【Oshi no Ko】 - Vol. 16 Ch. 166.5 - Volume 16 Extras

[Sholvq]

I wish it turned out that Kamiki survived lmao.

 

[SuperOniichan]

I wish it turned out that Kamiki survived lmao.

For what? For Aqua's sacrifice to be devalued to already negative values, lmao?

 

[Valle_reading_manga]

Miyako is a bad boss and a mother who only started doing something about protecting her loved ones and subordinates after the death of her son

That's a pretty hard judgement.
Miyako is an adoptive, single parenting mother running the abandoned business of her ex. And keep in mind her children, especially Aqua, barely show her any affection and are (for various reasons) fixated on Ai even after her death.
That being said, obviously she's made mistakes but I can't really blame her for them. If anything, I'd say her failure is as a mother rather than a boss though:
As a boss, she managed to revive the agency and even admitted to her own shortcomings and got her ex back in order to help, even if there may be grudges on a non-professional level. Additionally, she has personal experience in the industry. And the attack on Ruby, which would've been during work was prevented.
As a mother, she failed to notice what was really going on and didn't get through to Aqua (at times also Ruby) but that's a two sided issue: While Miyako might've been too overworked to care for them enough, Aqua didn't open up and quit therapy. And even Akane who knew his motives, misjudged his determination (or well, plot armor).

 

[Valle_reading_manga]

I think his words clearly imply that he now cares for her as her last relative.

I think he's simply realised the responsibility that was burdened onto him: Him killing himself over Aqua killing himself might be the final straw for Ruby to take her life (blaming herself for bringing bad fortune and so on...). And then I'm honestly not sure what'd happen to Miyako or others close to them...
I'd just roll with him being more sensible than Aqua.

 

[SuperOniichan]

That's a pretty hard judgement.
Miyako is an adoptive, single parenting mother running the abandoned business of her ex. And keep in mind her children, especially Aqua, barely show her any affection and are (for various reasons) fixated on Ai even after her death.
That being said, obviously she's made mistakes but I can't really blame her for them. If anything, I'd say her failure is as a mother rather than a boss though:
As a boss, she managed to revive the agency and even admitted to her own shortcomings and got her ex back in order to help, even if there may be grudges on a non-professional level. Additionally, she has personal experience in the industry. And the attack on Ruby, which would've been during work was prevented.
As a mother, she failed to notice what was really going on and didn't get through to Aqua (at times also Ruby) but that's a two sided issue: While Miyako might've been too overworked to care for them enough, Aqua didn't open up and quit therapy. And even Akane who knew his motives, misjudged his determination (or well, plot armor).

Dude, this is not a parenting issue, this is literally about the lives of your employees and children. You don't have to be the mother of the year or the president of Blackrock to understand that people in a business that is built entirely on reputation and where employees often deal with bullying and crazy fans require legal and moral protection. Especially when you adopted children whose murdered mother used to be your employee. And one of whom was also subject to attempted murder. These are obvious things on which people’s lives depend, and you have already seen that the danger is quite real. Don't talk about it as if it were something like "my son got involved with bad company" or "my daughter became a prostitute."

I think he's simply realised the responsibility that was burdened onto him: Him killing himself over Aqua killing himself might be the final straw for Ruby to take her life (blaming herself for bringing bad fortune and so on...). And then I'm honestly not sure what'd happen to Miyako or others close to them...
I'd just roll with him being more sensible than Aqua.

Well, I want to say that the very delivery of his phrase suggests that Ruby is somehow dependent on him and that he lives for her. Plus, the idea that she cares so much about his life already suggests that they are close.

 

[mallet]

I've only read the first three chapters of this series, but it sounds like most people are upset with an image of this series that was never true, and let hype yotubers and influencers convince them otherwise. This sounds like exactly the kind of series Akasaka would write. You played yourselves.

 

[Finalegend]

Sadly, in context, this chapter is just embarassing.
There is no saving this manga. It's over.
One day, people will speed read this trash and say "it's not so bad!".
But it was. It was that bad.
1/10 I don't think I'll ever read your works again Aka.

 

[SuperOniichan]

I've only read the first three chapters of this series, but it sounds like most people are upset with an image of this series that was never true, and let hype yotubers and influencers convince them otherwise. This sounds like exactly the kind of series Akasaka would write. You played yourselves.

Oh, I was so waiting for someone to blame the fans themselves for the bad ending. I’m not even surprised that this was written by someone who registered at the end of last year and accused “stupid YouTubers and influencers of denigrating the author.” But I didn't expect that it would also be written by someone who had only read the first couple of chapters. You exceeded my expectations, thank you.

Sadly, in context, this chapter is just embarassing.
There is no saving this manga. It's over.
One day, people will speed read this trash and say "it's not so bad!".
But it was. It was that bad.
1/10 I don't think I'll ever read your works again Aka.

Well, as you can see there are already people who are trying to blame the fans themselves for the bad ending...after reading the first couple of chapters, lmao. But seriously, I can bet that Oshi no Ko will become a typical scandalous manga that will not be remembered in history for anything other than the scandals associated with the ending or something that years later zoomers will recommend for the sake of cheap bait and switch or as "edgy shit".

Although, given that we live in a time where zoomers unironically defend Doom 3 as a very smart and conceptual game, I wouldn't be surprised if, years from now, someone decides to defend it as "incomprehensible perfection" and people, out of a sense of nostalgia, agree with him as such it was with Twilight.

 

[mallet]

Oh, I was so waiting for someone to blame the fans themselves for the bad ending. I’m not even surprised that this was written by someone who registered at the end of last year and accused “stupid YouTubers and influencers of denigrating the author.” But I didn't expect that it would also be written by someone who had only read the first couple of chapters. You exceeded my expectations, thank you.

I'm not rejecting the idea that this is a bad ending, I'm rejecting the idea that somehow it's out of the norm for something Akasaka would have written. I've read ib and a good part of Kaguya, and this feels pretty in line with the other "tragic self-sacrificing" stuff he likes. That it's poorly executed is also within expectations. Akasaka isn't that great at making drama without trying to twist the knife as far as he can regardless of context, but that problem wasn't as apparent in Kaguya, which is where most of the hype for him originated from. So everyone came in with incredibly inflated expectations that got chipped away the further it went along. The stupid youtubers and influencers probably havent read ib, so it's easy to see why they wouldn't have expected anything like it. I don't think the fans were stupid for enjoying it, but if you come in with the expectation that Akasaka is a genius, you were definitely gonna be disappointed in the long run. If he ended the manga short, he probably would have gotten away without a lot of people hating him, assuming that matters to him. I have no idea what registering last year has to do with anything.

Well, as you can see there are already people who are trying to blame the fans themselves for the bad ending...after reading the first couple of chapters, lmao. But seriously, I can bet that Oshi no Ko will become a typical scandalous manga that will not be remembered in history for anything other than the scandals associated with the ending or something that years later zoomers will recommend for the sake of cheap bait and switch or as "edgy shit".

Although, given that we live in a time where zoomers unironically defend Doom 3 as a very smart and conceptual game, I wouldn't be surprised if, years from now, someone decides to defend it as "incomprehensible perfection" and people, out of a sense of nostalgia, agree with him as such it was with Twilight.

It's better to review things with a clearer head when people aren't actively angry about feeling "betrayed" or showing off how smart they are. People really liked a large part of this manga before the ending so I'm not really sure this is gonna be remembered as a "scandalous" series, rather than a good series that ended poorly.

 

[SuperOniichan]

I'm not rejecting the idea that this is a bad ending, I'm rejecting the idea that somehow it's out of the norm for something Akasaka would have written. I've read ib and a good part of Kaguya, and this feels pretty in line with the other "tragic self-sacrificing" stuff he likes. That it's poorly executed is also within expectations. Akasaka isn't that great at making drama without trying to twist the knife as far as he can regardless of context, but that problem wasn't as apparent in Kaguya, which is where most of the hype for him originated from. So everyone came in with incredibly inflated expectations that got chipped away the further it went along. The stupid youtubers and influencers probably havent read ib, so it's easy to see why they wouldn't have expected anything like it. I don't think the fans were stupid for enjoying it, but if you come in with the expectation that Akasaka is a genius, you were definitely gonna be disappointed in the long run. If he ended the manga short, he probably would have gotten away without a lot of people hating him, assuming that matters to him. I have no idea what registering last year has to do with anything.

So, you're accusing fans of having high expectations and insulting "stupid YouTubers and influencers" just because they judged Oshi no Ko on its own merits instead of looking back at his obscure work from the past? And only one work, while even you yourself admit that his much more famous Kaguya had a completely different tone and themes? Also incidentally accusing people of having high expectations from the author after the very famous and popular work that made his name? Lmao, how I adore people who come in after the fact and try to reproach everyone, pretending that they are the smartest and knew about everything in advance.

What does last year's registration have to do with it? Well, you are behaving like a typical zoomer who has only recently created an account, and is obviously behaving too arrogantly and provocatively for a newbie, mistakenly thinking that he is smarter and better than others. So it is here. In just two short comments, you not only managed to project Aka’s mistakes onto the fans themselves, but also left a whole set of logical errors behind you. Observer error, false evidence of things in hindsight, general rudeness in an attempt to back it up. Classic.

It's better to review things with a clearer head when people aren't actively angry about feeling "betrayed" or showing off how smart they are. People really liked a large part of this manga before the ending so I'm not really sure this is gonna be remembered as a "scandalous" series, rather than a good series that ended poorly.

Well, if you want to appear smart, and you clearly do, then you should know that bad things are remembered better than good things and that no matter what things are, people will remember the end first. Especially if it was such a bright and controversial event. A good series that ended poorly is Go-Toubun, for example, although personally I more or less like the ending. In this case, the ending and the controversy surrounding it more or less completely outweighs everything that people loved or remembered about the manga itself. Even anime and live action are already suffering because of this.

 

[Sholvq]

For what? For Aqua's sacrifice to be devalued to already negative values, lmao?

Yes, for this reason.

 

[Quality_Reads]

This was truly our Oshi no ko. Goodbye. Probably won't read another one of Aka Asaka works until it has ended and the man knows how to do endings properly.

 

[Lord_Ad5]

She searching for the 7 db to revive him lol

 

[SuperOniichan]

Yes, for this reason.

At such moments, I even regret that the anime will end in at least a couple of years. Because when we finally get to know whether they changed the ending or not, we might just stop caring about it altogether.

This was truly our Oshi no ko. Goodbye. Probably won't read another one of Aka Asaka works until it has ended and the man knows how to do endings properly.

If he continues in the same spirit, then in 3-4 years we will completely forget about the existence of such an author for obvious reasons. Life gave him a very good chance, but he seems to have decided to take advantage of it just like Aqua did with his hands.

 

[sdarkpaladin]

Oldpier is back to wrap things up...

Man... they really should expand on the ending more...

 

[Nobi]

Mengo could not even bother with drawing the epilogue.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Mengo could not even bother with drawing the epilogue.

If you think about it, the fact that they both announced the start of new series immediately after the release of the final chapter of this one clearly suggests that they clearly really wanted to get rid of this as quickly as possible and make it a passed stage.

 

[mallet]

So, you're accusing fans of having high expectations and insulting "stupid YouTubers and influencers" just because they judged Oshi no Ko on its own merits instead of looking back at his obscure work from the past? And only one work, while even you yourself admit that his much more famous Kaguya had a completely different tone and themes? Also incidentally accusing people of having high expectations from the author after the very famous and popular work that made his name? Lmao, how I adore people who come in after the fact and try to reproach everyone, pretending that they are the smartest and knew about everything in advance.

What does last year's registration have to do with it? Well, you are behaving like a typical zoomer who has only recently created an account, and is obviously behaving too arrogantly and provocatively for a newbie, mistakenly thinking that he is smarter and better than others. So it is here. In just two short comments, you not only managed to project Aka’s mistakes onto the fans themselves, but also left a whole set of logical errors behind you. Observer error, false evidence of things in hindsight, general rudeness in an attempt to back it up. Classic.

I said it's less apparent in Kaguya, but from what I've gathered Aqua's self-sacrificing attitude isn't that far off from Ishigami's "hero of justice" way of thinking in middle school. Though in Ishigami's case it was only his social life that was taken away. If influencers and youtubers want to make bank hyping up manga they could at least try and connect it with other stuff the mangaka has done, that should be a reasonable expectation for some one that is advertising they know about manga. There's no reason to have high expectations that someone who's most famous work is a romcom will do drama well, but he's done it bite sizes in Kaguya and it would be something to extrapolate from there. But he has written a dramatic series, and it's fully translated in English, so at least for those hyping it up, they could have used that as a reference point. It's the reason why I only read three chapters when Oshi no Ko was still being scanned, it looked interesting but I didn't have faith in Akasaka to pull it off in the end. It's unfair to fans to think they should have encyclopedic knowledge of a mangaka's works, but it isn't to tell them they need to check their expectations for something new and to not get caught up in what everyone else is saying about the series, positive or negative. My point is that Akasaka made mistakes, but fans are blowing it out of proportion. I've had enough of fans turning on a series they allegedly loved, only for cooler head to prevail in the long run. I don't think Akasaka is a great drama writer but he's enjoyable enough, and given the popularity of Oshi no Ko up to this point I don't think it's going to be remembered poorly either. He's already writing a new series in Weekly Young Jump after the end of his other one, it doesn't seem like the fan backlash is showing up enough in the volume sales for this to affect him.

I don't really get why you're calling me a zoomer because of that, I only registered in the forum last year, I've had an account for tracking manga pretty much since this site went up after the original batoto went down. I thought the forums account was the same, but it's registered separately. You're right though, I have been acting arrogant and provocative, I wanted to start a fight but I'm already hating this.

Well, if you want to appear smart, and you clearly do, then you should know that bad things are remembered better than good things and that no matter what things are, people will remember the end first. Especially if it was such a bright and controversial event. A good series that ended poorly is Go-Toubun, for example, although personally I more or less like the ending. In this case, the ending and the controversy surrounding it more or less completely outweighs everything that people loved or remembered about the manga itself. Even anime and live action are already suffering because of this.

Most series aren't actually remembered to begin with, which is the worst result this series will get. When people remember things, as bad or good, they have a chance to re-evaluate without the same conditions and attitudes that might have made them evaluate it that way originally. If it's forgotten then it's pretty much dead. Go-toubun had the honeymoon epilogue movie come out recently, so whatever controversy came up wasn't enough to discourage the producers to make it. The Go-toubun game recently got officially translated to English, so any backlash from Western fans wasn't enough to discourage Spike Chunsoft. Maybe it'll be different for Oshi no Ko, but I don't think it will be.

 

[TheBlackGamer]

Well, if you want to appear smart, and you clearly do, then you should know that bad things are remembered better than good things and that no matter what things are, people will remember the end first. Especially if it was such a bright and controversial event. A good series that ended poorly is Go-Toubun, for example, although personally I more or less like the ending. In this case, the ending and the controversy surrounding it more or less completely outweighs everything that people loved or remembered about the manga itself. Even anime and live action are already suffering because of this.

Wait there was controversy over the quintuplets series? What was the controversy?

 

[SuperOniichan]

Wait there was controversy over the quintuplets series? What was the controversy?

Spoiler

Many felt that Yotsuba's victory was unjustified and that she was a creator pet since she had the least ROMANTIC development from all five girls and spent most of the story being Fuutarou's sidekick who helped him develop things with the other sisters.