Nidome no Jinsei o Isekai de

[CelticMutt]

@Batotopls - What he said in the past on Twitter absolutely should be used to determine what he is now, when the very work he is being employed for still uses those racist feelings. The MC of Nidome took part in the Rape of Nanking, and is treated as a hero. If you don't understand why that is a problem, then you need to google the event. If you still don't understand the problem, then I doubt you ever will.

And freedom of speech absolutely has to have limits. Otherwise slander and liable would run rampant, people could incite others to violence without repercussion, and you could shout FIRE! or BOMB! in a crowded area all you want, without a care for all the people you just caused to get trampled.

 

[firefox1234]

@Batotopls @tamachii12

LOL!!! I don’t know what country you guys live in but in many that allow “freedom of speech” it states that the GOVERNMENT is not allowed to imprison you or limit your ability to speak your views. Nowhere does it say an employer or private individual cannot hold you accountable for what you said publicly. If it happened before your employed that is up to your employer’s discretion and unfortunately for this author his didn’t take to kindly to his words even if they were ages ago.

The employer/private citizen is also protected by the same laws and is allowed to dismiss you if your words or actions are a hinderance to their work. If you were an employer and you had a coworker spouting racist BS about you or someone else’s ethnicity or culture you have every right to fire him on those grounds. He won’t go to jail so even after he’s fired he/she can continue spouting nonsense but at least you as an employer won’t have that individual hampering your image.

I thought we all learned this in grade school but with rights come responsiblities, that’s the whole point of being an adult and it’s clear it slipped this author’s mind unfortunately for him....

Once again, no one is saying you CAN’T say what you want and the GOVERNMENT can’t imprison you. Just google kkk/nazi or racists websites and you will find tons of them yet the government hasnt and can’t arbitrarily take them down. Hell in the USA you can even get a permit to “peacefully” hold a nazi/kkk rally but once again prepare to face the consequences from your employer or community who might not share those views....

 

[Batotopls]

@Celticmutt
that's not freedom of speech. as far as i know, freedom of speech protects other people opinion, shouting fire at a crowd is hardly qualifies as an opinion

as for the content of the manga itself, i didn't really know that stuff about nanking being present in this, maybe i skimmed that part. i guess now i can see why the tweets is that disturbing, as in the author never changing his view on the matter. that was my mistake, i'm sorry for that.

 

[zetsuravez]

wow... comment sections becomes hot after the author scandal and anime cancellation.. .

 

[tathra]

i find it ridiculous that the people most vocal about "muh free speech" think they should be able to silence others from criticizing them. freedom of expression means your ass should be prepared to face criticism and backlash when you say bigoted and hateful shit. to demand that others be silent is to infringe upon their right to express themselves.

and why would anyone willingly forfeit their own freedom of expression to protect speech they dont agree with or find offensive? what that "muh free speech" card really means is "I'm prepared to be criticized for my words", not "my speech is irreproachable".

 

[TwilightFaze]

@Batotopls: No, freedom of speech does NOT protect other people's opinions. It's to protect journalism from government intervention. What pops off on social media, on the streets, etc. doesn't fall under the category and you ARE held responsible for what you say and people have the equal right to call you out on your bullshit and show you where the door is.

That being said, I'm not calling you out for this misinterpretation. This is just a grand misunderstanding as a whole that needs to be cleared up fast.

 

[Zones]

Why does freedom of speech always come up for shit like this? Why do people think freedom of speech means anything other than the government can't jail or fine you for protected speech? I hate that people who claim to love the constitution the most always seem to have no clue what is in it.

 

[Shiromon]

As far as I can remember, in the manga it was not specified who he killed, just that he took part in wwII and was well-known as a legendary swordsman that killed thousands. But alas, this is just going to get axed anyways like the novel was. Rip.

 

[KuroDubZero]

Imagine waking up and realizing your social life and livelihood might be over because of some offhanded comments you made over 5 years ago. Yikes

 

[CelticMutt]

@Zones ; @TwilightFaze - to be fair, not all of the people responding might be from the US. I don't think the laws on free speech are the same in every country that has free speech, but I could easily be wrong. But you are absolutely right as far as the US goes, and sadly our education system fails at teaching this point.

 

[sinkingship]

@KuroDubZero
Imagine being such a moron you can't separate your racist screeds from your RL name online and then trying to get a job, in a notoriously flighty industry, that relies entirely on establishing a brand that revolves around that same name. Yikes.

 

[KuroDubZero]

@sinkingship
Yeah, he's clearly not the brightest guy around. He probably never expected people would dredge up his old comments. This is pretty common with most celebrities though, especially when they're on a high. If he had not gotten the anime adaptation lit, most likely we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Spawn7586]

@CelticMutt It's not. In Italy for example there are laws that may lead to an arrest for certain political tendencies. Every country is different and the US is not the universal standard. Heck, it's one of the youngest around....

 

[chiruru]

The fuck is going on here

 

[Elbow]

@Zones True that, it's even one of its most important aspects!

Rather than having some individual or company be forced to be nice to me because the state is threatening them, I'd much rather have them speak their mind so I'll know which people not to associate with and which companies not to support.

Discrimination laws fail to achieve their purpose when they're unevenly and subjectively enforced, with things having gotten so bad now in the west that people are getting jailed for bringing up statistics on various demographics since they deem the numbers to be ''inflammatory''.

 

[Elbow]

@chiruru

 

[Tormval]

@Elbow I want to like your comment but I can't ?

 

[Shabadoobie]

I am going to miss this manga, I actually enjoyed it. Not going to even bother jumping into this "free speech" argument lol.

 

[Anoon2323]

Yea, I'm gonna jump into the shitpile.

@firefox1234

LOL!!! I don’t know what country you guys live in but in many that allow “freedom of speech” it states that the GOVERNMENT is not allowed to imprison you or limit your ability to speak your views.
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Once again, no one is saying you CAN’T say what you want and the GOVERNMENT can’t imprison you.

"It's not censorship if it's the government" is the most asinine thing when it comes to these conversations. And I don't say this in regards to the writer's comment, he fucked up and the response was unsurprising; I say it in regards to that damn braindead thought of "hurr if it's not the govt it's not censorship.
If someone threatens to kill you or hurt you if you say something, that is censorship regardless if it's not by the government. Throughout history many institutions, groups and people have attempted to shut down opposing opinions or criticism. You don't have to look far to see frivolous lawsuits or false DMCA/copyright. Or radical theists badgering someone for blasphemy. Or outright mobs or witchhunts for that matter.

@TwilightFaze

No, freedom of speech does NOT protect other people's opinions. It's to protect journalism from government intervention.

It does protect people's opinion and their right to express it, even if they are wrong. It doesn't necessarily protect from people wanting to dissociate with you, however.
You don't get to decide what a journalist is, by the way. Anyone can report on an event or take a video and put it online. Freedom of the press is a mere subset.
@Zones

Why does freedom of speech always come up for shit like this? Why do people think freedom of speech means anything other than the government can't jail or fine you for protected speech? I hate that people who claim to love the constitution the most always seem to have no clue what is in it.

It comes up because there are often calls to censor a work because of titties (sexism!) or controversial (but not necessarily hateful or ill-meaning) opinions. The constant controversies are common enough to get people wary about it. See above my arguments above too.


As for my actual opinion on the writer's controversy, from the details I know so far:
Businesses may stop dealing with him, that is not censorship. They aren't an open platform or forum and the writer can still post on his site. Getting criticism isn't censorship.
But, he said that he's going to revise his work and likely self-censor for what's suppose to be a fictional story and I worry the story'll lose it's strength. The MC is a 90yo mass murderer, he'll have outdated opinions.

 

[TwilightFaze]

I'm already dirtied, so may as well continue:
@Anoon2323

It does protect people's opinion and their right to express it, even if they are wrong. It doesn't necessarily protect from people wanting to dissociate with you, however.
You don't get to decide what a journalist is, by the way. Anyone can report on an event or take a video and put it online. Freedom of the press is a mere subset.

I feel I need to defend myself here, because I actually agree with this from the beginning. Actually, a comic called XKCD summarized it best, so I'll quote it:

"The right to free speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit or host you while you share it. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show cancelled, or get banned from an internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door."
(source: https://xkcd.com/1357/)

Naturally, the 1st Amendment is the American version, but I imagine there are similar laws in other 1st world countries that mirror this. Either way, this is what's happening to the mangaka, but we can only hope he will still continue his work and won't axe it.