Kono Koi wo Hoshi ni wa Negawanai - Vol. 5 Ch. 23

[veryresponsible]

if we aren’t getting a forced ending there’s no way this isn’t going to crash and burn. no boundaries set between two people who are in dire need of boundaries between eachother. demisexuality or sexuality is moot - no matter how you cut this it was an immensely immature decision on their part and they are trying to desperately grasp at a solution between eachother while halfheartedly acknowledging things won’t be the same but there’s no genuine desire to form a new relationship. this being said relationships IRL are messy but messy relationships crash and burn HARD before it actually gets better. buckle up i guess.

i should note these are all the reasons i love this story, it’s real and human.

 

[UdenEmpati]

if we aren’t getting a forced ending there’s no way this isn’t going to crash and burn. no boundaries set between two people who are in dire need of boundaries between eachother. demisexuality or sexuality is moot - no matter how you cut this it was an immensely immature decision on their part and they are trying to desperately grasp at a solution between eachother while halfheartedly acknowledging things won’t be the same but there’s no genuine desire to form a new relationship. this being said relationships IRL are messy but messy relationships crash and burn HARD before it actually gets better. buckle up i guess.

I could see an angle for it not being forced and still have it work out.
Eri's never once initiated intimacy or felt attraction of her own volition, but she's responded to the feelings and actions of those she's dated in the past, and seemed to have "bought in" over time. Whether she felt anything beyond what she might assume is expected of her, remains unclear, though I suspect that is the case.

But Fuyuki has always been different for her; and I think that is significant enough that they could go the distance.
And if the author does have Fuyuki & Eri navigate the future successfully, it could be off the back of the sheer depth of their connection, rather than the incongruent nature of their respective "definitions of love" they have for the other.
Eri asked Fuyuki to keep loving her and looking at her, because she knows that's how she's developed feelings and attachments in the past. And the fact that she already treasures Fuyuki, means that she's now "with" the person she holds dearest, and that adds an additional layer of focus and meaning to this relationship they're figuring out.

It might mean that Fuyuki has to be the one to initiate intimacy, but she'll never have to share Eri again with anyone else, in any context. And, Eri's not immutable; people do change over time, and she was operating from the stance of ignorance and naivety before - that's not the case now, and with awareness can come understanding.

It certainly won't be easy, but I fully believe that they care enough about one another to make the effort, and over time I could see them figuring out the optimal way for them, even with the inevitable bumps in the road.

I would fully accept a well-written ending that sees their relationship failing, as well. The author's clearly shown that they possess the skill to make that work, and make it a good ending, if not a "happy" one. This has been fantastic thus far, and I don't see myself being mad at the end, whatever the conclusion, just on the basis of the quality of art and writing.

But, I do think the groundwork is there for Eri and Fuyuki to beat the odds.

 

[temimi]

23 chapters certainly isn't a bad pace but it sure felt like a long time.

What I can't exactly figure out is it that she is trending more towards asexual or has she always just ignored that she liked her. Probably will see more in the future chapters but I'm interested.

I don't think that's fully accurate. what she discribes at first does sound like asexuality/aromantic but she later explains that being confessed to gives her new vision. it could just be that romance is not something she thinks about until it is presented to her, at which point she focuses on who confessed to her. I'd say she's probably pansexual or bisexual if anything, but just doesn't actively seek out relationships

 

[temimi]

if we aren’t getting a forced ending there’s no way this isn’t going to crash and burn. no boundaries set between two people who are in dire need of boundaries between eachother. demisexuality or sexuality is moot - no matter how you cut this it was an immensely immature decision on their part and they are trying to desperately grasp at a solution between eachother while halfheartedly acknowledging things won’t be the same but there’s no genuine desire to form a new relationship. this being said relationships IRL are messy but messy relationships crash and burn HARD before it actually gets better. buckle up i guess.

it feeling forced HERE does not mean they will not discuss things at a later date. Eri explicitly is like "we can't be beating around the bush any more we need to talk things out" so starting dating, while not ideal, can still be a first step. they can then open up and discuss things that they feel need discussing now that feelings are out in the open and a potential future is in sight

 

[veryresponsible]

it feeling forced HERE does not mean they will not discuss things at a later date. Eri explicitly is like "we can't be beating around the bush any more we need to talk things out" so starting dating, while not ideal, can still be a first step. they can then open up and discuss things that they feel need discussing now that feelings are out in the open and a potential future is in sight

I just really want their friendship to thrive and this feels like a death flag 😭

 

[shinmera]

I could see an angle for it not being forced and still have it work out.
Eri's never once initiated intimacy or felt attraction of her own volition, but she's responded to the feelings and actions of those she's dated in the past, and seemed to have "bought in" over time. Whether she felt anything beyond what she might assume is expected of her, remains unclear, though I suspect that is the case.

But Fuyuki has always been different for her; and I think that is significant enough that they could go the distance.
And if the author does have Fuyuki & Eri navigate the future successfully, it could be off the back of the sheer depth of their connection, rather than the incongruent nature of their respective "definitions of love" they have for the other.
Eri asked Fuyuki to keep loving her and looking at her, because she knows that's how she's developed feelings and attachments in the past. And the fact that she already treasures Fuyuki, means that she's now "with" the person she holds dearest, and that adds an additional layer of focus and meaning to this relationship they're figuring out.

It might mean that Fuyuki has to be the one to initiate intimacy, but she'll never have to share Eri again with anyone else, in any context. And, Eri's not immutable; people do change over time, and she was operating from the stance of ignorance and naivety before - that's not the case now, and with awareness can come understanding.

It certainly won't be easy, but I fully believe that they care enough about one another to make the effort, and over time I could see them figuring out the optimal way for them, even with the inevitable bumps in the road.

I would fully accept a well-written ending that sees their relationship failing, as well. The author's clearly shown that they possess the skill to make that work, and make it a good ending, if not a "happy" one. This has been fantastic thus far, and I don't see myself being mad at the end, whatever the conclusion, just on the basis of the quality of art and writing.

But, I do think the groundwork is there for Eri and Fuyuki to beat the odds.

I think it's also worth noting that Fuyuki has always been deathly afraid of opening up about her feelings, and has pretty much always, even up to this very point, gone into their relationship with the expectation and fear that it won't work out at all if Eri ever even finds out about her love.

Fuyuki's fear is not entirely unreasonable -- there is an undeniable disconnect in how each of them process things -- but also Fuyuki is an extremely unreliable source here, on account of her strong bias towards a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

In my mind there's no reason at all that this can't work out. There's many ways it can, if they can both continue to be open with each other about their needs and capabilities as they have been here.

 

[Cotillion]

10/10 chapter wow this series is too good..

I need a few more vols of them navigating their new relationship dynamic now, I really hope we are not close to the end yet

 

[beThereShortly]

Good ending achieved. I was worried for the first half of the chapter but this endded up being the mature, thoughtfull discussion these two needed to have. Now all I need is a flash forward to show that things worked out (the marriage in chapter one? Please and thak you!?) and maybe and nod to show senpai found someone too.

Hell, make Kyuu happy. No one deserves anything else.

 

[ShallowContrarian]

If I heard about this relationship irl I'd guess it would crash and burn. But hey, we know they're getting married so it worked out lol.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I think it's also worth noting that Fuyuki has always been deathly afraid of opening up about her feelings, and has pretty much always, even up to this very point, gone into their relationship with the expectation and fear that it won't work out at all if Eri ever even finds out about her love.

Fuyuki's fear is not entirely unreasonable -- there is an undeniable disconnect in how each of them process things -- but also Fuyuki is an extremely unreliable source here, on account of her strong bias towards a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

In my mind there's no reason at all that this can't work out. There's many ways it can, if they can both continue to be open with each other about their needs and capabilities as they have been here.

Very salient point, about Fuyuki's own POV being self-defeating. She understandably still harbors a very understandable mindset based on her perceptions of Eri, and their dynamic, all up to this point.

And I think Eri's request that they not hide things, and talk things out, and that they shouldn't act like all this can be walked back and rest, was absolutely the correct call.

Because it's Eri taking responsibility for her behavior and actions (and lack thereof) and not trying to "reset" things between them, because she wants this to work. And to work, they need to stop hiding and running and staying silent.

If anything, I'm more convinced than ever that Eri is all-in. She's declared her commitment to Fuyuki and a shared future between them, and only asks that Fuyuki not give up, and to keep loving her as she always has.
And as long as they remain faithful to the idea of talking things out and not hiding, I can't help but see them go the distance, just off the immense value they both place in the other--however different their current definitions of "love" may be in this moment.

 

[deff_08]

why is everyone saying it’s the ending??

 

[Ichigo69]

I’m truly confused lol why is everyone saying it’s the ending???? there was just a new chapter last week iirc.

THIS.
I know this chapter might FEEL like an end if it were a normal shounen/shoujo manga to you people, but this is a josei manga and like deff_08 said, a new chapter JUST came out. IT'S NOT OVER! Quit trying to give it a funeral. Sheesh......

 

[winterume]

bit of a stretch isnt, author san.

 

[deff_08]

THIS.
I know this chapter might FEEL like an end if it were a normal shounen/shoujo manga to you people, but this is a josei manga and like deff_08 said, a new chapter JUST came out. IT'S NOT OVER! Quit trying to give it a funeral. Sheesh......

Nevermind, i got confused with something. The chapter that was uploaded last week was the part 2 of ch 23. Thought it was a new chapter, but still, why is everyone saying it’s the ending? The creator hasn’t said anything tho??

 

[UdenEmpati]

Nevermind, i got confused with something. The chapter that was uploaded last week was the part 2 of ch 23. Thought it was a new chapter, but still, why is everyone saying it’s the ending? The creator hasn’t said anything tho??

each volume has had 5 chapters, so we need 2 more to round out this one, at bare minimum.
Beyond that, it's anyone's guess, but this isn't the last chapter by any means.

 

[UdenEmpati]

If I heard about this relationship irl I'd guess it would crash and burn. But hey, we know they're getting married so it worked out lol.

the intro to the series is vague enough that it's not clear that it's Fuyuki & Eri getting hitched.

But I absolutely think this sort of thing could end up working out, even if it were IRL.

Fuyuki and Eri's specific dynamic and relationship, and who they are as people (both in general and in terms of growth throughout this series) mean that even if their respective definitions of love and their reciprocal relationship aren't lining up in this moment, there's no reason to believe it won't happen in the future, and Eri says as much right here in the Planetarium.

And even if they're incongruent types of love, the amount and depth of their feelings for one another have been omnipresent and clear as day, and can only grow further from this point as long as they commit and put in the work to see them align more and more as time goes on.

Things worth having take effort. Fuyuki needs to not be self-defeating and not run away, and she's resolved to at minimum do the latter, at least. Eri is facing her fully and resolved to ensure they talk things out and not keep things hidden, so that she doesn't misunderstand in the future. It'll take active participation on their respective parts, but this really doesn't read like some sort of author fiat that only works because someone has full control over the story and characters.

 

[Weebshit5149]

well, we know what will be the ending from chapter 1, but this type of relation will never work in real life.
guess the author wants to give us a happy ending,but after those heavy drama, happy ending seems to be so much forced

I agree this is a pretty dog shit one sided relationship if feel like they should have maybe reconciled or come to some sort of understanding but being together just isnt gonna work out long term

 

[Weebshit5149]

I dont know man this feels pretty cheap to me. I dont really feel like them being together is good for either of them... you dont just "learn" to love some one by being beat over the head with thier feelings and on the flip side constantly trying to whittle down some ones feels to confer with your own just isnt healthy or sustainable.. them talking and coming to understand each others view of one another sure... but then knowing how the other feels and just choosing to force a relationship isnt a good ending to me

 

[shinmera]

I dont know man this feels pretty cheap to me. I dont really feel like them being together is good for either of them... you dont just "learn" to love some one by being beat over the head with thier feelings and on the flip side constantly trying to whittle down some ones feels to confer with your own just isnt healthy or sustainable.. them talking and coming to understand each others view of one another sure... but then knowing how the other feels and just choosing to force a relationship isnt a good ending to me

People love in different ways. There are many people alive, right now, that have a very complex relationship to affection that develops only under specific circumstances and shows in different ways that you probably cannot understand.

Besides, Eri and Fuyuki are not forcing a relationship. They are taking steps to learn how to accept each other on healthy terms. Whether it'll work out we don't know, but there's no reason it cannot.

 

[PsychoTheRabbit]

Really hope next chapter has a time skip with Eri loving Fuyuki romantically... otherwise it would be just a different version of the same story repeating a sad ending and thats just frustrating and an awful good bye to Fuyuki character.