Rework how the new comments system is to be implemented

[shinya78]

I swear, this time, this is my personal suggestion based on my original stance in the matter. It's rather detailed, almost to the point of a revamp, but hey, it's my two-cents.

Home page, Chapter Lists (Outside the reader):

• Revert the comment-container button back to its original function of redirecting to the forums.
• Counter should reflect combined comments and posts, otherwise, just the forum posts.

Inside the reader:

• Make the new chapter comments system exclusive to the reader, accessible via a small icon at a corner when the menu bar is hidden, or with the [Comments] button in the menu bar.
• Rebrand the [Comments] button to [Forum Discussions]
• The [Comments] button should function as it does now, taking over the old system's function.
• The [Comments] button's counter should only reflect the number of comments in the new system.
• Rename "Read # older comments." to [Forum Discussions] or any other acceptable wording, then make it a button and move it to the menu bar below or above the [Comments] button.
• The [Forum Discussions] button's counter should only reflect the number of posts in the forum thread.
• The [Forum Discussions] button should allow the creation of new forum threads if it is yet to be made.

I believe this configuration should satisfy the dissatisfied "mob", and lets the users have both cakes and eat them.

edit:
changed wording on the title (Reconsider -> Rework)

 

[psydynamite]

i for one love that they added an extra new comment section that holds 0 comments for every chapter that makes me have to do two clicks to get to the real comments what a good change!

 

[BestBoy]

argument

Easy there, it's not an argument in favor of or against. It's a possible explanation of the reasoning. It's also a reminder that you can't argue on behalf of the majority, when you're in fact a member of the minority. Your original comment doesn't qualify that you're only referring to the majority of forum users.

 

[Lunkli]

Easy there, it's not an argument in favor of or against. It's a possible explanation of the reasoning.

Even if the term has largely taken on a negative connotation in casual speech, a declarative statement on something (especially in opposition to another declarative statement on the same thing / something else) which is used to support a position is still an argument.

It's also a reminder that you can't argue on behalf of the majority, when you're in fact a member of the minority. Your original comment doesn't qualify that you're only referring to the majority of forum users.

This seems like unnecessary nitpicking, honestly. Like, when we're talking about the forum, why the hell would anyone assume I was talking about the opinions of people that don't use the forum? They're irrelevant to the situation, and you know that. And even then, the comment which you are responding to was literally about explaining why those people are irrelevant to the matter, and that was after multiple other people gave the same explanation, so it clearly wasn't difficult to tell why I was disregarding them.

Out of the people that care to participate in discussions on the site, the majority does not find the forums confusing. If you're going to bring people that only care about reading into this, you might as well bring in people that don't use the site at all. Or people that don't use the internet at all. This isn't even a slippery slope; these people are all equally relevant to this discussion.

When we're talking about discussion on this site, it is only reasonable to limit the discussion to only people that use the discussion systems on this site and care about discussion on this site.

So, I'm going to be honest. Your comment here seems extremely disingenuous. Your previous comment did do, but I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, then. I find it hard to justify doing that now.

If you have an opinion on this, then state that rather than trying to make up half-assed reasons for other people's arguments to be invalid. (And don't think I didn't notice that you're only taking issue with the premise of my argument, "most people like the forums," and are ignoring literally everything else, including the reasoning I've given for that argument.)

 

[BestBoy]

casual speech

Well, forum posting is casual speech in my book, and I don't really view providing a data point or hypotheticals as engaging in an argument.

forum

Maybe I misunderstood you. When I read the dev's response, to me he's referring to everyone that uses the site, not just forum users. I don't really see anything in your response that explains why the silent majority would be irrelevant, especially if the purpose of the new comment section is to remove the barrier of entry to engagement for those specific users (making a new account in a new tab on a separate website). There will be users who want to engage, but decide not to because of that. "People who want to engage, will engage" is not a nuanced enough point of view for real world circumstances. It's far too black and white.

Also, you are overanalyzing my replies looking for malice. And since you asked, I prefer the forums to the new comment section.

 

[Mangamoz]

We're still doing this? No one's even using the new comments anyway, not even those who can use it. Kinda don't feel they are worth all this drama.

 

[shinya78]

We're still doing this? No one's even using the new comments anyway, not even those who can use it. Kinda don't feel they are worth all this drama.

The suggestions are fine, it's calling for how the new stuff could be improved or how we can get a good compromise.

People still "arguing" about it? I say let it be, I even got into a small one that could be simplified as two guys shouting "just because you're right, doesn't mean you're correct" at each other in my other thread. At least the complaints about "paywalled comments" have died down to some degree when the fix to create forum thread came.

 

[Mangamoz]

The suggestions are fine, it's calling for how the new stuff could be improved or how we can get a good compromise.

People still "arguing" about it? I say let it be, I even got into a small one that could be simplified as two guys shouting "just because you're right, doesn't mean you're correct" at each other in my other thread. At least the complaints about "paywalled comments" have died down to some degree when the fix to create forum thread came.

Hopefully when they open comments to normies, they actually use them. Cause damn would I feel bad for the dev team. All that work, bugs, and backlash.

Just for everyone to step over it as if it was a turd on the sidewalk. (Disclaimer, I step over the new comments too...).

INB4 the monkey's paw curls, and when they do allow normies to use them, the mods will be swamped with sales bots trying to exploit the new comments. Oh, and can't forget the edgelord kiddies trying to write slurs indirectly.

 

[shinya78]

Hopefully when they open comments to normies, they actually use them. Cause damn would I feel bad for the dev team. All that work, bugs, and backlash.

Just for everyone to step over it as if it was a turd on the sidewalk. (Disclaimer, I step over the new comments too...).

INB4 the monkey's paw curls, and when they do allow normies to use them, the mods will be swamped with sales bots trying to exploit the new comments. Oh, and can't forget the edgelord kiddies trying to write slurs indirectly.

Hopefully, more stuff in the suggestions would stick for those willing to use the new system.

I don't see myself using it on the regular myself, last time that happened was V3.

Oh gawd no.

 

[Lunkli]

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Haha, look at that you've just ignored my entire comment again! I'm done with this; I'm not making the mistake of getting invested in an argument with someone that refuses to take anything I say seriously again.

 

[grrman]

Hopefully when they open comments to normies, they actually use them. Cause damn would I feel bad for the dev team. All that work, bugs, and backlash.

Just for everyone to step over it as if it was a turd on the sidewalk. (Disclaimer, I step over the new comments too...).

INB4 the monkey's paw curls, and when they do allow normies to use them, the mods will be swamped with sales bots trying to exploit the new comments. Oh, and can't forget the edgelord kiddies trying to write slurs indirectly.

My sympathy for the dev teams depends if this is a "we're doing just we're told" or a "we're all in on it" scenario. Given the one reply I've seen from a dev (Ataraxic) in this thread, I strongly suspect it's the latter, in which case, no sympathy.

They should just take the L already and undo this insanity that no one likes.

 

[Narf]

My sympathy for the dev teams depends if this is a "we're doing just we're told" or a "we're all in on it" scenario. Given the one reply I've seen from a dev (Ataraxic) in this thread, I strongly suspect it's the latter, in which case, no sympathy.

They should just take the L already and undo this insanity that no one likes.

I certainly share your feelings. Both of them being fully committed to this change, no matter people's feedback, and on feeling no sympathy if they crash and burn with forcing it on people who never asked for this change. If they are so hell-bent on ignoring their userbase in the hope of appealing to people used to instagram's and other social media sites's style, then they can deal with the bed they've made themselves.

I've admittedly never been the most active forum user, the chapter or title comments are pretty much all I've been active in, but I did use those quite a bit even if it just was for reading what people thought. Since this change went live, I've pretty much stopped that entirely. Sometimes I still clicked on what used to directly link to the comment thread out of habit, only to have that awful sidebar load up and I instantly lose all will to even bother. Yes, it's just one additional click to read the "older comments", but having this shit thrown in my face instantly kills any desire to bother.