Need LGBT appropriate tags :rejected:
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I agree with OP that works tagged as "yaoi" and "yuri" can be targetted towards different audiences, and giving different tags to them would be nice, but I think there is merit in the argument that it's too niche. Let's see what the devs decide.
For now mangaupdates is better suited for this.
Also @nonameanonymous82435 are u okay
For now mangaupdates is better suited for this.
Also @nonameanonymous82435 are u okay
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Seems like I've underestimated you. Do consider mentioning that you have a Machida-level iq in your bio or something instead of vaguely alluding to it by choosing that picture as an avatar. We could've skipped this whole exchange if you did.
Good one mate. Dry wit is where it's at and we both needed a laugh.
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I think it'd be superfluous at best as we already have yaoi/yuri.
The most I think we'd ever need in addition to that MIGHT be a "transgender" tag that's different from crossdressing and gender swap in that it involves someone who identifies as the other sex, but that will definitely start more flame wars than it's worth, so I would not go there if I were you.
The most I think we'd ever need in addition to that MIGHT be a "transgender" tag that's different from crossdressing and gender swap in that it involves someone who identifies as the other sex, but that will definitely start more flame wars than it's worth, so I would not go there if I were you.
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"Yaoi is targeted for women and Yuri is targeted to men they are also normally wrote by the sex of their target audience"
I always laugh when i read something like this. Obviously OP hasnt seen the quite a lot of yuri doujins and etc which are done by female mangaka, who are quite often lesbians themselves. Hell, i'm part of a yuri/GL group on another forum where at least half (but most likely more) of the members are female and either bi or lesbians. A fair chunk of them read both BL and GL. Never have i once seen them make any comment that comes anywhere near the topic of this thread and a few of them are quite for proper recognition (where needed) of LGBT content.
Honestly, to me this is basically a "i have this super niche that's the only thing i read because i think everything else is trash so i demand you add tags to satisfy my demands for niche recognition even though there's probably the square root of jack all content that would actually be tagged on it by my standards.". Pack up your superniche soapbox and hit the road OP. It'd be a better use of your time.
Edit: Seen mentions of Dynasty as i've read through the thread. Even Dynasty, which at this point probably has more tags than MD including a lot of specific content tags, has not gone anywhere near the type of thing OP has suggested. For those who are not aware, it is actually fairly easy to request Dynasty admins to add new tags (there's a thread for it). So, it's not that it cant be done there or anywhere else... just, nobody seems to have felt the need for the type of tags OP demands added to MD.. which says a lot.
My comments are mainly on the wilful ignorance towards the broad depths of yuri/GL
I cant speak on the BL/Bara issue because that's way way way outside my interests. If a compulsive argument can be made to the devs, and not just meandering and almost badgering nuisance, then maybe they might add the tag. you never know without legitimately trying.
I always laugh when i read something like this. Obviously OP hasnt seen the quite a lot of yuri doujins and etc which are done by female mangaka, who are quite often lesbians themselves. Hell, i'm part of a yuri/GL group on another forum where at least half (but most likely more) of the members are female and either bi or lesbians. A fair chunk of them read both BL and GL. Never have i once seen them make any comment that comes anywhere near the topic of this thread and a few of them are quite for proper recognition (where needed) of LGBT content.
Honestly, to me this is basically a "i have this super niche that's the only thing i read because i think everything else is trash so i demand you add tags to satisfy my demands for niche recognition even though there's probably the square root of jack all content that would actually be tagged on it by my standards.". Pack up your superniche soapbox and hit the road OP. It'd be a better use of your time.
Edit: Seen mentions of Dynasty as i've read through the thread. Even Dynasty, which at this point probably has more tags than MD including a lot of specific content tags, has not gone anywhere near the type of thing OP has suggested. For those who are not aware, it is actually fairly easy to request Dynasty admins to add new tags (there's a thread for it). So, it's not that it cant be done there or anywhere else... just, nobody seems to have felt the need for the type of tags OP demands added to MD.. which says a lot.
My comments are mainly on the wilful ignorance towards the broad depths of yuri/GL
I cant speak on the BL/Bara issue because that's way way way outside my interests. If a compulsive argument can be made to the devs, and not just meandering and almost badgering nuisance, then maybe they might add the tag. you never know without legitimately trying.
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@BestBoy The main point wasn't the real world consequences but rather the point of adding to the greater cause for undermining something. Even though you disagree I'm from South Africa and my friend is Zambian. Do you remember the "Why are you gay?" meme, well that sparked conversation as to the political climate of Zambia and the fact that being gay was illegal. That clip was from a local Zambian news channel and somehow became internet prolific.
Problem for you is that there are thousands of examples for seemingly inconsequential internet posts/videos and forum sparking a wider debate. But I digress and you continue believing that the things you encounter don't actually affect you at all.
Problem for you is that there are thousands of examples for seemingly inconsequential internet posts/videos and forum sparking a wider debate. But I digress and you continue believing that the things you encounter don't actually affect you at all.
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@comeonnow0 Surprisingly from what I've found most black caricature characters aren't met with any overly negative response. Unless there is glaring evocation of negative and discriminatory behaviour by the character. People feel neither here nor there and accept it as just a fictional character.
Shounen is prolific in South African anime/manga community, there is a deep love for DBZ, Naruto, Bleach and One Piece because of the early TV popularity the Dubs received. The newer community though seems to love Death Note, Tokyo Ghoul and SAO. We're in the early years where there is more consumption of anime than manga and the community is still very closed off to genres outside of your traditional shounen and seinen.
Shounen is prolific in South African anime/manga community, there is a deep love for DBZ, Naruto, Bleach and One Piece because of the early TV popularity the Dubs received. The newer community though seems to love Death Note, Tokyo Ghoul and SAO. We're in the early years where there is more consumption of anime than manga and the community is still very closed off to genres outside of your traditional shounen and seinen.
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@Nutz Not really an equivalent comparison. MangaDex is never going to get the international spotlight like that video did, because the second it gets too large it'll be targeted by anti-piracy organizations.
A tiny forum post on an illegal website about adding a tag for searches isn't going to garner the same amount of attention that a video highlighting systemic homophobia via a clipped newscast on the largest video sharing website will.
The people that undermine those communities aren't going to try and use something as benign as an attempt at increasing the user experience as ammunition. They're going to use something that actually creates a negative opinion of those communities, regardless of whether it's true or not. Stuff like "gays are pedophiles" or "transsexuals want to rape women in the bathroom."
Now, if you're making the argument that this forum post will further enrage someone looking to undermine those communities, I say that's an inevitability and we shouldn't give it any merit. Again, if asking for a tag or saying bigots exist on the internet is going to make someone mad, they were mad to begin with.
A tiny forum post on an illegal website about adding a tag for searches isn't going to garner the same amount of attention that a video highlighting systemic homophobia via a clipped newscast on the largest video sharing website will.
The people that undermine those communities aren't going to try and use something as benign as an attempt at increasing the user experience as ammunition. They're going to use something that actually creates a negative opinion of those communities, regardless of whether it's true or not. Stuff like "gays are pedophiles" or "transsexuals want to rape women in the bathroom."
Now, if you're making the argument that this forum post will further enrage someone looking to undermine those communities, I say that's an inevitability and we shouldn't give it any merit. Again, if asking for a tag or saying bigots exist on the internet is going to make someone mad, they were mad to begin with.
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Off-topic a bit, but if anyone isn't aware, the "Why are you gae?" guy was actually a pretty chill and open interviewer.
You can find the full interview on youtube, of course. Tl;dw is the interviewer/host was genuinely trying to learn about and understand the interviewee's identity/stances/etc. The "Why are you gae?" quote was a genuine question.
He did eventually bring on a pastor (the host calls him "pasta") in that same discussion/interview, and that "pasta" wasn't so chill. It was a pretty funny interview overall.
You can find the full interview on youtube, of course. Tl;dw is the interviewer/host was genuinely trying to learn about and understand the interviewee's identity/stances/etc. The "Why are you gae?" quote was a genuine question.
He did eventually bring on a pastor (the host calls him "pasta") in that same discussion/interview, and that "pasta" wasn't so chill. It was a pretty funny interview overall.
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@BestBoy a tiny forum post it might be but you do realise that Mangadex has now become the main source for manga consumption that is not officially recognised. I.e there is a shit ton of people here.
The format is important because it is at the darkest corners where the true opinions shine. Visibly it might not receive attention as the video on YouTube but that doesn't mean that millions of concurrent Mangadex users have not seen it. Just because there isn't a helpful number telling you how many views something received it doesn't mean it hasn't been viewed.
It is more relevant on these "smaller" forums because we all know everyone is not always transparent about their opinions on every website and post they visit. It is especially easier to see a person's true nature on these types of forums because they can hide behind anonymity.
The only way to really change an opinion is to start at these so-called smaller forums and spread a sense of uniformity in what can and cannot be considered necessary for furthering an ideology. It is not benign though, as I'm sure you have encountered people being called a snowflake when they have made a valid and sound argument simply because there are cases of others making a similar point allowing their emotions to dictate their reasoning.
Thus it is relevant to address these issues even on these "small scale" websites so as to affect the greater scale of things. A war of attrition fought on all sides if you will. Because it does no good to only fix the veneer when there is small spots of rot in the wood.
Your point to me is that this post is a non-issue for the greater movement and that it won't undermine that, but I grew up in a environment where manipulation was prolific and so you might say that I'm oversensitive but there is motive to what I'm saying. By the environment I mean that subtle and nuanced racism and xenophobia in South Africa happens in private and so it makes it difficult for people to get along in public because they meet each other with the preconceived prejudice that saturates their private lives. It makes it difficult for people from different races or even nationalities to actually communicate.
I am well aware that if someone wants to be mad that they'll be mad anyway. My goal is to prevent creating more people who stand against simply because it annoyed them that one time on a small scale forum and so they went and purposefully researched things to piss them and fuel their aggression further causing more resistance because of someone's selfish request. Once more I echo that the issues we deal with start out small and then snowball into a larger problem.
A rockslide caused by a single stone is the same as a rockslide caused by a boulder. That is why it is wise to be consistent because one small weakness opens you up to destruction.
The format is important because it is at the darkest corners where the true opinions shine. Visibly it might not receive attention as the video on YouTube but that doesn't mean that millions of concurrent Mangadex users have not seen it. Just because there isn't a helpful number telling you how many views something received it doesn't mean it hasn't been viewed.
It is more relevant on these "smaller" forums because we all know everyone is not always transparent about their opinions on every website and post they visit. It is especially easier to see a person's true nature on these types of forums because they can hide behind anonymity.
The only way to really change an opinion is to start at these so-called smaller forums and spread a sense of uniformity in what can and cannot be considered necessary for furthering an ideology. It is not benign though, as I'm sure you have encountered people being called a snowflake when they have made a valid and sound argument simply because there are cases of others making a similar point allowing their emotions to dictate their reasoning.
Thus it is relevant to address these issues even on these "small scale" websites so as to affect the greater scale of things. A war of attrition fought on all sides if you will. Because it does no good to only fix the veneer when there is small spots of rot in the wood.
Your point to me is that this post is a non-issue for the greater movement and that it won't undermine that, but I grew up in a environment where manipulation was prolific and so you might say that I'm oversensitive but there is motive to what I'm saying. By the environment I mean that subtle and nuanced racism and xenophobia in South Africa happens in private and so it makes it difficult for people to get along in public because they meet each other with the preconceived prejudice that saturates their private lives. It makes it difficult for people from different races or even nationalities to actually communicate.
I am well aware that if someone wants to be mad that they'll be mad anyway. My goal is to prevent creating more people who stand against simply because it annoyed them that one time on a small scale forum and so they went and purposefully researched things to piss them and fuel their aggression further causing more resistance because of someone's selfish request. Once more I echo that the issues we deal with start out small and then snowball into a larger problem.
A rockslide caused by a single stone is the same as a rockslide caused by a boulder. That is why it is wise to be consistent because one small weakness opens you up to destruction.
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@comeonnow0 I feel like it's a common issue that people forget that fiction isn't necessarily a mirror of reality.
We got the official dubs down here as well. So all the official dubs are the ones that South Africans grew up with. Vegeta's dub actor is a childhood favourite of mine.
@bigtiddyoneesan yeah the interview only seems awkward because the interviewer is pretty straightforward but it's not regarded as a bad interview. Only the accent and the way he phrases makes it super funny. It's just it sparked controversy because of the country's sociopolitical environment. Although religious figures in Africa that are shown on television are mostly still zealots and crusaders but it's common to find understanding religious figures in daily life. Just the ones on TV are untrustworthy, I believe it's the same internationally?
We got the official dubs down here as well. So all the official dubs are the ones that South Africans grew up with. Vegeta's dub actor is a childhood favourite of mine.
@bigtiddyoneesan yeah the interview only seems awkward because the interviewer is pretty straightforward but it's not regarded as a bad interview. Only the accent and the way he phrases makes it super funny. It's just it sparked controversy because of the country's sociopolitical environment. Although religious figures in Africa that are shown on television are mostly still zealots and crusaders but it's common to find understanding religious figures in daily life. Just the ones on TV are untrustworthy, I believe it's the same internationally?
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