Pick One and Tell Me What is it.

[pandascepter]

This thread is only for sharing each other's Interesting thing to read or interesting news, that's on underground like deep web.

READ IT AND SHARE THE INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT DIDNT SHOWN IN THE PICTURE, TELL US WHAT IS IT.

This two was an interesting shit for me.
Münchhausen Trilemma
Munchausen Syndrome

 

[pandascepter]

In epistemology, the Münchhausen trilemma is a thought experiment used to demonstrate the impossibility of proving any truth even in the fields of logic and mathematics. If it is asked how any given proposition is known to be true, proof may be provided. Yet that same question can be asked of the proof, and any subsequent proof. There are only three options when providing further proof in response to further questioning:

1. The circular argument, in which the proof of some proposition is supported only by that proposition
2. The regressive argument, in which each proof requires a further proof, ad infinitum
3. The axiomatic argument, which rests on accepted precepts which are merely asserted rather than defended

 

[PantsMan]

Neat, a tinfoil hat/cool phenomenons thread. This one's a relatively benign type of "conspiracy" topic I'm familiar with:

Here's a funny video.

Spoiler

If you're the skeptical type, you can probably tell the video's faked. It's a bit too "intentionally funny" and well-timed to be real. But this isn't what's interesting about it.

The video is taking place in a pretty small Neapolitan town, on a road that's blocked off out of frame. While the situation is staged and every single person present within the video is in on it, only the man inside the car and (presumably, for health and safety) the bikers are actual actors. Everyone else was approached by a film crew during Sunday mass at local churches and offered $50 to appear in the video. In similarly stereotypical Italian fashion, they were only paid $40 for "insurance reasons". To add to the absurdity, the cops couldn't figure out who applied and was approved for fencing the road off for filming since the documents were lost "when the administration changed".

So what the hell is going on here? Presumably it is some sort of viral advertisement; increasingly common forms of guerilla marketing in which the product is paradoxically hidden in plain sight within the innocent genuineness of one of those "funny videos/cringe compilations/YLYL". These can be the most absurd, unrelated things: things like a video of someone getting struck by lightning to advertise a camera, a cute dog to advertise a brand of baseball caps or stunts to advertise DIY toolboxes. Big companies often hire "proxies" that specialize in viral advertising for these sort of things, to further hide the fact that it's an ad.

The videos act as product placements with extra steps, hoping your brain will make some crazy connection between the two elements and get that brand name or even vague, marketable concept stuck in your head. All the while your oblivious relatives and friends will continue to spread and forward the video throughout social media (as I am doing now), effectively doing the company's job for free and adding to how "genuine" the video feels.

The video I linked is a pretty good, straightforward example of this; while the links (added shortly after the video was first released) are now dead, the Wayback Machine will show you a website explaining the trick and the company they're advertising. But this isn't always the case; several viral advertisements rarely reveal openly what they're actually for without some serious detective work on your part. This is often due to the ad no longer being relevant, behind the scenes issues, people trying to repost edited versions as their own or whatever. But the subliminal message remains, advertising a product or service that's long since been removed from the market or become completely meaningless.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

1. The circular argument, in which the proof of some proposition is supported only by that proposition
2. The regressive argument, in which each proof requires a further proof, ad infinitum

Surely all proof and further proof, etc. would eventually reach the circular argument, and not repeat ad infinitum. Right?

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@Pantsman

This is obviously a campaign ad from the 2016 elections. You can even see Bernie peek out to look at 2:40.

EDIT: Also, if the guy in the car blocking the road is indeed genuine and not an actor, he's an immense fucking idiot. How hard is it to inch your way in rotating your car one direction, no matter how small the increments? I've done it quite a few times (when I was new to driving, I swear I'm Nascar level now) and I can't imagine how he could be so incompetent as to not realize to just pick one god damn direction and slowly rotate that way.

 

[pandascepter]

@bigtiddyoneesan
Thats why you need to read it, didnt i say it cleary there.....

Also, wtf, where is your interesting shit ?

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@pandascepter

Thats why you need to read it, didnt i say it cleary there.....

I suppose the regressive argument could possibly repeat ad infinitum, but only if the individual making the argument were to essentially question reality and subjectivity themselves to the point that everyone who's listening to that person's argument is thinking "what the hell just say you've been given substantial proof and stop being an extreme contrarian."

Also, wtf, where is your interesting shit ?

EDIT: I call on @Tamerlane to provide TWO interesting shits in this thread. One for himself and one to cover for my absence of interesting shit.

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pls tamerlane i need ur assistance friendo

 

[Tamerlane]

Munchausen Syndrome (Aka Factitious Syndrome Disorder) is when you start exhibiting psychological symptoms because you believe yourself to have a disorder you don't have or have been convinced you have a disease you don't have.


For the record, Baron Munchausen is a fictional German General known for tall tales about him doing insane shit to survive, like jumping from cannonball to cannonball to face the enemy, carrying a carriage on his shoulders, riding a half-horse into battle, and fucking getting stuck on the moon.

Here's the wikipedia page @pandascepter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Munchausen

Edit: Funny enough I was already explaining something before you pinged me @BigTiddyOneesan

 

[Tamerlane]

Anyway, absurdism is the belief that the world is so nonsensical, contradictory, and beyond comprehension that any attempt to find any objective meaning in life is futile, yet we must do so anyway as is the nature of our existence. The example Camus uses is Sisyphus rolling the bolder up the hill for it to come back down, yet the he does so with a smile on his face.

It's an existentialist philosophy that contrasts Nihilism, which believes there's no inherent meaning to life or the universe except for what someone determines for themselves, and deism, specifically the Abrahamic faiths, which believe the meaning of life or the universe is meant to be explained through the existence of an Abrahamic god.

It's deeper than that because there's a lot of literature with famous figures like Satre, Camus, Kafka, etc. all being famous writers about the period, and most 20th century literature features some absurdist themes because of how bad the World Wars were, so there's a lot on it. (Some examples include The Plague, Invisible Man, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Catch-22, The Stranger, The Wall, The Metamorphosis, etc.)


The "Socrates is fictional" is easier to explain. Essentially, the best account of Socrates we have is due to Plato in The Republic, which has him repeating a lot of philosophical ideas we know Plato himself held, so the logic goes that there's a possibility that rather than historical fiction, Socrates is a fictional character that Plato made up to use as a vehicle for some of his ideas. @bigtiddyoneesan

 

[pandascepter]

@Tamerlane

Yes it is, thats why i am interested with
Münchhausen Trilemma
Munchausen Syndrome

Long short story..... Munchausen Syndrome is as same as Placebo effect, but the opposite.

edit : wow Tamerlane, thank you.....

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@Tamerlane

and fucking getting stuck on the moon

Sure, this may seem far-fetched, but how can be we sure that he didn't get stuck on the moon? I invoke the Münchhausen trilemma.

I'd may as well add something interesting to the thread while I'm here though.

From https://fs.blog/2017/04/mental-model-hanlons-razor/

Hanlon’s Razor is a useful mental model which can be best summarized as:

‘Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect.’

It's an extension of Occam's Razor, the thought principle that states that the most simple explanation is also the most likely explanation. Hanlon's Razer is useful to be mindful of, because there exist many scenarios in which someone's ignorance may become another person's detriment, yet not intentionally.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

absurdism is the belief that the world is so nonsensical, contradictory, and beyond comprehension that any attempt to find any objective meaning in life is futile, yet we must do so anyway as is the nature of our existence

I'm glad this was a topic brought up in this thread. Personally, I have subscribed to the idea of Absurdism for a long time now (although nihilism is kinda tempting ngl).

 

[pandascepter]

@bigtiddyoneesan
I alrd explain the Münchhausen trilemma, @Tamerlane just explaining some Munchausen Syndrome, also, why dont you choose the topic from the image, if youre interesting, maybe youll overcome us than we expected.

Ill be reading the Hanlon's Razor later and doing some research on absurdism.

edit : @pantsman maybe this is late, but thats true, and interesting at the same time, i am doing some research on it, there is a bunch of ads like that.

For example : That one guy who teleported a motorcycle that'll be going to have some accident in China. And it was an ads for a game company....... First i thought it was real, but yeah.... whtever.

 

[Tamerlane]

@pandascepter

Oh yeah, two more things I recognize

The "mitochondrial eve" is because Mitochondria (the power of the cell, responsible for aerobic respiration and producing fucktons of ATP) has its own DNA, which doesn't go through independent assortment or other means of mixing genetics, so is pretty much genetically constant as it passes on matrilineally with minimal mutations or other factors. This is because, according to Endosymbioate theory, originally mitochondria and chloroplasts were different from early cells, but where combined somehow and managed to co-evolve into one organism. (Mitochondria are now an organelle, and arguably were never alive in the first place but whatever.)

Because of that, we can trace genetically by finding differences in unique DNA signatures and when they separate, and ultimately the first human female or group of females that were so genetically similar that all subsequent humans are descendants of them when determining ancestress from the maternal side. From what I've heard it's rough either in Nigeria, East Africa, or South-Eastern Africa depending on the "L" groups, and it's a bit fuzzy.

The male equivalent is the Y-Chromosomal Adam, and that's because the Y chromosome passes mostly in-tact from father to son, and surprisingly the first human male that all subsequent humans are related to existed several hundred years before the first woman all humans would be related to.

Keep in mind we're talking about timelines with variances of several hundred years also.


The other one I recognize is Aleister Crowley who is basically what you get if you combine a Slaaneshi cultist with a hedonist obessessed with Satan and the edges of human pleasure. He's known for some weird occult shit mostly and lots of orgies. Also he was British, so imagine a James Bond villain voicing him

There's more rabbits holes I recognize like Smith's/Pascal's Wager, Nihilism, Schopenhauer, Ego Death, Entropy, etc. and there's the obvious tragedies like Sandy Hook, JFK (BLOWN AWAY!), and basically most of tiers 1 and 2 on there but I don't have anything particularly deep to say about them

 

[Tamerlane]

@bigtiddyoneesan I personally shift between Absurdism, Taoism, Buddhist, Nihilism, Liberalism, and Popperian philosophy and I tend to wrestle with them in my head a bit.

Similar in a lot of ways and not similar in a lot of others.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@pandascepter
I'll do the Rothschild family. I already know a bit about them, so this is all just from my memory.

The Rothschild family is an elite family that holds a substantial portion of the world's wealth, and an even more substantial level of influence. The world elite, including but not limited to, Hollywood, the Vatican/Roman Catholic Church, high profile politicians/celebrities, and those with considerable wealth/connections, are all associated with/influenced by the Rothschild family. The world elite engages in, to put it lightly, highly illegal and immoral acts (which I do not wish to state specifically), and they are easily able to cover up or avoid the consequences of said acts due to the immense wealth and influence they collectively hold. Those outed as criminals, or those who are suspected of outing the crimes of the elite, will be swiftly dealt with, meaning killed, in order to be silenced. The Rockefeller family is comparable to the Rothschilds in its status. I'm pretty sure the Rothschilds rose to power through banking, but now own a conglomerate of various industries.

I guess my post was more about what the family currently plays a part in rather than its roots, but I'd say their roots are less important anyway.

 

[pandascepter]

I am interested in Optimistic Nihilism @Tamerlane i am really wondering, why do all this optimistic has a Nihilism in it ???

About that one cell, that cell is chad.

Aleister Crowley, i have read some of the biography, and its seems he is a bit freaky.....

@bigtiddyoneesan That's scary af. imagine having a 100 $ in a pocket is enough to scare me.

 

[Tamerlane]

@pandascepter Optimissic Nihilism is more a thing in entertainment than something based on actual philosophy, though several philosophers do come to mind.

Nietzsche believed that a person could rise above their social influences and become apart of the Ubermenesch if they rejected slave mentality and pursued their own wishes and desires

Schopenhauer probably is the one who popularized Pessimism, but probably not the negative traits associated with it as much as the idealized form of expecting the worst so you're never disappointed kinda thing

Buddhism is what inspired both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche to varying degrees and believes that suffering is inherent to existence due to the constant need for wants, desires, and lustings after wealth, materialism, and other superficial things like beauty, but it can be overcome by seeking inner contentment and removing attachments from yourself.

That tends to pair with Taoism which is about taking the world as it comes and embracing things for as they are. It's the "go with the flow" philosophy. Try not to force things, and seek a point in which things come naturally to you rather than trying to push against the current, so to say, even if society is expecting you to.

That's the best I can come up with off the top of my head and I hope it helps
@pandascepter

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@Tamerlane

I personally shift between Absurdism, Taoism, Buddhist, Nihilism, Liberalism, and Popperian philosophy and I tend to wrestle with them in my head a bit.

I realize that this is in some manner a useless question, as aspects of many schools of thought may be adopted and molded in order to improve the currently established doctrines, but if you had to choose one philosophy to live by, in that philosophy's truest form, which would it be?

 

[pandascepter]

Thank you, youll helping me a lot.

That's why sometimes i feel something's odds with my own theory.