Ore no Shibou Flag ga Todomaru Tokoro wo Shiranai - Ch. 74 - True Hell

[PotatoZero]

"She" is me.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/7742fd9a-3001-4f50-b824-573ec1f1d343/24
Here you go, Justus gives Harold a choice; if he uses the life-draining sword, he "goes free" (becomes his research slave), if he doesn't, it's off to the execution block.

In his narration, Justus was not the one who sent Harold to the execution. He's not forcing Harold, he's giving a way out.

 

[Amplify]

In his narration, Justus was not the one who sent Harold to the execution. He's not forcing Harold, he's giving a way out.

Justus caused the entire situation.
Justus is blackmailing the council to get him executed.
But here's the important part of what I've been saying: he's giving him "a way out" that will get him killed in a few years, with the alternative that he dies in a few days instead if he doesn't accept.

Giving somebody a choice between two deaths is not a choice and not a way out. Also why did you edit my quote, you're being especially weird my guy.

 

[PotatoZero]

Justus caused the entire situation.
Justus is blackmailing the council to get him executed.
But here's the important part of what I've been saying: he's giving him "a way out" that will get him killed in a few years, with the alternative that he dies in a few days instead if he doesn't accept.

Giving somebody a choice between two deaths is not a choice and not a way out. Also why did you edit my quote, you're being especially weird my guy.

I don't know, that's how Mangadex made it when I clicked reply, I didn't recheck it.

That might be true in the real story, but that's not true in his narration. I was talking about the narration, since you were saying that even in his narration, he admitted to forcing Harold. He didn't force Harold in the narration, somebody else is trying to execute Harold, he's giving Harold the only way out that he (Justus) had.

 

[zHIST]

The amount of people I've seen wholeheartedly eating up Justus's retelling of the story and accepting it as the absolute truth despite having been warned 20 times over that he truly is the evil big bad here, honestly astounds me a bit.

Most of us don't even remember how we fucking got here mate, the uploads are so rate I thought this might have been a genuine flashback and not just words

 

[Amplify]

That might be true in the real story, but that's not true in his narration. I was talking about the narration, since you were saying that even in his narration, he admitted to forcing Harold. He didn't force Harold in the narration, somebody else is trying to execute Harold, he's giving Harold the only way out that he (Justus) had.

Again, offering between death and slightly slower death is not a choice and nor is it "a way out". I'll keep saying it as many times as I need to for it to sink in.

 

[PotatoZero]

Again, offering between death and slightly slower death is not a choice and nor is it "a way out". I'll keep saying it as many times as I need to for it to sink in.

So, when a doctor says "I can't cure you but I can prolong your life." that is the doctor forcing the patient to you?

 

[Amplify]

So, when a doctor says "I can't cure you but I can prolong your life." that is the doctor forcing the patient to you?

False equivalence. This doctor is saying "You're going to be killed tomorrow, but if you prefer you can die by having your soul sucked out over a more protracted period of suffering, while I jot notes down on this clipboard".

The big difference here is that in your example the doctor is prolonging the inevitable and that's the best he can do for him, whereas Justus obviously doesn't have to make him repeatedly use and test a sword that would kill him and could have him do experiments or whatever else that wouldn't guaranteed kill Harold by the age of 20 at the latest.

 

[PotatoZero]

False equivalence. This doctor is saying "You're going to be killed tomorrow, but if you prefer you can die by having your soul sucked out over a more protracted period of suffering, while I jot notes down on this clipboard".

The big difference here is that in your example the doctor is prolonging the inevitable and that's the best he can do for him, whereas Justus obviously doesn't have to make him repeatedly use and test a sword that would kill him and could have him do experiments or whatever else that wouldn't guaranteed kill Harold by the age of 20 at the latest.

Justus don't have the authority to just pardon a traitor. He's a researcher, not any high-ranking nobleman. He does however have the authority to use a criminal as a test subject, and even then, he needed to call in a few favors.
He's doing what he can do to stop Harold's execution within his ability, as the doctor in the example.

 

[Amplify]

Justus don't have the authority to just pardon a traitor. He's a researcher, not any high-ranking nobleman. He does however have the authority to use a criminal as a test subject, and even then, he needed to call in a few favors.
He's doing what he can do to stop Harold's execution within his ability, as the doctor in the example.

He is not forced to run a deadly trial. If he can use a criminal as a test subject there is no excuse for why it has to be directly deadly and then just turn around and say "oh well, nothing I could do about that part". He could have just as easily taken him as a personal bodyguard given the skill he's shown, or killing specific monsters to get him rare and powerful items for his research, or any number of things that don't involve using a life draining sword. The fact of the matter is that's the option he chose, a choice Justus made himself and wasn't forced into picking.

edit a week later
As soon as you realise you were wrong, you stop replying entirely. How very typical.

 

[SoulOverCaos]

i wonder how much of this can we trust
apparently this guy was the cause of the fight 5 years pior in order to get "test subjects" and then he'll become a powerful villain
it might be that the game lacked some informations or presented some fake truths

 

[PotatoZero]

He is not forced to run a deadly trial. If he can use a criminal as a test subject there is no excuse for why it has to be directly deadly and then just turn around and say "oh well, nothing I could do about that part". He could have just as easily taken him as a personal bodyguard given the skill he's shown, or killing specific monsters to get him rare and powerful items for his research, or any number of things that don't involve using a life draining sword. The fact of the matter is that's the option he chose, a choice Justus made himself and wasn't forced into picking.

edit a week later
As soon as you realise you were wrong, you stop replying entirely. How very typical.

I didn't get the notification you replied. Either that or it's buried with other notifications I was getting.

He's forced to run a deadly trial if he wanted to save a national traitor to be a test subject. If it was safe then the Kingdom would just say to test on just any volunteers.

 

[Amplify]

I didn't get the notification you replied. Either that or it's buried with other notifications I was getting.

He's forced to run a deadly trial if he wanted to save a national traitor to be a test subject. If it was safe then the Kingdom would just say to test on just any volunteers.

He's not forced to do anything of the sort.

Anyway, the odds of you ever accepting any answer are zero so you'll just keep arguing ad-infinitum, and I'm really not interested in waiting three months per reply or anything like that. At this point, whatever.

 

[PotatoZero]

He's not forced to do anything of the sort.

Anyway, the odds of you ever accepting any answer are zero so you'll just keep arguing ad-infinitum, and I'm really not interested in waiting three months per reply or anything like that. At this point, whatever.

Right, he's not forced, he could just leave Harold to be executed.
I mean it's not a free get out of jail card. It's supposed to be the replacement of death penalty; they should have the same severity in the eyes of the kingdom.
The next would-be traitor would have no fear doing it if a random researcher can just pardon you.

 

[LoliNecromancer]

I mean honestly I was confused isn’t he a baddie why does he seem genuinely helpful only to be reminded ohhhhh yeah he’s a biased narrator silly me also does the sword always drain or just when her uses it I assume it’s just when he uses it cause that what mc said