Ryuu to Ayumu Nariagari Boukensha-dou: Youzumi to shite S-Rank Party kara Tsuihou Sareta Kaifuku Majutsushi, Suterareta Saki de Saikyou no Shinryuu o…

[KuroeNekumi]

Oh joy, slavery teases. Super fun and not at all expected!

Let's hope it isn't played straight, and they just end up rescuing her or something.

 

[KuroeNekumi]

O . o

You do realize that that slavery is a deeply ingrained as part of Japanese culture, right? Even though it was publicly outlawed in the late 16th century, it still persisted in many forms right up until the end of WWII. And during the war there are estimates that 10 plus million foreign nationals were used in prison labor camps. Which also included state sponsored brothels that used civilian women as sex slaves.

So it's not so much them shoehorning slavery into every isekai, it's how Japanese view medieval society through the lens of their own history.

I mean...yeah. but the fact most japanese writers still find justifications to make the MCs participate in slavery, while making the relationship with those characters somehow develop around the subservience said slavery often pushes onto them... it just becomes worrying after seeing it repeat so many times.

 

[KuroeNekumi]

So, so GLAD that the translations haven't been censored to shit! That angers me when after like 10 chapters of uncensored gold, the translations immediately start blurring or black boxing all the tits and good parts.

Unfortunate if every time you see it happen comes from the translator team, because it's been years for me to see that.

More often than not for me, the censorship comes from the raws of the work instead, and the TL not wanting to delay the release by trying to de-censor stuff.

 

[Agent_Seagull]

This just ended. now we get our giant ugly nipples from this manga

Wtf is the manga I just read from your 'This' link

 

[Miserys_End]

I mean...yeah. but the fact most japanese writers still find justifications to make the MCs participate in slavery, while making the relationship with those characters somehow develop around the subservience said slavery often pushes onto them... it just becomes worrying after seeing it repeat so many times.

NGL I do think authors take a few too many liberties with slavery. Especially when children are involved. All to often slavery is used as a crutch. A method to quickly integrate their character into their new environment, or as a mascot for the audience to fawn over or rally around. No quicker way for an MC to farm aura then to save a cute moeblob from a sick and grotesque environment. Bonus points if she turns into a cute natural disaster that drags the MC into all manner of awkward situations.

That being said, i do feel some forms of Slavery are justified and even required. Namely I think lawfully convicted criminals should be confined against their will and in meny cases forced to complete meaningful restitution as part of their punishment. And that restitution should scale harshly with crimes that contained unprovoked violence or egregious suffering on part of their victims.

While true this is one of those slippery slopes, I see a failure here is one of regulations from the governing body not the prison system.

 

[OogieBoogie]

Oh good, a slave arc. Gonna go out on a limb and say the main group rescues her, and she's either a child who refers to Dion as older brother or papa. Either that or she's a magical race that only has a child-like body but is actually over 100 years old and teases Dion.

There's really only those two options here.

 

[Mangon]

Wtf is the manga I just read from your 'This' link

Not something fit for human consumption. Deviants only

 

[SunSun]

Holy shit, I didn't notice until now, but why is Eldora kneeling facing downwards on the staircase/tiered seating?

The artist drew the characters first then pasted the characters over the background.

 

[fujihiro]

Bro, why are you still salty?

Is that burin i see

 

[Kairiuk191]

Despite the obvious beautiful girls, I just love how this artist makes the expressions, especially the ones from the shit guy. They are just ao raw and powerfull.

 

[wiwowiwooo]

illegal drugs u say LOLLLLLL

 

[NatoBoram]

Uuugh

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

Ooo, a female Dobby~

 

[Eighty-six]

No, please not the slave trope. Please Mangaka. If you are going to "buy" a slave, at least free them immediately after.

In a pre-industrial society with an established institution of chattel slavery? With the slave presumably not having any useful skills (or at least the awareness thereof)?

You may as well give them back to the slaver, because the slave is liable to un-manumit themselves under the pain of starvation. It's like dropping a tortoise in a river because you think it's supposed to be in the water, and you think it knows how to swim.

Slavery is evil because there's nothing intrinsic to a given human being that would give them fundamental authority over another human being, but comments that don't engage with any context for the institution are lame.

 

[Moody0_0]

In a pre-industrial society with an established institution of chattel slavery? With the slave presumably not having any useful skills (or at least the awareness thereof)?

You may as well give them back to the slaver, because the slave is liable to un-manumit themselves under the pain of starvation. It's like dropping a tortoise in a river because you think it's supposed to be in the water, and you think it knows how to swim.

Slavery is evil because there's nothing intrinsic to a given human being that would give them fundamental authority over another human being, but comments that don't engage with any context for the institution are lame.

I say that because anything else would 110% be out of character for Dion. Given how he was treated as a slave by his former party due to Yuki's mismanagement. Not to mention he had so much empathy for a dying dragon, who he did not know would turn out to become Eldora and not just an oversized winged lizard, that he without hesitation used the last of his mana to heal it over saving himself.

Now you are telling me he thinks so little of someone who is basically not much different from who he was not to long ago that he is just going to toss a few coins to some sleazebag and think nothing of it? Last I checked MC isn't aiming to be a villain, so this is more like character deterioration. This is just the mangaka being lazy and not being able to come up with any other reason to introduce a support character to the cast.

 

[Eighty-six]

I say that because anything else would 110% be out of character for Dion. Given how he was treated as a slave by his former party due to Yuki's mismanagement.

He wasn't "treated as a slave". He was bullied by everyone except Yuki-- because they were doing it behind her back-- and it continued because he bore it, and he bore it because he valued his being in a party with his childhood friend Yuki, in addition to really thinking himself to be all-but-dead-weight on account of "only" being a healer.

Now you are telling me he thinks so little of someone who is basically not much different from who he was not to long ago that he is just going to toss a few coins to some sleazebag and think nothing of it?

What did you read? The guy injured himself trying to a heal a curse on an emaciated girl who was nearly dead, taking a chance on him being able to do anything at all for her just after explaining that curses normally can't be healed through healing magic. His purchasing of this still very emaciated girl was what brought her out of that dank, dimly lit underground dungeon and into natural sunlight and a freshly bought home. He then pledged to earn the money or whatever else was needed to emancipate her.

This is him exercising the same compassion he had for Eldora, in a way that's germane to the context.

Since you're arguing character inconsistency, we shouldn't go outside the context just yet. Instead of doing the aforementioned, should he have attempted to steal the girl? In a society where this slaver's business is legitimate? He'd have to rough up the slaver to get the chance to break the cell, which would be held against him by the government. Then he wouldn't be able to house the girl. Should he have destroyed the building to let all the slaves out, criminal or otherwise? They'd just get rounded back up, at best. This is even before getting into the implications of the existence of a slavery institution on the moral sense of the people in this setting-- there's be no mundane reason for Dion to be especially opposed to this institution.

This is just the mangaka being lazy and not being able to come up with any other reason to introduce a support character to the cast.

No, he deliberately chose to make this narrative. He could have as well created a narrative where they rescue a captured woman that's to be prepared for sale and, out of appreciation for her saviors, she becomes well-attached to the party. Danmachi more or less did this with Lili, though she was less a slave and more a second-class citizen who served in a vital yet disdained role in dungeon expedition groups.

 

[Moody0_0]

He wasn't "treated as a slave". He was bullied by everyone except Yuki-- because they were doing it behind her back-- and it continued because he bore it, and he bore it because he valued his being in a party with his childhood friend Yuki, in addition to really thinking himself to be all-but-dead-weight on account of "only" being a healer.

Exactly. He was a slave to the party. He was a slave to Yuki and their childhood goal. Because Yuki was neglecting in her duties as a leader did any of it even happen. Not just the abuse suffered from the rest of the party and Yuki's failure to see it, but Yuki's own blindness to Dion's own weakness, at least at the time, and dragging him around just to be a healbot. Even if unintentionally, weaponizing their childhood bond.

What did you read? The guy injured himself trying to a heal a curse on an emaciated girl who was nearly dead, taking a chance on him being able to do anything at all for her just after explaining that curses normally can't be healed through healing magic. His purchasing of this still very emaciated girl was what brought her out of that dank, dimly lit underground dungeon and into natural sunlight and a freshly bought home. He then pledged to earn the money or whatever else was needed to emancipate her.

This is him exercising the same compassion he had for Eldora, in a way that's germane to the context.

No it is not. Dion healed Eldora Thinking it would result in his direct death. He healed the slave as a hail mary, not knowing if anything would even happen. And don't try and say just because shes now a well fed and taken care of slave somehow makes things better. She is still a slave. And the morality of such is being brushed off by trying to have her gratitude being so great that she wants to serve Dion.

Since you're arguing character inconsistency, we shouldn't go outside the context just yet. Instead of doing the aforementioned, should he have attempted to steal the girl? In a society where this slaver's business is legitimate? He'd have to rough up the slaver to get the chance to break the cell, which would be held against him by the government. Then he wouldn't be able to house the girl. Should he have destroyed the building to let all the slaves out, criminal or otherwise? They'd just get rounded back up, at best. This is even before getting into the implications of the existence of a slavery institution on the moral sense of the people in this setting-- there's be no mundane reason for Dion to be especially opposed to this institution.

No. That would also be inconsistent as well.Dion has only saved those that he has happened to come upon or was already in the area. He didnt happen upon the slave market and wandering in and saw someone who needed help. He came to the slave market to save a buck. Not because she was cheaper due to being damaged goods, but they directly stated (before going to the slave trader) hiring an actual maid/butler would be to expensive. This is different, he actively sought out slaves, the only in character thing he did was saw something that was hurt and decided to heal it.

Also, he plans to activly leave this CHILD in danger. She may be 26, but she said herself elves dont physically mature till 30. So unless she has some OP magic, her muscles and such are that of a child. What stops a slaver, kidnapper, etc from taking her while Dion and the gang are gone for days in a dungeon? She is a "rare" race afterall, so the threat of someone doing that to make a buck is real.

No, he deliberately chose to make this narrative. He could have as well created a narrative where they rescue a captured woman that's to be prepared for sale and, out of appreciation for her saviors, she becomes well-attached to the party. Danmachi more or less did this with Lili, though she was less a slave and more a second-class citizen who served in a vital yet disdained role in dungeon expedition groups.

Yes, he deliberately made it lazy. Slavery wasnt even mentioned until these 2 most recent chapters. Literally pulled out of thin air as an excuse to serve as an easy introduction. "How can I introduce a new character that will have motivation to want to work with the party but also an excuse as to why they aren't already with another group. Oh they also gotta be a non combatant but also be easily liked by the audience. Oh I know, lets do the pitiful so sick shes basically a walking corpse slave girl!" It doesn't even compare to Lil'E, who at least at the time she was introduced, while not a primary combatant still was helpful in combat via her hand crossbow, and even served as an antagonist turned secondary protagonist. Even with her sad circumstances, she wasn't even that likeable at first since she stole from Bell, nearly got him killed, and her full backstory was not fleshed out so all you knew is she was trying to pay off debt by scamming others. She was designed to be hard to like at first, not a pity party. Hell, Brilliant Healer's New Life in the Shadows did both the slave trope better because he actually freed her expecting nothing in return. Not some vague promise of "Someday we will free you". And Beast Tamer did the whole maid/butler character better by them just buying a haunted house and befrending the ghost that haunted it.

 

[Eighty-six]

Exactly. He was a slave to the party. He was a slave to Yuki and their childhood goal.

It makes no sense to equate his willing ideological self-slavery, and the suffering that results from both that and his inability to speak up about his being abused, with this elf girl's forced chattel slavery.

And don't try and say just because shes now a well fed and taken care of slave somehow makes things better.

It literally does. It objectively does. I explained and contrasted the circumstances of her "before" and "after". Your ideological valuation of the fact that she remains a slave, doesn't trump the massive material improvements in her life.

It does matter that she's still a slave. But don't try to argue that that's literally the only thing that matters, as though there's no ultimate difference between her being above ground and not dying from a curse and her dying from a curse in a dank and dimly lit underground dungeon.

He didnt happen upon the slave market and wandering in and saw someone who needed help. He came to the slave market to save a buck.

But implicit to the act is that he provided them a manifestly superior lifestyle compared to being indefinitely imprisoned. Further, there's no reason to assume that his promise of emancipation wouldn't have been given to anybody else. It's true that, expressly, he was cheaping out, but you're not engaging with the totality of the consequences of his actions-- in part because you don't value the fact the material improvement of their circumstances.

Also, he plans to activly leave this CHILD in danger. She may be 26, but she said herself elves dont physically mature till 30. So unless she has some OP magic, her muscles and such are that of a child. What stops a slaver, kidnapper, etc from taking her while Dion and the gang are gone for days in a dungeon?

She fact that she's legally their property, in a society with an entrenched slavery institution that both grants that status and respects it.

Ironically.

I don't understand this argument, either. You wouldn't be able to expect even an adult that chooses the life of being a butler or maid, to defend themselves against brigands seeking to sell them.

Slavery wasnt even mentioned until these 2 most recent chapters.

But we're not even on the 40th chapter.

It doesn't even compare to Lil'E, who at least at the time she was introduced, while not a primary combatant still was helpful in combat via her hand crossbow, and even served as an antagonist turned secondary protagonist. Even with her sad circumstances, she wasn't even that likeable at first since she stole from Bell, nearly got him killed, and her full backstory was not fleshed out so all you knew is she was trying to pay off debt by scamming others. She was designed to be hard to like at first, not a pity party.

Thank you for explaining why I like her character's development. Like, I'm not arguing that this isn't lazy or trite-- I'm saying that there were other lazy things the author could have done, and he almost certainly didn't go with this out of an inability on his part.

 

[isoycrazy]

I am so glad discussions of slavery are calm and respectful affairs.