“Okaeri, Papa” - Ch. 25 - Sweet Words

[kiero13]

damn I almost fell for that kindness and sympathy

 

[blablablub]

Next is Touko's turn

... to do... what, exactly? To get pregante?

 

[Namelessmoreless]

I thought her plan is make MC bang daughter til pregnant and became happy family 💀

 

[KuroViLolitannia]

What a masterful genjutsu user

 

[NorseLoki]

This author understands really well how manipulation works.

 

[Bdl60]

There is no Other to say than WHAT THE F*CK WHAT THE F*CK

 

[NorseLoki]

I find it so hard to believe the author is a woman, the alternative is her being brought up in a terrible household which is even worse. The build up in this recent chapters are so bad, such a cheap trick to have the crazy mum and daughter portrayed as nice, yet manipulative. Weak writing.

Women are more emotional therefor are much better at manipulation... idk wtf you are on about being so wrong.

 

[SleepyDemon]

I'mma just assume the mother is going to have the sister ultimately meet a fate just as bad (or worse) as what her daughter did to the girl with the stalker because this chapter has particularly fucked up vibes.

 

[HelioCesar]

I don't think she wants to keep the sister's baby for herself lmao.

They be talking the most normal things making faces like this:

 

[animan095]

I am always scared and aroused when this manga is updated

 

[Blackspace_2]

"Man you're gonna have a terrible life, YEETUS DELETUS THE FETUS" sounds like eugenics to me.

There's people born into a good household but end up terrible people, and there's people born into terrible ones but end up great.

The circumstances of a person's birth are irrelevant, what is relevant is the choices that person makes.

mewtwo sounding ahh

 

[HippoPilot]

She was 100% in the right with that reaction at the festival. But dude the husband's been neglectful so far there is no way he's going to wake up and go "my negligence lead to her infidelity" he's just going to be like "I'm a cuck if I raise another man's child." (Which is true and consequence of the neglect.)

 

[HippoPilot]

"Man you're gonna have a terrible life, YEETUS DELETUS THE FETUS" sounds like eugenics to me.

There's people born into a good household but end up terrible people, and there's people born into terrible ones but end up great.

The circumstances of a person's birth are irrelevant, what is relevant is the choices that person makes.

Except when you point out the obvious trend that people born in terrible households become terrible people way more. You can't just ignore the correlation and pretend it's 50/50 because both outcomes can happen.

 

[Weoooo]

If people don't understand how poorly written this is, either they are too young to understand how the sister is RIGHT as a mother and how the author put herself between a rock and a hard place to solve this matter and did it in one of the worst ways possible, or people have shallow text interpretation and ignored the sister as a "hysterical" person and just focused on how Miyako is so smart to have devise this plan when it is quite literally plot armour.

I still don't get your objection. Of course the sister was right. Like, that's the whole point. She was justifiably angry, but said something in the moment that was hurtful to her brother. Instead of "you stupid moron she's a teenager" or "come the fuck on, you know better than this," she hit him with the "you don't have kids of your own." For him, someone who wanted a family but hasn't ever had the chance to have one... that hurt.

I don't wanna pull the 'you obviously need some life experience' card but since you already did, the dad here has had an awful lot of characterization the whole time. As the main character, of course he has. But his characterization is that he's responsible, lonely, and wanted a family but consistently made decisions that prevented that. Including marrying who he did; an older woman who can't have children. There is a real, deep sadness in him about never being able to have a child of his own, and its a sadness that is super recognizable to me. It's something a lot of older, professional, men feel, people who lift their heads up and realize that they've missed their shot. Having to give up a dream hurts, and his sister hit him hard in a very hurtful place.

I feel like you're missing this part. Understandably, because you are focusing on how the sister was wronged and how her actions were justified. But you're missing that he was actually hurt and why he was. Without this, the whole scenario makes no sense.

He could have come to understand that her anger was justified, eventually. He got into his own head about how he was just trying to be a good son and brother and how his family was always on his ass, but that was just one thought. But the mom came in that night and said that he didn't need to care about anyone else anymore, because he has his own family now. This was the obvious outcome of this plan, driving him away from his family.

The second part, that the sister was a target too, is the unexpected but natural outcome. Cause the mom is apologizing here, saying that the sister was totally in the right, that she doesn't have any reason to feel guilty, that if she just talked to her brother everything would be fine. That it's not a big deal and that the sister's reaction is both understandable and correct. This is the empathy that the sister desperately wants and has not gotten; someone to get why she was angry and to tell her she was right to be so. No one else has done that yet.

Rather than making the sister out to be a hysterical bitch, the mom's plan was much more insidious: set up a situation to get her to say something that can hurt her brother, whisk the brother away and foster his resentment, then reach out and tell the sister that her reaction was totally justified. This scenario does not depend on thinking the sister went over the line. Instead, it depends on the sister being totally justified in her reaction, so that when the mother comes, apologizes, and says that there's no reason for the sister to worry about it, it's easy to believe. Which will lead to the sister opening up about her pregnancy, something the mother/daughter pair somehow are already aware of.

 

[Bigvoii]

when that baby is born it's gonna be one heck of a trainwreck

 

[positivemangawitch]

Mhmmmm perfect

 

[positivemangawitch]

Eww, cheater

 

[Kaizerdist]

God she's a absolute demon. The insane about of hurdles they go through for gaslighting is getting to me. What did the MC do to deserve this?

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"Next is touko's turn"

HUH?!!?!?!

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Thanks for the chapter.

 

[curvedtree]

I still don't get your objection. Of course the sister was right. Like, that's the whole point. She was justifiably angry, but said something in the moment that was hurtful to her brother. Instead of "you stupid moron she's a teenager" or "come the fuck on, you know better than this," she hit him with the "you don't have kids of your own." For him, someone who wanted a family but hasn't ever had the chance to have one... that hurt.

I addressed to several points you brought up here in the comment you replied to, but you ignore them. For instance:

I still don't get your objection. Of course the sister was right. Like, that's the whole point. She was justifiably angry, but said something in the moment that was hurtful to her brother. Instead of "you stupid moron she's a teenager" or "come the fuck on, you know better than this," she hit him with the "you don't have kids of your own." For him, someone who wanted a family but hasn't ever had the chance to have one... that hurt.

I pointed out the sister's reply to what happened was above an overreaction and it is not justified by the build-up the author brought. The author had to make the sister behave like that to reverse who the "victim" was and another thing she did was not have the brother acknowledge his own fault, because by ignoring that it makes the reader think losing a child that was put in his care isn't a big deal if the child ends up okay, it isn't and people fell for that.

As the main character, of course he has. But his characterization is that he's responsible, lonely, and wanted a family but consistently made decisions that prevented that.

Same as the previous one, a responsible person acknowledge their mistakes, he didn't. He is portrayed as the ultimate big brother, when his sister goes missing with his nephew after something he did, the author purposefully have Miyako to be the one to pursue her because the responsible man is pouting after a problem he created.

Including marrying who he did; an older woman who can't have children. There is a real, deep sadness in him about never being able to have a child of his own, and its a sadness that is super recognizable to me.

Once again, the same as the first point. The author had to make the sister overreact a step further because, as you also said, the sister was right, so the author had to create a narrative to change who the victim of the offense was.

I feel like you're missing this part. Understandably, because you are focusing on how the sister was wronged and how her actions were justified. But you're missing that he was actually hurt and why he was. Without this, the whole scenario makes no sense.

I am not ignoring how he is hurt, I am ignoring how the events played out because him being hurt was born out of a bad writing moment. I keep repeating this because so far in your reply you didn't acknowledge how the sister's reaction is weird. It doesn't matter if she was stressed out for being pregnant with another man's child, or how her marriage is terrible, or how her brother lost her child and didn't acknowledge he did something wrong, when she replied to him saying those hurtful things, that wasn't a natural reaction, it was too over the top. I am not saying no one would never reply like that, but from what we were shown of her, that reaction doesn't match her character and that is bad writing because, and I repeat myself, the author had to make the brother the victim of the situation and then make Miyako a peacemaker.

He could have come to understand that her anger was justified, eventually.

The mistake he made isn't something to be understood "eventually". Isn't he such a good son and brother? He needs time to understand how delegating a child to a teenager your sister doesn't know in a crowded place this teenager has never been before is irresponsible?

Those last two paragraphs I don't have much to reply because at that point the manga already jumped the shark. Is it manipulative? Yes, but the whole situation is only possible because it was born out of bad writing and plot armour towards Miyako. I don't mind plot armour, I do mind bad writing, having a repetitive trope in a story is understandable, the way we get there is important and the way the writer wrote that wasn't good.

Anyway, most of the things I said here I had already addressed in the comment that you replied to, but you ignored some of those. You didn't address how the brother doesn't recognises his fault when his nephew goes missing (Why didn't he acknowledge it? Was he right not acknowledging it? What does the lack of acknowledgement unfold?), nor the sister's overreaction, nor how the brother was forcefully turned into the victim of this situation. I could have read this manga with a "fuck it" approach and don't put much thought on it, I didn't, maybe that was my mistake.

 

[Kashranox]

the entire time my heart was in my throat....Ugh this is such a good manga i hate it lol