Risou no Himo Seikatsu - Vol. 17 Ch. 72 - Spirit Maiden

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Probably due to how far behind the raw we are. I remember people begging for other groups to snipe just so they can "catch up to raw", completely disregarding the fact that this series isn't very easy to translate even for AI / MTL in the first place.
While scanslations are definitely beneficial for us now getting manga faster than it’s ever been before, now we get people who feel like they’re entitled to get EVERY manga available RIGHT NOW. And that just isn’t feasible.

Like, if folks are that impatient… the light novels have an official translation. Go that route if you want.
 
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Magic to pull the salt out of water already exists,
I know, but knowing one way to do something doesn't mean everything else is invalid. It can also potentially be expanded to other materials, like ores.
 
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It's not that only the MC can be insightful. he benefits from the hindsight of our world and sees the potential ways this magic can be used to harm rather than help. The two magic users in that room are too optimistic to really consider that their magic might be used for a purpose they didn't intend, and they have no idea about the mass manufacturing of magic tools that will soon hit the world which would allow for dangers.
It's not that they are optimistic and he is not. They just see this as a gimmick and neither the negatives nor the positives even register. I get that there are barriers that may seem insurmountable to them right now, but this is the case for many ideas IRL and yet we still understand their value and even work on them, despite the current impracticality.

I'd be convinced if someone at least said something like "Damn, this could be huge, too bad it's not anywhere near practical in this state". The fact that Zenjiro knows of golems certainly helps, but those two are supposed to be researchers - how can they even have the concept of "research" when making a simple connection of doll following orders -> substitute for human labour is unthinkable? If this was how humans in our world reasoned, we'd still be a pre-agriculture society.
 
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Our idiot mc contemplating the impact of humanoid automatons when the real horror lies with small/undetectable assassination applications. Something like hundreds of small “air golems” composed of carbon monoxide to float around someone or directly invade their lungs and disperse.
Not unless he himself proposes it and somehow learns how to gather carbon monoxide with magic. That world has no concept of chemicals, much less invisible, odorless ones.

As for a more classical automated assasin, that is most likely far too complex a task for a simple golem.
 
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Even beyond that, Zenjiro comes from a place that made computers and robots. Phones and modern technology work by being given concise instructions and building it from there. It is a lot easier for the average layman from our world who has seen robot factories and drones to see the starting point for those tech in hindsight.

Even the most intelligent of people can fall into fallacies and their own preconceived notions, particularly when the assumed limits are that 'The magic only accepts a few orders' and not that 'The orders aren't clear enough'. Instead of Turn Around, it could need 'Rotate 180 degrees' or the original words that summate to it. Also the small Golem cost 203 units, who knows how scale would work.

Also, I'm not entirely sure how many people can see the pieces that Zenjirou here has in his hands. Assuming someone more focused on practicality made the jump to how useful an Earth Golem could be moving large heavy objects, or if a modifcation (like replacing the water bit for salt water we got here) could change it so you could make iron or steel golems for defense, let alone the war crime to be of fire golems (backed by what I assume was a Wind Golem fanning the flames). The person would have to both 'Research the words' to make them functional, and know about the development of both Glass Spheres and Magic Tools that can make other Magic Tools to see Mass Production.

I'm 90% sure only Zenjirou currently has all of that info, maybe Espiridion. We can't be sure any other member of the cabinet has the insight into magic required or has read it, or the security clearance for any other part. And even Espiridion is focused on developing words/orders before enhancing the abilities.

How strange it is that we as a society harnessed steam in many ways, as it was lost and rediscovered, before being the backbone of how we produce energy? Internal Combustion Engines?

Edit: So yeah, it definitely isn't that everyone else is stupid. This is a real way that an isekai'd person from the real world would have different perceptions of technology. Recognizing similar leaps is pretty easy for pattern recognition to catch, which aren't always correct.
That's all fine, but I'm not even talking about such far reaching details. I find it unbelievable that the potential of this never even occurs to two people who consider themselves researchers. I get it, there are obstacles and the current state is nowhere near useful, but that's how it always is and was. I'm not expecting them to start brainstorming actual solutions, just the acknowlegement that this could be incredibly useful would convince me that they actually have functioning heads on their shoulders. It's not like this kind of thinking is exclusive to a technological civilization like ours - we also had to get here somehow.
 
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These two are Masters of their crafts. Therefore they know the limits of their skills and see no further. Zenjiro is a novice and one who has understanding of things not in this world. He doesn't know the preconceived limits and sees the dangers ahead.

I am reminded of Genia Maxwell from How the realist rebuilt the kingdom. She made a magical rechargeable battery at little cost, but only Souma recognized the full dangers it could yield.
They title themselves researchers and are used to inventing new magic that involves a lot of speculative thinking, as shown with the thesis discussion. They aren't just master craftsmen that do not see past the tools they use everyday. Espiridion at least has the excuse that he was just introduced to the topic, so maybe if he had time to think about it, it would click. The girl's family has known of this for generations, though and presumably had a version good enough to fool a lot of people in the past.
 
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Someone assumed this was dead after only two months?

Talk about impatient. I've got titles in my watchlist that haven't updated in a year or more. Sometimes there will be a new release when a new group picks up the title, and I'll have to read the whole thing over.
Just a few days ago, I had a title on my read list that suddenly got a new chapter for the first time in over five years (Murcielago Arana).
 
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As expected, he's harsh but fair. Which means he appreciates someone who makes an effort into these studies. And you never stop learning.

Salt water magic could be good on the seas, if you could use it to get rid of most of the salt.

The difference between closed, secret patents, and publicly available sources.

Always fun when the punchline is that it was really just a story.

So basically it was a regular ritual that more or less could be one we have in our world. Except the magic projection.

Telling them Jinnias don't exist is like telling a Christian God doesn't exist.

Two experienced magicians playing around with a water puppet. Seems legit.

Yeah, if you can make it out of water, other materials are probably possible. And to use it in war or something, you won't need that complex instructions, but you do need some. Still, just walking forward can provide a shield in a battle.

It starts. Well, something starts.

Doctor Freya.
yup. even magic projection is exist in this world. using the same method of lying or misdirection. Only a trick not really real magic
 
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Did my boi just invented drone warfare in a magical medieval world?

If the input of verbal commands is too time consuming, they could simply use the marbles as a pseudo remote controller.
they even can produce a computer or a endless energy generator if they can picture the mechanism
 
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C'mon fellas, cut the magicians a break for not envisioning the possibilities. For them, this spell creates a cute doll that can only follow the most limited of commands and has an existence of, what, 15 seconds? And it would take, in their estimation, 10 years to create a magic tool to 'summon' this cute, useless doll. From their point of view, what a colossal waste of time and effort to create a cute doll. Better to spend that researching spells that will actually do something.
 
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I was using the word more informally, as a technique other people aren't allowed to use, using secrecy as enforcement rather than legal means.
Maybe so, but it does seem that Nintendo does have in fact patents that are not public. As in, they are legally protected despite being kept secret.

That being said, if they are protected by being kept secret...why did you bother using the word patent? Just 'a secret' suffices.
 
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It's pretty ridiculous, to be honest. Those 2 are supposed to be some of the brightest people in the world, yet they can't fathom how world-changing such animated "dolls" would be if improved upon? Even if only the simplest orders were possible, it's still endlessly useful and versatile. Alas, only the MC can be insightful...
Gravity was 'discovered' in XVII century. First court was made in I believe XIII century. How long do you think it took for people to realize that feces on the streets causes people to be ill?

You would be surprised how simple and obvious things can be overlooked, but the moment you hear someone else mention them, you wonder why you couldn't have realized it before.

These people have no prior experience with even the idea of a golem. To them it's just a harmless blob of water that may become a bigger blob of water, that only some people will be able to use. Given time and advancing in it, they'll surely start asking "What else can it do?" and eventually progress to all these tasks...but it is actually quite reasonable for them to not be able to foresee such advanced consequences of the research. After all, nuclear bombs are unforeseen circumstances of research too, despite the research being about a source of massive energy that is basically 'screaming' "WEAPONS".
 
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Gravity was 'discovered' in XVII century. First court was made in I believe XIII century. How long do you think it took for people to realize that feces on the streets causes people to be ill?

You would be surprised how simple and obvious things can be overlooked, but the moment you hear someone else mention them, you wonder why you couldn't have realized it before.

These people have no prior experience with even the idea of a golem. To them it's just a harmless blob of water that may become a bigger blob of water, that only some people will be able to use. Given time and advancing in it, they'll surely start asking "What else can it do?" and eventually progress to all these tasks...but it is actually quite reasonable for them to not be able to foresee such advanced consequences of the research. After all, nuclear bombs are unforeseen circumstances of research too, despite the research being about a source of massive energy that is basically 'screaming' "WEAPONS".
Wait, there are some big misconceptions here. The "discovery" of gravity you're refering to is Newton's work I presume? Well, that was a complete mathematical model that was successful at predicting (some) planet's orbits, along with a whole calculus system. It can't be compared to the "simple and obvious" things you mentioned.

I don't know what exactly you mean about "court" but if it's the concept of judging someone institutionally, then it has already existed in ancient Mesopotamia, possibly even in pre-history. If those examples seem too different to you, then ancient Rome certainly shouldn't - there's a reason why much of modern law and principles is based on theirs.

It's hard to say when they realized, but probably around the same time when they came to know that corpses out in the open cause the same, so yeah - pre-history. I'm afraid that the story about medieval people just throwing shit on the streets and everyone being fine with that is a myth. Cities back then certainly weren't what we'd call clean but they did try. There were cleaners for city streets and communal cesspits where dumping was expected to happen. Germ theory was of course unknown, but that's just it - it doesn't take a modern scientist to notice that wherever some basic cleanliness isn't maintained, people fall ill in mass.

Nuclear weapons are a product of a massive project that was supposed to develop them. There's nothing unforseen here, unless you mean that Einstein and other physicists did not expect their work to be used like that. In that case, it's a story as old as humanity.

Yes, I would expect regular people with no magic development background to reason like this. Not those two however, their whole job is to think about new discoveries that would benefit their countries. Such people existed among IRL ancient civilizations and you'd be suprised what they would come up with. As I mentioned, Espiridion at least has an excuse, he hasn't had time to think about it. The girl however has worked on this for a long time and her family presumably had a far better version in the past - how has not anyone even entertained the concept that something that follows orders could be used more practically? I'm not talking about the details of how and what, just the very concept. I'd also understand if her ancestors decided not to work on this - after all, you can hardly make a pseudo-religious, supernatural figure start helping with mundane construction or something, they'd see this as counter to what they already did.
 
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Yes, I would expect regular people with no magic development background to reason like this. Not those two however, their whole job is to think about new discoveries that would benefit their countries. Such people existed among IRL ancient civilizations and you'd be suprised what they would come up with. As I mentioned, Espiridion at least has an excuse, he hasn't had time to think about it. The girl however has worked on this for a long time and her family presumably had a far better version in the past - how has not anyone even entertained the concept that something that follows orders could be used more practically? I'm not talking about the details of how and what, just the very concept. I'd also understand if her ancestors decided not to work on this - after all, you can hardly make a pseudo-religious, supernatural figure start helping with mundane construction or something, they'd see this as counter to what they already did.
Let's think of it this way... This ancient magic is used to summon a water spirit, and it's for-show for the most part. What else could they think in term of practicality, it's a water doll at best. Don't forget that originally the spell NEEDS to create water (the mockup here use water already brought to the scene, whereas in the past they'd have to materialize water out of thin air), so of course nobody'd expect it to be of use for anything.
 
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Let's think of it this way... This ancient magic is used to summon a water spirit, and it's for-show for the most part. What else could they think in term of practicality, it's a water doll at best. Don't forget that originally the spell NEEDS to create water (the mockup here use water already brought to the scene, whereas in the past they'd have to materialize water out of thin air), so of course nobody'd expect it to be of use for anything.
So you're saying that since it's made of water, then naturally it would not be able to perform any real physical tasks? All right, but wouldn't that train of thought immediately suggest "maybe modify the spell to make it out of rock or something"? Not only that, water dolls can still be useful - how about field irigation? Or simply the transport of water which is a challenge even IRL in large amounts, due to it's weight. This is what I'm talking about - there's no good excuse for the people involved not to have at least considered the idea. There are just too many potential applications for nothing to come to mind.
 
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So you're saying that since it's made of water, then naturally it would not be able to perform any real physical tasks? All right, but wouldn't that train of thought immediately suggest "maybe modify the spell to make it out of rock or something"? Not only that, water dolls can still be useful - how about field irigation? Or simply the transport of water which is a challenge even IRL in large amounts, due to it's weight. This is what I'm talking about - there's no good excuse for the people involved not to have at least considered the idea. There are just too many potential applications for nothing to come to mind.
1. Solid material wouldn't easily form shape, because you can't just "imagine" it.
2. They already have Water Creation Magic to literally summon magic freely, a water doll is redundant.
3. Again, anything that enables the doll to be "useful" are either already taken care of by a different magic or simply takes too much effort to use with this magic. Take Frikya's version, 203 mana only gives them a smol doll that lasts 30 seconds AND require water to be there, the full version would probably require 10k-20k mana and only a few people could even perform it.
 
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Magic that controls/manipulate salt water = naval warfare will never be the same again.
A port city ?? TSUNAMI ~!!
A frigate ? A battleship ?? Byeeeee ! Meet my water pillar hurricane things. Or maelstrom.
 

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