【Oshi no Ko】 - Vol. 16 Ch. 166.5 - Volume 16 Extras

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id take the incest route over the suicide route anytime of the day
Maybe this was Aka and Mengo's hidden plan/experiment to see if they could get people to pray and persuade them to end the story with incest? Like, when the editors refused them this, Aka slammed the door and shouted “you’ll see, people themselves will beg us for this!”
 
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Page 4, it's kinda obfuscated but it seems to be "Tokyo Blade [man]gaka Samejima Abiko announ[ces her m]arriage on Social Media."

Stuff in brackets are just guesses based on the context tho
Oh damn, you're right. I only saw the Shiranui marriage, thanks :wooow:
 
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btw, I totally forgot since it was so irrelevant, but did Ruby know she has another brother ?
Iirc Aqua told her he'd introduce Taiki to her at some point but never did (or at least it wasn't shown).
Then again, the movie about Kamiki kinda revealed they had the same father, so if Ruby put two and two together she should be able to figure things out on her own (if she didn't already).
At least Taiki seems to be aware of the situation so he should be able to approach her as well.
 
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?????????? did bro really kill frill off in the epilogue just for fun, am i retarded?
There was a twitter page later on with Shiranui Frill and marriage trending so I assume "final film" is to be understood as the last one before retirement, not that she died.
 
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By the way did they ever explain the crow girl?
Only partially in LN, which was written by another author.
Iirc Aqua told her he'd introduce Taiki to her at some point but never did (or at least it wasn't shown).
Then again, the movie about Kamiki kinda revealed they had the same father, so if Ruby put two and two together she should be able to figure things out on her own (if she didn't already).
At least Taiki seems to be aware of the situation so he should be able to approach her as well.
I think his words clearly imply that he now cares for her as her last relative.
 
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whack extra for a manga with a whack ending, sasuga Aka, consistent as always

the worst part of Aka's portrayal of the internet, is that there's nobody calling other the N word, so its really unrealistic
 
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Great to see Ai's Fanclub still being around and dedicated to the series. Thanks for the chapter.

Also Sigur Rós did that title two decades ago.

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Congrats to Abiko for her marriage. I wonder if it was to GOA. Lol at [( )]; at least she gets to work with sensei again. RIP Frill quitting acting. Wild how Akane presumably deduced Aqua's reincarnation.
 
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I think he meant Akane for the suicide case
I don't see how "What stopped Aqua from doing the same," can mean something other than the Kamiki case though.
Committing suicide in a crazy suicidal plan that is largely based on the expectation that things will work out the way you want them to? Give your life for 5-6 years of your sister’s successful career, ruining the lives of your loved ones? Are you trolling me? Ruby actually found herself in a similar situation back in the last arc and her friends and family defended her.
Akane and the others "won" back then but next time might not be so lucky, the murder doesn't need to happen in the same apartment or strike at the same place (if Ruby or the body double is strike during filming in a setting similar to how the surgeon die, then no knife-proof vest can deal with that)

Kamiki almost kill either Ruby and Akane that night and even with Nino's confession, the cops still have no incriminating evidence to really stop him. Either another Nino can appear and attempt another murder every night, or Aqua caught him off-guard and kill him right there and then.

Ruining Ruby's career is only the What If in "Aqua just killed Kamiki", the real risk is Ruby's future as a whole.

Unless Aqua can somehow create the perfect murder all by himself, which I doubt considering his lack of experience and the fact that the cops still manage to connect Kamiki as the instigator even though his relationship with them is probably at best just living near the same place, I do think this is one of the better options considering his goal.

About Aqua's manipulation skill, I doubt Aqua can manipulate Kamiki (Kamiki seems a lot more experienced than him at it), I doubt Aqua know who exactly the people Kamiki instigating is so he can't manipulate them directly, and I doubt Aqua wanted to manipulate his friends into helping him commit murder at the risk of making them complicit.
?????????? did bro really kill frill off in the epilogue just for fun, am i retarded?
I'm not certain, but page 12 might imply she's getting married? Might be just a coincidence though since the black-haired mangaka got married.
 
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I bet this fucker thinks he's a god damn genius.
There have already been jokes that this is all a hidden manipulation of Aka and Mengo's plan to make people beg to write an incest arc instead of THIS.
Congrats to Abiko for her marriage. I wonder if it was to GOA. Lol at [( )]; at least she gets to work with sensei again. RIP Frill quitting acting. Wild how Akane presumably deduced Aqua's reincarnation.
This is not surprising, given how Mary Sue she became over time. Aka explicitly wrote that he uses her to voice his narratives in the universe and that she is his representation from high school. So in LN she is practically a new protagonist.
whack extra for a manga with a whack ending, sasuga Aka, consistent as always

the worst part of Aka's portrayal of the internet, is that there's nobody calling other the N word, so its really unrealistic
The main irony is that although Aka conceived this based on the interaction of people on social networks, in the end he practically did not go to Twitter for several months in order not to read fan reactions to the ending of the manga. Although not as much as the idea of manga that praising inspiration and motivation, ultimately only drives people into depression with a vengeance.

P.S. Grimmycoffee, I already had enough of arguing with you last time. I will not once again waste my precious time and remaining emotions on this wall of text with increasingly delusional excuses for Aka’s bad writing (damn, not only did Live Action completely rewrite this with different meanings, but even Aka himself in Extra tries to take a step back and portray Aqua's suicide as the wrong way to protect loved ones), most of which have long been refuted and discussed and you are simply passing them around in a second round to create the illusion of relevance to them . Sorry, but I just added you to ignore.
 
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I don't see how "What stopped Aqua from doing the same," can mean something other than the Kamiki case though.

Akane and the others "won" back then but next time might not be so lucky, the murder doesn't need to happen in the same apartment or strike at the same place (if Ruby or the body double is strike during filming in a setting similar to how the surgeon die, then no knife-proof vest can deal with that)

Kamiki almost kill either Ruby and Akane that night and even with Nino's confession, the cops still have no incriminating evidence to really stop him. Either another Nino can appear and attempt another murder every night, or Aqua caught him off-guard and kill him right there and then.

Ruining Ruby's career is only the What If in "Aqua just killed Kamiki", the real risk is Ruby's future as a whole.

Unless Aqua can somehow create the perfect murder all by himself, which I doubt considering his lack of experience and the fact that the cops still manage to connect Kamiki as the instigator even though his relationship with them is probably at best just living near the same place, I do think this is one of the better options considering his goal.

About Aqua's manipulation skill, I doubt Aqua can manipulate Kamiki (Kamiki seems a lot more experienced than him at it), I doubt Aqua know who exactly the people Kamiki instigating is so he can't manipulate them directly, and I doubt Aqua wanted to manipulate his friends into helping him commit murder at the risk of making them complicit.
for the first paragraph, yeah, my mistake I thought the context was more about the suicide theme than the assasination attemp.

Weird enough, I'm with you with most of your explanation, as even at the time I thought Aqua's intention made sense to me, specially since Akane's victory was only one, and even if Kamiki was thrown to jail, he coule get people to support him as even the movie shows he was also a víctim and he pretty much made a sect to kill famous people, so getting him dead was a risky but plausible choice.

On the other hand and as most of the comments, the author drove himself into a corner with the choices and consistency of their characters, so the suicide or him dying in the end was a bad move that even in the live action with the "fix" didn’t actually work out.
 
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for the first paragraph, yeah, my mistake I thought the context was more about the suicide theme than the assasination attemp.

Weird enough, I'm with you with most of your explanation, as even at the time I thought Aqua's intention made sense to me, specially since Akane's victory was only one, and even if Kamiki was thrown to jail, he coule get people to support him as even the movie shows he was also a víctim and he pretty much made a sect to kill famous people, so getting him dead was a risky but plausible choice.

On the other hand and as most of the comments, the author drove himself into a corner with the choices and consistency of their characters, so the suicide or him dying in the end was a bad move that even in the live action with the "fix" didn’t actually work out.
I agree on calling the ending bad, but I don't know if I'd say that the author drove himself into a corner. I don't know how to explain it, I just feel like the author intended this for quite a while.

I thought Aqua sacrificing himself is fine, since the idea I got was that Aqua:
1. Chose the best worse option - "best" here means that it's the only one he knows to achieve his goal, "worse" because he still lost his life and happy future - which is why Aqua is shown in pain.
2. And his story so far turned the murder-suicide we saw into a sacrifice more meaningful and carry more weight rather than an empty revenge that kid-Aqua probably envision after Ai's death, which is why Aqua can still smile after that.
 
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for the first paragraph, yeah, my mistake I thought the context was more about the suicide theme than the assasination attemp.

Weird enough, I'm with you with most of your explanation, as even at the time I thought Aqua's intention made sense to me, specially since Akane's victory was only one, and even if Kamiki was thrown to jail, he coule get people to support him as even the movie shows he was also a víctim and he pretty much made a sect to kill famous people, so getting him dead was a risky but plausible choice.

On the other hand and as most of the comments, the author drove himself into a corner with the choices and consistency of their characters, so the suicide or him dying in the end was a bad move that even in the live action with the "fix" didn’t actually work out.
Aka initially failed miserably in establishing Kamiki as a real threat, which could only make sense if you fully accepted the convention of him being all-powerful as an evil god. In fact, he could write how the characters cooperate to deceive him, obtaining evidence, etc. It's one of the most interesting things when characters come up with a plan to get out of a seemingly impossible situation, right? Instead of committing toxically idealized suicide, which is presented as a solution to hopeless problems, lmao. So yes, such a dark edgy ending with Aqua's death did not fit this story at all, simply looking alien and having a much darker negative effect on people than it intended.

Because as a result, we get an extremely immature edgy suicide out of nowhere, which is unreasonably presented as the only possible solution to hopeless problems, not only traumatizing all the characters close to him, but also destroying many ideas of work on the meta level. Of course, Aka's attempts to somehow justify or romanticize it only make things worse, because in people's eyes he is crudely and clumsily romanticizing suicide and trying to justify bad writing with cheap sentimentality. It's just laughable that he seemed to unironically hope that people would find it all bittersweet and inspiring.

Considering this is a dark manga we're talking about, they could also very well kill Kamiki in the process of the investigation I mentioned above and the complex but interesting plan to catch Kamiki when he tries to actually kill one of them. That would be really interesting and would be in line with the development of the story and characters up to this point. Not to mention the fact that Aka wouldn't have to come up with a bunch of conventions and plot holes to justify why Aqua didn't come up with a complex and interesting plan or refused the help of his trusted friends.

All this is to say nothing of the fact that the story was effectively completed back in the 150th chapters when Aqua was able to defeat Kamiki without violence. Aka could have easily made this a reasonable ending, just by rewriting the final scenes a bit so it wasn't so saccharine. That's all. It's not ideal, yes, but it would solve a bunch of problems that subsequently caused so much negativity towards both Aka's writing in this manga and his entire career and personality as an author in general.
 
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No follow up on the supernatural shit with crow girl???
As I said above, this topic is only explored in the LN because it was written by another author and he needed to bring up mystical themes. Aka himself effectively threw Crow Girl out halfway through because she was very good at developing Aqua's idea of awareness and thus preventing him from turning into a suicidal weirdo.
 

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