Magan to Dangan o Tsukatte Isekai o Buchinuku!

[alidan]

@Ekdeep
Most people just want to wake up, do the 2 of the 3 s'es and relax.
Getting rid of slavery either requires you to topple the kingdoms that do it, dragging them to at least industrial age if not further ahead, and even then, you are going to have prisoner slaves.
Or get into politics and topple every family that wants slaves to exist, which will be a constant fight with them and assassins especially if you want to do this 'legitimately' and not with force.
"write a good story"
No, its not about a good story or not, its the fact that political struggles and a mc that decides to kill innocent people because the kingdom doesnt want to give up slavery would be a boring story at best, or even more of a power fantasy where you watch the villain do his thing at worst.

 

[Flavor25]

@alidan Bruh my post is 4 months old. And you wrote an essay on top of that. Let it rest dude

 

[Urabask]

@alidan

Most people just want to wake up, do the 2 of the 3 s'es and relax.
Getting rid of slavery either requires you to topple the kingdoms that do it, dragging them to at least industrial age if not further ahead, and even then, you are going to have prisoner slaves.
Or get into politics and topple every family that wants slaves to exist, which will be a constant fight with them and assassins especially if you want to do this 'legitimately' and not with force.
"write a good story"
No, its not about a good story or not, its the fact that political struggles and a mc that decides to kill innocent people because the kingdom doesnt want to give up slavery would be a boring story at best, or even more of a power fantasy where you watch the villain do his thing at worst.

There's also just the option of not introducing slavery into the story at all. There are plenty of fantasy masterpieces that never touch on the subject.

 

[smoothoperator]

Imagine being triggered by slavery when your go to defense is that it's fiction when people point out murder/loli in manga.

 

[Middleware]

umu
fumu
sigh....

 

[alidan]

@Flavor25 may be an old post but given 3 chapters it still relevant.
@Urabask while that's true, you have to take into account the story they are telling. take a bandit subjugation as an example. now to remove any questions, you would be forced to kill all the bandits because if you take them alive, you now have to have the main character care so little about the world around them that they never ask 'so what happens to them now' at which point they either say they will all be executed, or they will be slave labor.
alot of worlds tend to have slaves have rights because of how many there are and how they end up in slavery, its less of horrifying thing and more of a this is how they deal with prisoners in this world. while I dont like copious amounts of worldbuilding, a slave system and how the system is implemented tells you a hell of alot about the world they are in as far as crime, punishment, debts, ect are handled without the need to explicitly say what is going on.

 

[Ekdeep]

@alidan
The mc does not need to kill innocent people to end slavery, it is all about the story telling. The author can have the mc pick his targets to avoid risk to the population, and how he achieves that can be as creative as the authors imagination. Also you don't need a powerful mc, since there are people who share his view about slavery, and they can pick up the slack for him. It all depends on the skill of the author. Now I know this manga is already published so there is no changing it. I'm just saying why does every manga disregarded slavery, and not try to end it?

 

[alidan]

@Ekdeep the main problem is, if the main character goes the assassin route, innocent people will be involved in it, finding the people who are sympathetic, unless there is already a faction that is against slavery and wants it to be gone, there is not clean way to do it besides usurping power, but the people in charge would likely catch on to people are dying, and would do something, either way it is an outright coup and depending on how bad it gets, will involve people who are conscripted and not volunteered.

 

[Flavor25]

@alidan doesn’t matter. Don’t do that

 

[Urabask]

@alidan:

@Flavor25 may be an old post but given 3 chapters it still relevant.
@Urabask while that's true, you have to take into account the story they are telling. take a bandit subjugation as an example. now to remove any questions, you would be forced to kill all the bandits because if you take them alive, you now have to have the main character care so little about the world around them that they never ask 'so what happens to them now' at which point they either say they will all be executed, or they will be slave labor.
alot of worlds tend to have slaves have rights because of how many there are and how they end up in slavery, its less of horrifying thing and more of a this is how they deal with prisoners in this world. while I dont like copious amounts of worldbuilding, a slave system and how the system is implemented tells you a hell of alot about the world they are in as far as crime, punishment, debts, ect are handled without the need to explicitly say what is going on.

Again, there are fantasy masterpieces where the MC beats up some bandits and the author still doesn't use slavery as a crutch to introduce characters for the MC to do the dirty with. You only see this kind of writing when an author is pandering to the lowest common denominator. He's not using slavery because it's necessary; it's just an easy way for him to force his MC into a relationship that readers can empathize with if they're willing to go through the necessary suspension of disbelief.

 

[alidan]

@Urabask
It shows it exists
why does it exist?
This usually gets explained
from this you are able to gather what kind of world it is, the laws, punishments, other races treatment, the kingdoms 'health' and so on
It works as shorthand for all of that
and then it also works as a secondary shorthand most of the time for the mc getting a party without also having to go into other drama aspects of can I trust them.
Because normal people, as in every day villagers and the like wouldn't need a slave or it would be more burdensome from them then helpful, it also lends itself to informing mc a bit without the questions of 'why the hell don't you know something so basic?'

you can also look at it from a more realistic sense too. with the world developed in this way and with this level of civilization, slavery would be a thing, it would be more unnatural in a visual media to not see them opposed to a novel where you can ignore them unless its plot important.

 

[Urabask]

@alidan

It shows it exists
why does it exist?
This usually gets explained
from this you are able to gather what kind of world it is, the laws, punishments, other races treatment, the kingdoms 'health' and so on
It works as shorthand for all of that
and then it also works as a secondary shorthand most of the time for the mc getting a party without also having to go into other drama aspects of can I trust them.
Because normal people, as in every day villagers and the like wouldn't need a slave or it would be more burdensome from them then helpful, it also lends itself to informing mc a bit without the questions of 'why the hell don't you know something so basic?'

That is not why the author is using slavery. It is abundantly clear that the author had no goal other than to give the MC a waifu. You are utterly delusional if you think there was any other reason.

 

[Pokari]

This one's definitely indulging itself a bit with the slave thing. It seemed like it was setting itself up with a crapsack world so the characters' blatantly hypocritical attitude towards slavery seemed plausibly appropriate...

But no, it looks like she's gonna just be fawning over her master-sama in the most disgustingly objectified and wish-fulfillment-y way possible ~w~; The fact that they try to tug at heartstrings while doing this just makes me madder. It's vile =.=

@Urabask: Yeah, that.

 

[alidan]

@Urabask there are other ways to just give a waifu that would come off better if there was no other reason.

 

[Urabask]

alidan:

there are other ways to just give a waifu that would come off better if there was no other reason.

Light novel authors are all busy copying each other so mercilessly this slave waifu thing has become a trope. On top of just being there to give the MC a waifu it's there because the author was to lazy to do something original.

 

[captain_crunch]

hmm, whoever wrote the synopsis spelled the MC's name 2 different ways, both of which don't match the name written in the translation 🤔

 

[1412]

Just another generic isekai story, RPG-like world, OP MC, Cute loli rabbit-eared slave, this is just mashed up settings from other Isekais

 

[HalfMetalJacket]

Hard to believe the slaves are being treated well when they literally live in dungeons and are dressed in nothing but torn rags. Author or artist, they didn't give the idea of 'humane' slavery any thought whatsoever. Just piss poor pussyfooting around the evils of slavery just so our MC and the world doesn't come across as repugnant while pandering at the same time.

 

[Hakin]

A cute tig bitty rabbit girl very very nice (͠≖ ͜ʖ͠≖)

 

[marconii2002]

R.I.P

Tranlsation

20.03.2019 - 09.09.2019

More translated chapters never.

Translation dead after 4 chapters that was rather fast.