Kusunoki's Flunking Her High School Glow-Up - Vol. 4 Ch. 24 - I was hopelessly in love with you

[dejw]

There it is. even when you are legitimately bullied by a woman, there’s no way people will ever accepted as fact. And they will jump through hoops to somehow make the male victim into the person who caused the whole thing.

There is always one of you. Always. Every Fucking time.

She said one ugly thing about him. At some point you need to stop victimizing yourself.
That doesn't mean she didn't say ugly thing to him or that he started it - but his reaction to it was extreme and it clearly did affect his life badly. I am just describing the situation.

 

[Weebshit5149]

I really don't get the conflict here... Kid was a loser when he was younger and can't move forward, that isn't everyone else fault.. dudes projecting his own bullshit on everyone else instead of just owning up and moving on, he seem like a genuinely annoying person I wouldn't want to be around irl

 

[olivetho]

ITT: Some of the shittiest takes known to man

 

[Jackist]

She said one ugly thing about him. At some point you need to stop victimizing yourself.
That doesn't mean she didn't say ugly thing to him or that he started it - but his reaction to it was extreme and it clearly did affect his life badly. I am just describing the situation.

And there it is again, saying that the men are victimizing themselves. Jesus fucking Christ, is there any way you’ll ever see the double standard?

 

[cozfub]

Murder is a solution. Just saying. The snake girl is obviously a psychopath, nobody would miss her.

 

[xikarra]

Hebikawa did him a great service. Better realize sooner that life doesn't resolve around you and your teenage angst is only a big deal to you.

 

[Chronigan]

The comments seem to be divided between those that have empathy and those that are assholes.

Hebikawa is no saint. She dissed the guy behind his back after he revealed he has feelings to her. This devastated him. Whether you think his reaction was over blown or that Hebikawa was just a regular girl doing what kids do doesn't matter. He was signifigantly hurt by it and is dealing with the emotional damage.

 

[idc_sao]

W

Of course she doesn't owe it to him to be nice. But don't be nice to someone and then talk shit about them behind their back. That makes you a shitty two-faced person.

I'm not saying she's a super villain; of course she isn't. But all these comments of "dude she's really not that bad", what? This chapter has just reinforced what we already knew, that she was two-faced in middle school. Whether the MC's trauma or extreme reactions to her are justified is a totally different issue. The fact is, she was two-faced towards him in middle school. And she's not apologising for that. She said it herself that she doesn't even remember what she said. So she was two-faced and considers that such unremarkable behaviour that it's not worth remembering. Definitely a much shittier person than Kusunoki, and worse than MC.

What we know of Hebikawa is from the perspective of the MC, its quite normal for a teenage girl to be quite two-faced but like that the thing thats all she is. Yeah and you get it, but you are not what everyone else has being reacting like, like the atonement for her actions is death? like kekw some comments in prev chapters were foul.

Edit:
Also idk the perspection of "nice" to him was her just literally just interacting with him. His senses of what normal is not normal lol

 

[AkodoRyu]

Based Hebikawa. She handled the whole thing in much more mature manner than Shizuki.
I like how it puts into perspective just how immature Shizuki has been acting about that the whole time.

It's not really mature, it's just not something that had any emotional meaning to her. To her, it was Tuesday. I don't think she is a big villain, but the lack of empathy she is showing doesn't paint her as a good person either. We can also see from past events that she is duplicitous, so I think that expecting her to start talking shit behind someone's back again is not beyond reasonable fear.

From the outsider's perspective, MC is overreacting. But from the perspective of 15-year-old me back in the day, with an unrequited crush, not being able to be together was enough of a "torment", let alone if I overheard her talking shit about me to other people. I would definitely have even bigger trust issues than I already have.

 

[YamiryuuZero]

Alright, this is interesting.

Hebikawa does have that bad personality trait of needing to know everything and be in control of her surroundings, so I don't blame him for suspecting she would something bad to him if she knew about his secrets. She did go out of her way to ascertain dominance on Kusunoki with her sudden calling of her friends and the times she pursued the protagonist after seeing he was visibly sick with her mere presence, disregarding his state. I do not blame him for thinking she was plotting against them.

On the other hand, the things that he were most conscious about were things that mattered to him and no one else. He is a teenager with image and self esteem problems being faced, for the first time, with the reality that people do not put the same value on his image as he does. I know there is a name for this type of thing, it's called Phantom Audience if I'm not mistaken - it's a type of fear that makes you believe people are watching and judging your every move at all times, and this seems to be what our protagonist suffers from.

Is this story about a boy with image issues coming to learn that the world doesn't care about his traumas, or is this a story about Hebikawa being an evil manipulator who wants him to believe she's not his enemy so she can strike from his blind spots where he can't even understand that he's being attacked? Or perhaps a mix of both?

 

[dejw]

And there it is again, saying that the men are victimizing themselves. Jesus fucking Christ, is there any way you’ll ever see the double standard?

What double standard? Can you show me an example of me having double standard there?
Yes, it is victimizing yourself. It's one thing to accept and admit that you have been wronged the other is to constantly pull at the scab of that wound.

 

[cplsmash]

Pretty shitty of her to say that the image of her he constructed was a dream when her whole deal is constructing a facade that is likable to everyone. Like the perception he had of her was one she was and is continually trying to maintain in the eyes of others.

 

[Kiriju]

So like did people just completely forget about Hebikawa trying to bully Shizuka in the earlier chapters, she literally invited her out to pretend to be her friend to embarrass her in front of her others. I'm not saying she's some evil monster but she does do mean things to people and it's kind of ridiculous some people are saying all the negatives about her are just in the mc's head. While shes right to say that she hasn't changed and that's just in the mc's own head ,she clearly understood she gave the mc trauma and instead of apologizing for making fun of him behind his back she simply doesn't care, which is also hurtful.

 

[Gilthwixt]

It's probably a pretty shitty feeling that the trauma you've been dealing with for years didnt mean anything to the perpetrator. I cant even imagine the emotions he'd be going through

I was gonna post something like this earlier but couldn't find the words. But yeah, the feeling is really surreal. I ran into one of my elementary school bullies in College, and that whole time I was thinking about how much that experience had lasting effects on my personality throughout middle and high school, and how I would've handled things differently if I could redo that time period.

And it turned out, that guy didn't even remember who I was (and he had made fun of my distinct last name for years)

 

[Jackist]

The comments seem to be divided between those that have empathy and those that are assholes.

Hebikawa is no saint. She dissed the guy behind his back after he revealed he has feelings to her. This devastated him. Whether you think his reaction was over blown or that Hebikawa was just a regular girl doing what kids do doesn't matter. He was signifigantly hurt by it and is dealing with the emotional damage.

You don't get it. In 2024 Empathy is reserved for certain people, and brazenly disregarding Men's Emotional trauma is not only expected, but encouraged.

 

[Gilthwixt]

Pretty shitty of her to say that the image of her he constructed was a dream when her whole deal is constructing a facade that is likable to everyone. Like the perception he had of her was one she was and is continually trying to maintain in the eyes of others.

I get the complaint but like, she's not entirely wrong. People falling in love with the idea of someone rather than who they actually are happens all the time. And even now he's afraid of her doing shit that doesn't even occur to her as something she might want to do, so it's clear he really doesn't understand her at all.

 

[AbuHajaar]

SNAKE WOMAN SPEAKS WITH FORKED TONGUE

 

[Chronigan]

I get the complaint but like, she's not entirely wrong. People falling in love with the idea of someone rather than who they actually are happens all the time. And even now he's afraid of her doing shit that doesn't even occur to her as something she might want to do, so it's clear he really doesn't understand her at all.

Excepf he fell in love with the image she was consciously crafting, not something he came up with on his own.

 

[Doutorfunga]

I get why poeple find him to be anoying but I dont get why people Hebikawa based?

Her design is cute. That's more than enough for many

 

[Tr2607]

For those who bashed me in the comments for my take on Hebikawa few chapters back, lol I called it, she just doesn't give a shit and why should she. Most of the issues the MC had/has was majority self inflicted. Hebikawa was the catalyst that made him change for the "better" (in his own mind) he was the one who was obessed with her, and took her words deeper, but to Hebikawa it was just an off-comment, sure she was a dick but like I said before who hasn't talked shit before. Hebikawa has her own self-interest, ideals and goals. I still think the MC more of a dick to the tomboy than Hebikawa has been to the MC (well whats been shown) everything could still change if someshit get added later or whatever.

Being nice to a loser just bcz you want to look good is rather scummy tho.

Im not saying Mc is right, but taking it from his viewpoint, i could totally see how that fcked him up.

You are a nobody, a loser then someone suddenly gets close to you, that will do SOMETHING, it shouldnt be but humans will always get their hopes up if their lives are mostly SHITE.