy but messy relationships crash and burn HARD before it actually gets better. buckle up i guess.
 

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