Kyuuseishu «Messiah» ~Isekai wo Sukutta Motoyuusha ga Mamono no Afureru Genjitsu Sekai wo Musou Suru~ - Ch. 84 - Sin

[MangaDex]

 

[razorshaleh]

Oh, what a happy and peaceful flashback. 2 years later the sinner dragon dies, and the cardinal is born. I'm sure the flashbacks in the next few chapters are going to be sad

thank you for translation

 

[storm_crow]

This is slowly getting to Naruto Anime levels of flashback filler.

 

[ciera]

Thank you for the scanlation

 

[Kageura002]

So its like this?
Scarlet Star Dragon -> Cardinal
Freya -> Fia
But why Lilac and Lotus relationship from friend to almost Foe is still not revealed. Well, probably because of Freya dead and each of them have different belief of how thing should proceed next.
But but, what is this island really? A different isekai or not?

 

[ISingTheBodyElectric]

So its like this?
Scarlet Star Dragon -> Cardinal
Freya -> Fia
But why Lilac and Lotus relationship from friend to almost Foe is still not revealed. Well, probably because of Freya dead and each of them have different belief of how thing should proceed next.
But but, what is this island really? A different isekai or not?

Feels like its own pocket dimension, might be the gods prison for the sin dragon that got additional residents by mistake or the spirits pulling residents from doomed worlds.

 

[HDMI1]

So its like this?
Scarlet Star Dragon -> Cardinal
Freya -> Fia
But why Lilac and Lotus relationship from friend to almost Foe is still not revealed. Well, probably because of Freya dead and each of them have different belief of how thing should proceed next.
But but, what is this island really? A different isekai or not?

So the dragon said that Lotus was also one of those chosen by the gods. My theory is that since the dragon died and Cardinal was a still a baby, he was given orders in place of the dragon to wipe out the Beastmen/Elf populations to make room for humanity.

He probably refused and Lilac, as the Arbitrator and natural counter to the dragon (also revealed in chapter), had to take on the dual roll of protecting the Beastmen/Elves since Freya disappeared, and killing Lotus for defying the gods.

 

[InsertThisName]

This arc feels like the author had an idea for another manga and decided to shoehorn it into this series.

 

[dcdfvr]

Wonder what's really going on with the Gods to the point the demons are fighting them and attacking humans who worship said gods

 

[Shrimperor]

Maybe this is a hint towards what happened to Edel? Saints being tools and all?

 

[Kaarme]

So the dragon said that Lotus was also one of those chosen by the gods. My theory is that since the dragon died and Cardinal was a still a baby, he was given orders in place of the dragon to wipe out the Beastmen/Elf populations to make room for humanity.

He probably refused and Lilac, as the Arbitrator and natural counter to the dragon (also revealed in chapter), had to take on the dual roll of protecting the Beastmen/Elves since Freya disappeared, and killing Lotus for defying the gods.

Interesting theory. We can be sure the number of humans increasing is certainly at the root of the whole issue troubling the island. I was thinking, maybe there was a sudden influx of humans, like through a gate, and Freya got killed by the new humans due to some misunderstanding. Lotus still wouldn't have wanted the eradicate the humans (being one himself), but Lilac would have.

 

[BeepingCat]

The problem with a series that tells a story backwards with flashbacks is that it's trying to cover up that it's moving forwards ass-first. What even is this now?

 

[isekaimeplease]

what a garbage direction this manga is going in

 

[TNT261]

Oh god this arc will never end 😭. The biggest problem is that by the very nature of the Manga (it's premise), does any of this matter? There's so much exposition in this flash back about this dragon that ate a god and it's like all so clunky. All of you know all of this why are you repeating it back to yourselves?? It's not that long, so usually it's fine. This can be a background chapter that you move on from to make the entire world feel a little richer, but are we ever going to visit THIS world again? How many of these characters are going to stick around? Maybe Cardinal, but I'd be surprised. It seems set up for both the faction leaders to pass away and Cardinal to take over protecting the people and restoring the coexistence peace. Freya is probably a ghost or something. This feels like needless meandering. Like someone trying to desperately hit a certain amount of time in their presentation to get an A, but they also already told me that none of the tangents are even that important to the rest of the presentation. Like you're wasting everyone's time and I want to throw a rock at you and crack your skull.

This is just, ugh. The worst part is that this doesn't need to be a flashback at all. If there's any important information just have Freya say it in dialogue in the present. That can be like a panel or two of discussion while we move the plot forward with present things involving our characters that actually matter once we close this gate and get out of this place and literally NEVER INTERACT WITH IT AGAIN. I'd forgive it if the Manga had like set things up as a more casual "adventure of the month" deal, but there's this whole overarching story and plot filled with mysteries we the audience have been made to actually care about. This isn't even connected to that and it isn't even trying to form a real connection other than the MC's missing GF having MENTIONED one of the characters in this arc as another saint. A good story knows how to advance its characters and plot while also building its world and introducing new concepts we care about. This is somehow failing at all of the above for me. With the way the premise works it just feels like a waste of time, and then it's also just not interesting. These characters are generic and the exposition and lore execution bad, and the setup of "Oh now those former besties are tussling from some misguided desire to set things right." isn't exactly peak fiction. I don't need or want this particular locations behind the scenes dragged out like this.

God, it's gonna be months more of this arc and then we get some vague line about his girlfriend. Yay! So exciting.

 

[Jachinz]

I thought I had waited enough chapters to binge past this arc but it seems I have made a mistake. I will be back in the new year I guess.

 

[medrus_358]

And thus the (avatar) star dragon cycle, continues

 

[DrunkinDonut]

This arc feels like the author had an idea for another manga and decided to shoehorn it into this series.

I mean, this flashback feels like it's feeding back into the main story? One of the current unknowns for the story is their religious pantheon. The Saint is as much a tool of the Gods, as the gift they send the Divine Implement. Freya, Lotus, and Edelweiss were all Saints, which was epitomized by the Tool. But, we've never actually seen them, or even know if they're "real". Whether or not Freya and/or Lotus was betrayed(and thus possibly also Edelweiss), the Pantheon that empowers the Saint is a big part of their fates.

What I've personally questioned, is Chapter 37 Page 15, what happened to the Prime Minister. That's not normal human physiology, Calmia said he was just a puppet. But puppet of what? It felt like his personal animus towards eradicating the demons was to aim for Human/God Supremacy of the world. And if it was the "gods", is that tied into what's happening with Takeru/Takeru. So whether or not it's been shoehorned, there are still unknowns that have a deeper lineage.

And this flashback, probably ends in the next chapter. Since you have Cardinal growing up, and then the tragedy that caused the current situation. So, after that you head into the conclusion of this arc, whether that's a god coming back from the dead, Waifu Cardinal, all the Earthlings being ejected from this "Utopia", and/or anything else, you have a bit of backstory of the world building that the author is trying to do.

 

[Shinobu]

Holy fuck it won't end

 

[Shumn]

This is slowly getting to Naruto Anime levels of flashback filler.

This was the first chapter of the flashback, telling the story up until Cardinal's birth. How many months do you think it will take until we finish it?😭

 

[Shumn]

This chapter was truly beautiful. I just realized how gorgeous this manga really is.
But man... This was supposed to be the answers chapter. 😭
I loved Freya and the dragon, but geez, they could have summarized all the answers here right away.