“Okaeri, Papa” - Ch. 25 - Sweet Words

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Now that was unexpected.
I was kinda expecting Miyako to twist the knife that Chika stabbed herself with. I wasn't expecting her to properly comfort her and win her over. I guess she's playing the long game.
 
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I still don't get all this debate. I don't even understand why people are thinking there's some next-level manipulation at play. Why? Because I still don't get what Touko and her mom gets out of the MC or his family. It's not like they're super rich. And sure, it's clear as day that, for some reason, mom and daughter are working together to have daughter get together with stepdad. That's hardly "next level." If this was hentai shit, I wouldn't have questioned it. But there's too much going on for me to dismiss it as such, so why exactly are they doing this? And what's with the ice cream for the non-existent father in the restaurant? Is the author just writing himself into a corner? I surely hope not. I am genuinely interested to find out even just one layer of the mystery here because it's obvious there can be a lot of it.
 
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Actually fucking insane manipulation tactics here..
 
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It's as the Argent and funny mustache man says. It's easier to manipulate someone when they are at their most emotionally vulnerable state. Often because of family.
 
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So, here’s my twisted prediction for what’s coming next:

They’ll gaslight the sister into giving birth and then adopt the baby. Meanwhile, they’ll drug the MC (Viagra + sleeping pills?) and rape him while he’s unaware. The daughter will get pregnant, and after some time, she’ll be sent to a boarding school or something similar as an excuse to hide her pregnancy from the family. In the end, they’ll swap the babies. The mother will probably put the sister’s baby up for adoption — or, in a more extreme version, kill it.

However, there’s one major flaw in this plan — or even in their previous one (which was limited only to the daughter giving birth to the MC’s child to “recreate the father/papa"). What will they do if the child — or one of the children — aren’t a boy, but girl?
I think there's something else besides the gender of the baby but yeah their obsession with bringing back touko papa is something can be easily be derailed but they act so decisively
 
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NAH WHAT THE FUCK GIRL!?!? WHAT THE FUCKKK?????

SHE IS SOOO MUCH SICKER IN THE HEAD THAN I THOUGHT 😭😭😭

COMFORTING HER TO TAKE HER CHILD??? I KNOW IT'S AN ACCIDENTAL PREGNANCY BUT LIKE 😭😭😭

SHE'S SO SICK IN THE HEAD NAH
Desperate people take desperate measures.
 
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Honestly my sympathy for the sister isn't much. Like her complaining the husband isn't there for the baby and chores is like he's the one working as well so he's just as tired as you are for different reasons.
 
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Thank you for the upload. I was hoping for my yandere fix and this chapter was a whole lot of nothing, but thanks anyway
 
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So, here’s my twisted prediction for what’s coming next:

They’ll gaslight the sister into giving birth and then adopt the baby. Meanwhile, they’ll drug the MC (Viagra + sleeping pills?) and rape him while he’s unaware. The daughter will get pregnant, and after some time, she’ll be sent to a boarding school or something similar as an excuse to hide her pregnancy from the family. In the end, they’ll swap the babies. The mother will probably put the sister’s baby up for adoption — or, in a more extreme version, kill it.

However, there’s one major flaw in this plan — or even in their previous one (which was limited only to the daughter giving birth to the MC’s child to “recreate the father/papa"). What will they do if the child — or one of the children — aren’t a boy, but girl?
I don't see why they need to go through the sister to do that. They could always get the daughter pregnant, the mother gets some of those drugs that make someone look a bit pregnant, then do a whole switcharoo the same way.
 
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Oh hell nah.. she's worse than i thought 🥲..

Also, why do i feel like she has potentially been sleeping around with other guys, or still does, considering the "it doesnt matter even if the child has a different father", what the fuck is her goal man 🥲

Also don't want to know what sick shit the daughter has been up to or still is, also cheating is inexcusable in that sense the sister is honestly also kinda trashy..
It just means even if the father is not her husband, pertaining to that guy she had an affair with. It's very low chance she is sleeping around many guys because it was implied that she was only texting/calling one person, and after she found out he has family, they stopped seeing each other, but now she's pregnant.
I know it doesn't make it right, but in my opinion, if she was frustrated and made a big mistake cheating, atleast use contraceptive lol. But I guess, this is also fine since it was also a guarantee that she gets would get karma, which would then teach her a nice lesson.
 
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It just means even if the father is not her husband, pertaining to that guy she had an affair with. It's very low chance she is sleeping around many guys because it was implied that she was only texting/calling one person, and after she found out he has family, they stopped seeing each other, but now she's pregnant.
I know it doesn't make it right, but in my opinion, if she was frustrated and made a big mistake cheating, atleast use contraceptive lol. But I guess, this is also fine since it was also a guarantee that she gets would get karma, which would then teach her a nice lesson.
The sleeping around part was meant towards the mc's wife, since she's so dead set on a child and her apparent view of "it doesnt matter even if he isnt the father" towards the sister
 
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...I didn't like that look in her eye when she said it was alright even if the child has a different father. ...What kind of conclusion did this woman, who seems desperate to have a child, reach?:worry:
I think Miyako is reversing that "her" baby will have a different mother, i.e. Touko.
 
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I addressed to several points you brought up here in the comment you replied to, but you ignore them. For instance:

I pointed out the sister's reply to what happened was above an overreaction and it is not justified by the build-up the author brought. The author had to make the sister behave like that to reverse who the "victim" was and another thing she did was not have the brother acknowledge his own fault, because by ignoring that it makes the reader think losing a child that was put in his care isn't a big deal if the child ends up okay, it isn't and people fell for that.

Same as the previous one, a responsible person acknowledge their mistakes, he didn't. He is portrayed as the ultimate big brother, when his sister goes missing with his nephew after something he did, the author purposefully have Miyako to be the one to pursue her because the responsible man is pouting after a problem he created.

Once again, the same as the first point. The author had to make the sister overreact a step further because, as you also said, the sister was right, so the author had to create a narrative to change who the victim of the offense was.

I am not ignoring how he is hurt, I am ignoring how the events played out because him being hurt was born out of a bad writing moment. I keep repeating this because so far in your reply you didn't acknowledge how the sister's reaction is weird. It doesn't matter if she was stressed out for being pregnant with another man's child, or how her marriage is terrible, or how her brother lost her child and didn't acknowledge he did something wrong, when she replied to him saying those hurtful things, that wasn't a natural reaction, it was too over the top. I am not saying no one would never reply like that, but from what we were shown of her, that reaction doesn't match her character and that is bad writing because, and I repeat myself, the author had to make the brother the victim of the situation and then make Miyako a peacemaker.

The mistake he made isn't something to be understood "eventually". Isn't he such a good son and brother? He needs time to understand how delegating a child to a teenager your sister doesn't know in a crowded place this teenager has never been before is irresponsible?

Those last two paragraphs I don't have much to reply because at that point the manga already jumped the shark. Is it manipulative? Yes, but the whole situation is only possible because it was born out of bad writing and plot armour towards Miyako. I don't mind plot armour, I do mind bad writing, having a repetitive trope in a story is understandable, the way we get there is important and the way the writer wrote that wasn't good.

Anyway, most of the things I said here I had already addressed in the comment that you replied to, but you ignored some of those. You didn't address how the brother doesn't recognises his fault when his nephew goes missing (Why didn't he acknowledge it? Was he right not acknowledging it? What does the lack of acknowledgement unfold?), nor the sister's overreaction, nor how the brother was forcefully turned into the victim of this situation. I could have read this manga with a "fuck it" approach and don't put much thought on it, I didn't, maybe that was my mistake.
It’s not “poorly written”, you just don’t like where the story heading. You’re expecting “A” but instead you get “B”, you don’t like it, then you wrote a whole essay trying to convince people (and yourself?) that “it should be like this, otherwise it’s poorly written, or the author probably lying about being a women”.

The thing that I found the most hilarious is, the base of your complaint is basically just because the characters up didn’t react or behave how you feel they should. As if your feelings and reaction should be the gold standard for everyone.
 
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Guys why is everyone presuming she's up to something, she could just be trying to genuinely sympathize with his sister, it's actually very wholesome 🥰

I mean, what have the mother and daughter done so far besides conspire to marry into his family, they just wanted a proper home to belong to.

Endless copium FTW
 

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