Mahou Shoujo × Haiboku Saiban - Vol. 3 Ch. 12 - Case 4 Oribe Yahiro Part 5

[DeadToReal]

The only thing I would say to that, is that she doesn't extend that courtesy to the other magical girls.

You could argue she then lacks self-awareness to not see the hypocrisy, but the fact remains that, if she's the prosecutor "believing all the lies told to her" in a courtroom built on the premise of convicting MGs and sentencing them to things like "forced pregnancy for life via monster insect", then the bar should be a little bit higher for making certain she's not doing an ass job at it.
Ultimately this whole story is just a vehicle for depicting the author's/artist's fetishes, but I'm just asking for a bit of internal consistency in the world.

None of that is push-back against you specifically; just something that irks me about her character in general lol

Unless the gimmick is she is incompetent and potentially corrupt, and at some point down the line there will be consequences for how this "MGJS" functions (which, I admit, I'd be 1000% down to see as an "Anarchism / MG Rebellion Arc").

I understand what you mean. And I do not take it personally.

But in her defense, it seems that everyone in this world lack self-awareness about the absurdity of the magical girl trial in the first place. So, expecting a young school girl to be aware how idiotic the punishments are, is a tall order, when literally everyone else does not see anything wrong with it in the first place. I mean, this is a world where live-streaming a magical girl being raped to death by a monster, is treated as some exclusive blockbuster event.

The only two people that we know that are actually aware of how absurd this whole situation is are Aoi and Yuuri. I don't know about Yuuri, but the only reason Aoi is against the whole thing is because Aoi almost was punished because of it.

And to be fair, magical girls are not forced to become magical girls and fight. They have to actually choose to become magical girls and chose to transform and fight in the first place. No one forced them to do anything. They choose to fight, knowing the consequences.

Ultimately, this whole teenage girls fighting monsters and bad guys is simply absurd to begin with. So, you need female virgins to become magical girls. Then recruit them when they're virgin adults. It's best to simply turn off your brain and take everything at face value.

 

[UdenEmpati]

I understand what you mean. And I do not take it personally.

But in her defense, it seems that everyone in this world lack self-awareness about the absurdity of the magical girl trial in the first place. So, expecting a young school girl to be aware how idiotic the punishments are, is a tall order, when literally everyone else does not see anything wrong with it in the first place. I mean, this is a world where live-streaming a magical girl being raped to death by a monster, is treated as some exclusive blockbuster event.

The only two people that we know that are actually aware of how absurd this whole situation is are Aoi and Yuuri. I don't know about Yuuri, but the only reason Aoi is against the whole thing is because Aoi almost was punished because of it.

And to be fair, magical girls are not forced to become magical girls and fight. They have to actually choose to become magical girls and chose to transform and fight in the first place. No one forced them to do anything. They choose to fight, knowing the consequences.

Ultimately, this whole teenage girls fighting monsters and bad guys is simply absurd to begin with. So, you need female virgins to become magical girls. Then recruit them when they're virgin adults. It's best to simply turn off your brain and take everything at face value.

You're absolutely correct about the complete absurdity of everything regarding the setting itself; the "Pervy Peanut Gallery" as I've seen the faceless suits in the mezzanine called elsewhere are kind of a perfect encapsulation of that.

I will say that part of my thought process stems from the potential for future plot, such as it is, where the court system itself potentially becomes an enemy; Yuuri has hinted at the problematic nature of the justice system more than once (her own sister falling victim to it, which I suspect/believe lead to her becoming a defendant in the first place), and this chapter here has Prosecutor Lemon having a moment of putting "integrity to the truth" over her own well-being by turning the gun on herself to prove its efficacy.

So - if there is some point in the future, say when the series finally wraps up because the author runs out of fetishes to depict, and the MGs start targeting & bringing down their own justice system as corrupt and immoral, then aspects like Lemon's terrible record as a prosecutor would factor into that narrative. Hence why I highlight it here as an actual problem, even within the scope of the insanity that is the premise and perceptions of nearly everyone involved.

But again, to echo the sentiment you expressed: taking it all too seriously is also a problem, and I guess if nothing else, since Yuuri arrived on the scene as a defendant, Lemon hasn't actually successfully ruined anyone's life to this point. So.

 

[nisashi13]

oh man, little brother may have awaken something weird.

 

[DeadToReal]

You're absolutely correct about the complete absurdity of everything regarding the setting itself; the "Pervy Peanut Gallery" as I've seen the faceless suits in the mezzanine called elsewhere are kind of a perfect encapsulation of that.

I will say that part of my thought process stems from the potential for future plot, such as it is, where the court system itself potentially becomes an enemy; Yuuri has hinted at the problematic nature of the justice system more than once (her own sister falling victim to it, which I suspect/believe lead to her becoming a defendant in the first place), and this chapter here has Prosecutor Lemon having a moment of putting "integrity to the truth" over her own well-being by turning the gun on herself to prove its efficacy.

So - if there is some point in the future, say when the series finally wraps up because the author runs out of fetishes to depict, and the MGs start targeting & bringing down their own justice system as corrupt and immoral, then aspects like Lemon's terrible record as a prosecutor would factor into that narrative. Hence why I highlight it here as an actual problem, even within the scope of the insanity that is the premise and perceptions of nearly everyone involved.

But again, to echo the sentiment you expressed: taking it all too seriously is also a problem, and I guess if nothing else, since Yuuri arrived on the scene as a defendant, Lemon hasn't actually successfully ruined anyone's life to this point. So.

I don't think Yuuri's sister was ever defeated at all. It shows on the last page of the first chapter that her sister is considered "The Mightiest Magical Girl", and is powerful enough to solo missions to "Otherworldly Deserted Village". I think it might have something to do with someone close to Yuuri, that saved her at some point, only to be defeated later on.

And while it would be nice to see people starting to develop a brain and recognize the absurdity of the trial, I'm not sure this manga will last long enough to get to that point. You said it yourself. This whole manga is basically a medium for the author to depict his fetishes. Once that happens, the author will start repeating punishments, and the story will start to get boring. I suspect that the story will end with either Yuuri being targeted for some reason, or Yuuri having to defend her sister.

 

[DeadToReal]

oh man, little brother may have awaken something weird.

If you're talking about little brother admiring how pretty Yahiro was in her naughty wedding dress outfit: hasn't the little brother seen his sister naked many times in the shower before? There was a panel in chapter 9, page 11 that shows them naked in the show together. It's how he was able to recognize the crest on Masked Braver's belly was in fact, his sister's. I think he was just really proud that his sister was able to get back into the fight again, after the hell she suffered.

 

[Lunkli]

Wait, so if you're a magical girl and you think you're going to be "defeated," shouldn't you just detransform and run away, then? You'd legally not be held accountable as a magical girl anymore, according to this chapter, so you'd basically just get away without issue.

Is that why the court has a near perfect record of guilty verdicts?? Everyone else is just detransforming leaving only the overconfident and weak who can't defend themselves in court? This really is the dumbest legal system I've ever seen...

 

[nisashi13]

If you're talking about little brother admiring how pretty Yahiro was in her naughty wedding dress outfit: hasn't the little brother seen his sister naked many times in the shower before? There was a panel in chapter 9, page 11 that shows them naked in the show together. It's how he was able to recognize the crest on Masked Braver's belly was in fact, his sister's. I think he was just really proud that his sister was able to get back into the fight again, after the hell she suffered.

they are but it is still different now that he know his sister is the one he admired, he also blushing when he first saw her transformed into that wedding dress as well.
so probably just like the sister's dream is became a bride, her brother now also see that as beautiful thing.

 

[nisashi13]

Wait, so if you're a magical girl and you think you're going to be "defeated," shouldn't you just detransform and run away, then? You'd legally not be held accountable as a magical girl anymore, according to this chapter, so you'd basically just get away without issue.

Is that why the court has a near perfect record of guilty verdicts?? Everyone else is just detransforming leaving only the overconfident and weak who can't defend themselves in court? This really is the dumbest legal system I've ever seen...

that would exposed your true form to the bad guy and if you can't run away, the girl or other people around will be caught into it so not really a good option here.
like in chap 2, the spider-girl already got pin down by the monster, if she detransform there, still not going to stop the monster from mating her.

 

[Phaaze]

oh man, little brother may have awaken something weird.

I'd bet he's the reason Oribe's true outfit took that form - a reflection of her heart's real desire: bridal brocon, with much fanservice mixed in.

 

[Monstrengo]

Lemon-chan has some really nice tities. The audience cheering encapsulated my feelings entirely

Although, and this is an unpopular opinion for sure, I wouldn't have minded if Aoi-kun got hit by the ray.

 

[Lunkli]

that would exposed your true form to the bad guy and if you can't run away, the girl or other people around will be caught into it so not really a good option here.
like in chap 2, the spider-girl already got pin down by the monster, if she detransform there, still not going to stop the monster from mating her.

Well, that would be the "weak" magical girls I mentioned. Aoi was literally unable to use their magic, but if they had been able to, they probably could have gotten away, even if they hadn't actually been able to fight back. And the longer you've been a magical girl, the better idea I'd assume you'd have of your limits and when would be safest to bow out, which would prevent them from getting stuck in situations where they can't escape.

And considering the state of the justice system magical girls run, I can't image too many of them care enough about other people to worry about them getting hurt if it means sacrificing yourself as well. People are selfish, after all, and I can't imagine having literal magical powers just letting your self-worth stay as it is.

 

[runedKnight]

I don't think Yuuri's sister was ever defeated at all. It shows on the last page of the first chapter that her sister is considered "The Mightiest Magical Girl", and is powerful enough to solo missions to "Otherworldly Deserted Village". I think it might have something to do with someone close to Yuuri, that saved her at some point, only to be defeated later on.

And while it would be nice to see people starting to develop a brain and recognize the absurdity of the trial, I'm not sure this manga will last long enough to get to that point. You said it yourself. This whole manga is basically a medium for the author to depict his fetishes. Once that happens, the author will start repeating punishments, and the story will start to get boring. I suspect that the story will end with either Yuuri being targeted for some reason, or Yuuri having to defend her sister.

The series seems to be doing well atm. It's among the publishers best sellers per the rankings on some of the stores I've checked so chances are it'll last a good while, though serialization is rarely that straightforward.

Whether the author will explore the setting in more detail outside the trials themselves is to be seen, but I would prefer a break from the constant cases for a bit more direct worldbuilding.

Also, looking at the authors extensive doujin work chances are the heat death of the universe will occur long before he runs out of fetishes to use.

 

[DeadToReal]

Although, and this is an unpopular opinion for sure, I wouldn't have minded if Aoi-kun got hit by the ray.

Unpopular? Aoi has some of the best tities we've seen in this manga. Not too big, not a washboard. Even better, Aoi is fine wearing no panties and jumping around with legs spread open for everyone to see. The only problem with Aoi is that she used to be a he.

 

[kirby_422]

So, since we've confirmed the prosecution is a magical girl, we're saying the "trials" don't count as battles then? That we can't have magical lawyer labeled as a looser for failing in court (most likely due to a rigged trial)? because otherwise, prosecutor magical girl would have already lost multiple times (unless people pointing that out and defending her in court is the rigged trial to force lawyer to lose?)

 

[DeadToReal]

The series seems to be doing well atm. It's among the publishers best sellers per the rankings on some of the stores I've checked so chances are it'll last a good while, though serialization is rarely that straightforward.

Whether the author will explore the setting in more detail outside the trials themselves is to be seen, but I would prefer a break from the constant cases for a bit more direct worldbuilding.

That's wonderful news, since there's really nothing else like it. What number is it? Do you think that will last long enough to hit 60+ chapters?

We've been getting glimpses of worldbuilding outside of the courtroom, but it's always brief, and always for setting up a new case. Even some slice of life chapters would be a welcome break from all these constant cases. It's just that I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Also, looking at the authors extensive doujin work chances are the heat death of the universe will occur long before he runs out of fetishes to use.

That may be true, but I am not looking forward to any scat punishments. I find that even more revolting than NTR.

 

[runedKnight]

That's wonderful news, since there's really nothing else like it. What number is it? Do you think that will last long enough to hit 60+ chapters?

We've been getting glimpses of worldbuilding outside of the courtroom, but it's always brief, and always for setting up a new case. Even some slice of life chapters would be a welcome break from all these constant cases. It's just that I don't see that happening anytime soon.

That may be true, but I am not looking forward to any scat punishments. I find that even more revolting than NTR.

Sadly I don't have the numbers, but on MelonBooks it was in the top 30 on the week of release and on ComicWalker as well. Compared to the other stuff from the same publisher it seems to be doing well.

KTM also has a new site for their digital releases and it's high on the rankings there as well.
https://kimicomi.com/ranking/manga

There is a limit to what I can stomach with the H-stuff, but it's just there for the big shock every case and the story does not revolve around it. It's more about the atmosphere it creates by showing the depravity of it all

 

[DeadToReal]

Sadly I don't have the numbers, but on MelonBooks it was in the top 30 on the week of release and on ComicWalker as well. Compared to the other stuff from the same publisher it seems to be doing well.

KTM also has a new site for their digital releases and it's high on the rankings there as well.
https://kimicomi.com/ranking/manga

There is a limit to what I can stomach with the H-stuff, but it's just there for the big shock every case and the story does not revolve around it. It's more about the atmosphere it creates by showing the depravity of it all

Being number 4 on any ranking is huge. I'm glad that people aren't sleeping on this one and that it's so popular.

It's a shame that we have to wait one month for each chapter, but at least these chapters aren't split into pieces like so many other are. I would rage if the publisher started forcing part 1.1, 1.2, 1.9 on us.

The story won't revolve around H-stuff like hentai, but it does show a few panels of the depravity of each punishment with every case. I know we won't be seeing that stuff anytime soon, but if the story goes on long enough...

 

[Monstrengo]

We've been getting glimpses of worldbuilding outside of the courtroom, but it's always brief, and always for setting up a new case. Even some slice of life chapters would be a welcome break from all these constant cases. It's just that I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It would be nice if one of Aoi-kun's old friends appeared - you know, the stereotypical shonen protagonist - and created some friction with Yuuri. As well all know, love-docecawhatevers work really well. And question Aoi-kun's sexuality (there seems to be no doubt regarding Yuuri's sexuality)

 

[Monstrengo]

The only problem with Aoi is that she used to be a he.

That might not be a problem to some.

 

[runedKnight]

So, since we've confirmed the prosecution is a magical girl, we're saying the "trials" don't count as battles then? That we can't have magical lawyer labeled as a looser for failing in court (most likely due to a rigged trial)? because otherwise, prosecutor magical girl would have already lost multiple times (unless people pointing that out and defending her in court is the rigged trial to force lawyer to lose?)

Chance are the prerequisite is being Defeated by monsters. This could open up a possibility where a Monster prosecutor turns up.

And to be fair, magical girls are not forced to become magical girls and fight. They have to actually choose to become magical girls and chose to transform and fight in the first place. No one forced them to do anything. They choose to fight, knowing the consequences.

It's not overt, but so far of the girls we've seen most chose to become Magical Girls due to their unfair circumstances.

• Aoi was goaded into becoming one by the Unicorn in order to save someone's life.
• Miko comes from a long line of Exorcists it's possible she was pressured to do so.
• Yahiro is an orphan who needed the money to take care of her brother.

The author does not paint a picture of fairness for these girls.