Majutsu Gakuin wo Shuseki de Sotsugyoushita Ore ga Boukensha wo Hajimeru no wa sonna ni okashii darouka - Vol. 1 Ch. 3

[Bluedudu]

@Kirin-kun well this might justify stealing and to a degree murder to reach the First goal but how is rape something circumstantial?^^ the reason why its often condemned more than murder even if its objektivly less severe is the fact there is no good reason for it

 

[Gauvain]

@Ribath
you can say what you want, but you're wrong.
in India for example a rapist may have as punishment, that his sister be violated
yes it's crazy, but yet there are enough people who think it's normal for it to be normal
these are the rules of justice of the village
customs, morale, religion make it possible
and it's the same in all countries, who tell you that our morale is the best
who tells you that the prison is a punishment better than another, who tell you that the death penalty is good or not

every day millions of animals are killed and raped on earth for our consumption, what did they do to us? who judged them? what laws they have broken ?

 

[kaminomikan]

really ghost? you go and yell? they should have exorcised it...

 

[HolyOrdos]

So much cute artstyle so much raep

 

[Nk9bjP4A]

@Ribath
Sould you trust the word of a shady angry ghost that you've just met a few minutes ago, who possessed your colleague and threatened to kill you?
It's not logical to kill sleeping strangers without first knowing who they are, and whether or not what is claimed that they did is true, by simply trusting the world of another complete stranger.

For example, if someone was walking down the street, and a little girl comes up to him and says a man who is sleeping on a bench across the street had stolen her backpack, should he then cross the street and grab the backpack away from the sleeping man? How would he know if the girl wasn't lying and the backpack really belongs to the sleeping man?


Some people don't own pajamas. I don't have pajamas. Guards and adventurers might sleep in their gear. Anyone who's lived out of a backpack or traveled for an extended amount of time, would learn to only carry necessities, and pajamas are not needed.

A lot of stories simply follow the easiest possible path to move along the plot.

 

[cor3zone]

@Ribath Most bandits in fiction believe that might-makes-right. So if they are strong enough to take/do something they want, they are right to take/do it.
If you don't want to discuss, just say so. No need to justify it.
Since you don't care for what I'm saying, maybe read the post @Exile made. Very well put, and more to the point than I was able to be. Justice is a product of human society, not an absolute law of nature.

 

[Ibri]

I am not sure the MC was going for moral relativism "We can't say they are wrong because they believe themselves right" stuff (my two cents to that: there isn't one true moral but that doesn't imply you can't judge someone with your morals just because they don't share them), yes he said justice is relative but then went on to say stuff about victims of their own circumstances which sounds more like being about the reasons that lead people to commit crime (= mitigating circumstances in the MCs moral system) not a point about the absence of an objective moral system. Though we will hear more about it in later chapter since it is probably related to something in his backstory, so we will see.

 

[Leo80221]

Screaming "DIE!" in the middle of a mansion that is filled with bandits that you have already started killing seems like an obviously bad idea. You're obviously outnumbered and you don't know if they have any highly skilled members, so even if you are extremely pissed at them for killing you and your village, you should probably kill them quietly. You might be a ghost but the body you're using isn't and neither are the other 3 people helping you.

 

[Boomburst]

Calling it, he was pointing the staff in her direction because he used some kind of silence spell.
When they ask why he didn't just use it before, he'll say something along the lines of "I didn't think we would have to," or "if there is someone resistant enough, we wouldn't be able to hear them coming."

 

[cor3zone]

@Ibri I do believe he was going for that. But it's very easy to logically know that justice is relative, it's something else entirely to emotionally accept it. It's possible think justice is relative and the bandits had reasons for knowingly doing wrong.

 

[CraniumAmbiguity]

This discussion brings up memories of my ethics 1001 class, because they touched on this too. (or at least something similar)

Good and evil, are defined by right and wrong. And right and wrong are defined by the culture of an area/group.
Since there are different cultures there are different definitions of good and evil.
Therefore the concept of good and evil is subjective, and not objective.

No matter what stance you take on this, it will not come to a conclusion because it is a topic philosophers still discuss to this day.
My favorite quote that my friend once said about philosophy is "There is no right answer in philosophy, but there are alot of wrong ones."

P.S. on another comment by @Nk9bjP4A
They did not know for certain that she was telling the truth, but they didn't make the rash decision to just go off her words. They had other information to go off of before coming to a decision.

Spoiler

1)The story explains the phenomenon of an entire village turning undead. (story adds up to current circumstances)
2)They found (presumably) her mangled rapped corpse in the church. And probably evidence of a slaughter via blades.(evidence of not just zombie kills but bandits)
3)She had knowledge of the village chief's secret stash. (not an outsider to the village)
4) The best she could do is posses someone.(she is what she appears to be not some secret demon familiar or something stronger)

 

[Kirin-kun]

This party accepted a request from a ghost to avenge her rape (and her family's murder), by killing the bandit perpetrators.

Each society defines its Justice by the law. It looks pretty obvious that these bandits are not acting within the law, so they are criminals. Period. And should be punished by the law enforcement, after due process.

So, this Adventurers party is acting like vigilantes, taking Justice into their own hands. So, they are acting like hired thugs.

Maybe, in this world, Adventurers are given the right to administer Justice as they see fit. Which is problematic in itself, for all kind of reasons. Mainly because of malicious denunciations.

In some isekais, people doing bad deeds are "marked" (with a status, or some aura), which is more convenient.

Most cultures, even if the laws are different, have a system to handle the "criminals". Here, the uncomfortable feeling stems from the fact that the adventurers are judge, jury and executioners. And even paid for it. Just for the purpose of freeing their friend from possession.

Ie, they are morally bankrupt too.

 

[cfusion25]

Good old moral relativism. I am amazed nobody was compared to Hitler yet.

No matter what world or age in human history, might has always made right. Its just a little more roundabout nowadays. The strong can do whatever they want as long as they don't kick a metal plate and aggravate somebody stronger.

 

[Kirin-kun]

@cfusion25 Uh no... We are not living in a Chinese Xianxa.

 

[cfusion25]

@Kirin-kun

Strength isn't necessarily martial or military, it can be financial, political or something else.

 

[Kirin-kun]

@cfusion25 Even billionaires can end up in jail. Look at the news, lately.

I know that some people with lots of power, like Dictators, can get away with anything, since they *are* the law, but eventually, they pass away or they are overthrown.

 

[Gauvain]

@Kirin-kun

"@cfusion25 Uh no... We are not living in a Chinese Xianxa."
"The strong can do whatever they want as long as they don't kick a metal plate and aggravate somebody stronger."
replace the word "strong" "stronger" with "rich" and "richer"
and you are on earth !!!

"Even billionaires can end up in jail. Look at the news, lately."
and you will make me believe that they live with the same rules as the populace.
rich, politician, judge is the kind of person who easily avoids most of the problem by their money, their work or their connection

 

[cfusion25]

@Kirin-kun

"Even billionaires can end up in jail. Look at the news, lately."

All this says to me is that these billionaires were either not financially powerful enough to get away with what they wanted, didn't leverage that wealth properly, or got complacent and annoyed the wrong people.

edit: grammar

 

[Psychronia]

Maaaybe they shouldn't have brought the ghost girl with a shrieking grudge along. At least not in control.

Wow. Lot's of ethics and morality discussion spawned from the MC's little comment. Broadly speaking, I doubt that there's an objective morality, and consequentially, justice. Everything is too relative.

In this specific case...yeah, I do find it kinda weird how adventurers are able to just accept a quest from a random ghost like this. The guild is an intermediary for a reason, so this way of doing things is fairly self-serving and risky. Not that it matters in this specific case.

 

[Homelander]

Ghost-chan gave the shout for some noice payback next chapter!