【Oshi no Ko】 - Vol. 16 Ch. 166.5 - Volume 16 Extras

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hahaha that would be super hard to get, but it would actually be pretty fun, but their "normal" fans wouldn't be happy with the series suddenly turning... good hahaha
Jokes aside, delusional suicide to “protect the waifu” would be quite in keeping with the character of the local protagonist, lmao.
3+ early influencers peddling very specific talking points is no coincidence in social media. These are ad campaigns initiated by manga publishers.

Same is seen with Dandadan where people dont know the name of the mangaka but they surely know it is written by a fujimoto's assistant. SxF also had another assistant but did not have this specific talking point, but Centuria also has the same dandadan marketing topic. The origin of all these talking points are inorganic
Are you saying that magazines deliberately raise expectations and give people a distorted idea of the work in order to create hype? So the promotion for the latest volume of Oshi no Ko had an unreasonably overly optimistic vibe compared to what happened in the volume?
 
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Are you saying that magazines deliberately raise expectations and give people a distorted idea of the work in order to create hype? So the promotion for the latest volume of Oshi no Ko had an unreasonably overly optimistic vibe compared to what happened in the volume?
I feel the /s, but yes the extras for the last volume are really a big slap to the face to the readers, that platform for idol ruby should have been used for another volume, for the last one it feels super weird (had the chance to buy the last volume that way but for sure didn't want to after the end and now especially after this epilogue)
 
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I feel the /s, but yes the extras for the last volume are really a big slap to the face to the readers, that platform for idol ruby should have been used for another volume, for the last one it feels super weird (had the chance to buy the last volume that way but for sure didn't want to after the end and now especially after this epilogue)
It seems to me that they will now actively try to sell the latest volume and merch at any cost, considering that the manga not only ended, but also ended in a very big disappointment for many. It's as if Aka understands that even if the finale makes money, he will no longer have the opportunity to write a successful mainstream work.

A very biased explanation, but at least it makes sense of how the official accounts and Aka himself seem to be desperately trying to portray the ending of the manga as an epic motivational and inspiring moment for fans, and not a completely failed attempt to take advantage of fans' attention for his edgy fanfics. I even wonder what the sales of the last volume will be, because I have already heard rumors that Oshi no Ko has sharply fallen out of the most actively selling works in recent months.
 
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I feel the /s, but yes the extras for the last volume are really a big slap to the face to the readers, that platform for idol ruby should have been used for another volume, for the last one it feels super weird (had the chance to buy the last volume that way but for sure didn't want to after the end and now especially after this epilogue)
I was introduced to Aka through Kaguya sama, and though the ending for that manga wasn't perfect i thought that ONK would be good too, if not better.

I was left extremely disappointed.
 
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I was introduced to Aka through Kaguya sama, and though the ending fir that manga wasn't perfect i thought that ONK would be good too, if not better.

I was left extremely disappointed.
I totally get you, I got to Ala through Ib, even if not bad it had it flaws and got the axe, Kaguya started super strong (like holy shut it was enjoyable and went from monthly to weekly as it was just that good) and then the series starts to go down in the last part (I would say after the festival, but it wasn't that bad at that point).
So I could give the benefit of the doubt and OnK started good too, but I was ready to find flaws, probably why I'm not that mad went started to go down, but the end, well... also if you add that Aka tried to do another manga too (Love Agency) and got the axe too, now it makes a lot more sense why his first work got the axe, the Editorial department saw that it would probably gonna go down bad and had faith in the author (which worked as Kaguya was a big success).

In summary, I'm also really disappointed and now I get why Ib:Instant bullet (which Aka really wanted to develop) got the axe and will never return.
 
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I totally get you, I got to Ala through Ib, even if not bad it had it flaws and got the axe, Kaguya started super strong (like holy shut it was enjoyable and went from monthly to weekly as it was just that good) and then the series starts to go down in the last part (I would say after the festival, but it wasn't that bad at that point).
So I could give the benefit of the doubt and OnK started good too, but I was ready to find flaws, probably why I'm not that mad went started to go down, but the end, well... also if you add that Aka tried to do another manga too (Love Agency) and got the axe too, now it makes a lot more sense why his first work got the axe, the Editorial department saw that it would probably gonna go down bad and had faith in the author (which worked as Kaguya was a big success).

In summary, I'm also really disappointed and now I get why Ib:Instant bullet (which Aka really wanted to develop) got the axe and will never return.
Therefore, his new work acquires a certain scientific interest in my eyes. This should be a new hit from a successful author, but Aka decided to repeat the move of the Game of Thrones showrunners and just ruined his own life out of the blue. So now a lot of people will be watching how (potentially) quickly this will fail, not so much because of the mediocre premise, but because of the terrible planning and work morale of Aka himself. Plus, obviously the editors will now give him much less creative and simply working freedom, because they will know that Aka is a good author who does not justify much credit by immediately destroying things when he is given freedom. In general, the dude himself ruined his triumph and now his not the best work will be under increased attention and control.

This is purely my speculation, but what if this situation is similar to the original Bleach one? I mean, when Shonen Jump just got tired of seeing ratings drop and fans complaining and they just demanded that Kubo end things in 4-5 chapters right in the middle of a drawn out arc. Keeping Kaguya's popularity and Bullet's situation in mind, what if it was the everyday elements that made Oshi no Ko last this long, while trying to turn it into an edgy tragedy simply killed the editors' enthusiasm? Mengo may also have played a role in this, given that many elements seemed to be taken from her collection of one-shots and her attempts to rewrite it for a wider audience may also have been part of the problem.
 
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I see. I understand why but that still sounds retarded. Like curbing artistic freedom like that will always piss me off. It's like people can understand that fiction is fiction and real life is real life.

Even without fiction there will always exist weird people making excuses for weird things. Incest is banned here in the states but that doesn't stop articles popping up saying it should be allowed.

Hell the incest route in this story whether intentional at first or not would've been better received than what we got and people understood it's a weird pairing but still rooted for it anyway.
This manga also ended in something edgy?

Don't tell me that this is a typical case where sexual things are taken more seriously than violence and that therefore the open romanticization of suicide will be perceived less negatively than a more or less happy ending with incest. But anyway, if we remembered Oreimo, then why not just write the true ending as douji like he did?
Ackhuallly Japan has partially curbed on violence in media too, 80s was the golden age of Gekiga. I agree fiction is fiction, and it's not too far off from helicopter parents thinking FPS games create school shooters. Creative freedom is there in US and EU e.g Lolita the novel is allowed. But Japan works differently. Apart from government, we also have to consider other threat actors like TV broadcast/advertisers policing, Japanese parents and their priorities, Western moral policing pressure, Credit Card network moral policing etc that has affected creative freedom in Japan over the years.
 
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Ackhuallly Japan has partially curbed on violence in media too, 80s was the golden age of Gekiga. I agree fiction is fiction, and it's not too far off from helicopter parents thinking FPS games create school shooters. Creative freedom is there in US and EU e.g Lolita the novel is allowed. But Japan works differently. Apart from government, we also have to consider other threat actors like TV broadcast/advertisers policing, Japanese parents and their priorities, Western moral policing pressure, Credit Card network moral policing etc that has affected creative freedom in Japan over the years.
Hearing about all this, it not only seems incredible to me that the possibility of repeating such an ending in the anime, but also the fact that the manga itself still got it. Because it literally embodies the cliché that anime promotes mental health problems and suicidality, and also looks like a romanticization of suicide from a non-existent Victorian novel. Although we literally got a full Platinum End in the anime, whose ending could easily convince anyone to commit suicide despite clear criticism of suicide.
 
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Mengo may also have played a role in this, given that many elements seemed to be taken from her collection of one-shots and her attempts to rewrite it for a wider audience may also have been part of the problem.
While I'm almost sure Mengo checked out near the end, enough to not even bother drawing this extra chapter, I don't think she had much to say about the direction or writing in Oshi no Ko. If she took the reins in this I bet the story would look more like the 4 chapters that were confirmed to be written by her and focus on character interaction more than on the industry or some grand narrative.
 
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While I'm almost sure Mengo checked out near the end, enough to not even bother drawing this extra chapter, I don't think she had much to say about the direction or writing in Oshi no Ko. If she took the reins in this I bet the story would look more like the 4 chapters that were confirmed to be written by her and focus on character interaction more than on the industry or some grand narrative.
Well, Aka was sending vague signals about this. On the one hand, he described the desire to write an ending that Mengo would like (which is very strange, since in the interview she talks about wanting something different), on the other, in one of the interviews he said that she advised so much that she actually became a co-author for him .
 
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Therefore, his new work acquires a certain scientific interest in my eyes. This should be a new hit from a successful author, but Aka decided to repeat the move of the Game of Thrones showrunners and just ruined his own life out of the blue. So now a lot of people will be watching how (potentially) quickly this will fail, not so much because of the mediocre premise, but because of the terrible planning and work morale of Aka himself. Plus, obviously the editors will now give him much less creative and simply working freedom, because they will know that Aka is a good author who does not justify much credit by immediately destroying things when he is given freedom. In general, the dude himself ruined his triumph and now his not the best work will be under increased attention and control.

This is purely my speculation, but what if this situation is similar to the original Bleach one? I mean, when Shonen Jump just got tired of seeing ratings drop and fans complaining and they just demanded that Kubo end things in 4-5 chapters right in the middle of a drawn out arc. Keeping Kaguya's popularity and Bullet's situation in mind, what if it was the everyday elements that made Oshi no Ko last this long, while trying to turn it into an edgy tragedy simply killed the editors' enthusiasm? Mengo may also have played a role in this, given that many elements seemed to be taken from her collection of one-shots and her attempts to rewrite it for a wider audience may also have been part of the problem.
It would be pretty funny if ONK met the same fate as GOT, only unlike that one, which had been mainstream for years, this was only just now beginning to rise in fame and popularity among the general public with the heavy advertising and the first OP which hit millions of views in just a few weeks.

So Aka basically smothered it in the crib, which makes it even more of a failure and among the biggest flops of the decade this far.

A more successful example of a anime becoming internationally famous is Spy X family, which i am proud to have been reading since day one
 
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It would be pretty funny if ONK met the same fate as GOT, only unlike thst one, which had been mainstream for years, this was only just now beginning to rise in fame and popularity among the general public with the heavy advertising and the first OP which hit millions of views just in a few weeks.

So Aka basically smothered it in the crib, which makes it even more of a failure and among the biggest flops of the decade this far.

A more successful example of a anime becoming internationally famous is Spy X family, which i am proud to have been reading since day one
This is a typical contrast between the professional creator and the visionary creator. The author of Spy x Family directly said that he writes manga as a business project and develops it professionally without hyperfocus on any ideas, trends, etc. While Aka is sort of the Olivet Stone of the manga world, who decided that his credibility after the last manga makes him untouchable in the eyes of fans. If the anime actually begins to suffer from the consequences of Aka's affairs, it will be very symbolic.
 
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Yes, this made me feel better about the ending. I didn't hate the ending, I just found it horrifically upsetting, and too brief, but I think this epilogue makes it settle better in my mind, feels like closure somehow.
 
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This is crazy, she hasn't given up even after his death. I'm feeling so sad for Akane, man. She needs to move on but I highly doubt she ever will.
I think you people are reading the occult thing wrong. Akane has a very inquisitive mind, she probably realized that there was something supernatural about the happenings regarding the Hoshino twins, she probably realized that Aqua and Gorou were if not the same person at least connected in a supernatural way, so now she is determined to find answers.
 
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I think you people are reading the occult thing wrong. Akane has a very inquisitive mind, she probably realized that there was something supernatural about the happenings regarding the Hoshino twins, she probably realized that Aqua and Gorou were if not the same person at least connected in a supernatural way, so now she is determined to find answers.
She became interested in the occult after learning about reincarnation. Not to mention that she knew very little about Goro. As for the epilogue, it's practically the same chapter 166, only with an attempt to pass it off as something more optimistic.
 
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are we not gonna talk about Melt? my homie became a world class actor through sheer hard work. truly the real Oshi no Ko of the story
 
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Tbf I kinda understand.
Dude yolos into ocean, everyone is materialistically better, which was his goal, but mentally damaged, which pours a bucket of tar into the jar of money honey.

"They'll be better without me" is thin veneer on the actual price of the unaliving
 
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I honestly think Aka grew tired of the pressure, of the expectation and simply destroyed his own work.
 
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I love Ai's Fanbox. Thank you for all the work you did for this series.

As a whole, Oshi no Ko was great, but I think everyone understands how the ending went, and the fact that this extra didn't really change anything. I guess the one part I liked is that Akane didn't somehow just turn her frown upside-down and move on immediately, even though that sounds cruel, because it shows the weight of her feelings (I do want her to somehow resurrect/reincarnate alongside Aqua or move on eventually, since she's an awesome person who obviously deserves happiness).
 

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