Sasha-chan to Classmate Otaku-kun

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I have no issue with people writing NTR shit even if I find that subject gross, what I take issue with is the fact that the series is outright sexualising literal children. Not even in the creepy way most manga/anime does with teenagers, these are prepubescent kids. I could accept the early volumes where they both just had an interest in sex/porn etc, cos that's normal for people at that age, but it's gone way too far imo. Honestly if you're actually into that shit then you're fucked (the kids part, idgaf if you're into NTR).
"literal" lol ok
I mean there have been manga/animes with sexualized loli/shota characters for a while so I'm surprised thats what theyre complaining about, I understand it about ntr because it's not such a common topic
I personally dont care about lolisho in particular, I see it as the anime equivalent of ageplay in real life, very weird but harmless

I have a natural disdain for recycled hentai authors
Why?

Why even go this route and not keep doing what he always did in hentai circles, it's stupid.
Because sometimes one prefers to read/write something with more history but not straight up hentai
 
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I mean there have been manga/animes with sexualized loli/shota characters for a while so I'm surprised thats what theyre complaining about
As much as I also dislike that, there is a large difference between the typical anime ecchi/fanservice shit, and porn involving minors - and not even the whole "oh she looks 12 but she's actually 5000 years old" horseshit. If you don't see the problem there you are too far gone.

I personally dont care about lolisho in particular, I see it as the anime equivalent of ageplay in real life, very weird but harmless
Refer back to my earlier comment about you being fucked in the head. Can you honestly not see the difference between a roleplay fetish (yes, a weird one by mine and most people's standards, but harmless), and sexualising an actual child? You seem to take issue with the word "literal", but what else would you call somebody who is in no uncertain terms stated to be 12-13 years old, other than a child? Then again, I should probably have expected some absolutely braindead rationalisation from somebody defending being into kids.

Because sometimes one prefers to read/write something with more history but not straight up hentai
This sentence makes no sense.
 
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Not really
The actual child isnt an actual child, its a character in a paper
Same with the roleplay, its an adult playing a character
Yeah I didn't think you'd see the difference. The type of people who are into that shit never do. There's not much point in me trying to articulate it - I'm not that good at putting it into words, and if english isn't your first language then that's not gonna help. However, I'll say this - the fact that the character is fictional doesn't matter to me. They are outright stated by the author to be children. Put it this way: if it was still drawn images, but far more realistic rather than an anime art style, would you still be ok with an author drawing kids in those situations?

Its because my english is bad or the concept in the sentence
Your english doesn't seem too bad, except for the last sentence.
 
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Don't cut my words where it makes a good argument for you, you slimy bastard. I said "I have a natural disdain for recycled hentai authors until they prove they can do an actual regular manga. There are tons of shitty smut mangas from adapted LNs and you can tell where the guys who draw the art come from".

It's pretty self explanatory.
 
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I believe it is the NTR that is putting people off.
TL;DR: It's mostly the NTR, but it's also the fact that her backstory is canon, since the porn is. The porn didn't need to be canon in the first place.

Sort of. Almost ALL the porn is canon. This includes all the men she's sleeping with before, during, and after the series, her continuing to perform sexually for random men like in her "Jr. Idol" days (This time in stream format), and the backstory, which is heavy stuff even for a Hentai world. Hagu had no reason to make any of that canonical, and he had even less reason to write even more NTR directly into the series by introducing Sanada as a sex friend in Chapter 30. Never mind Chapter 65 onward...

None of this added anything to the story, and half of these chapters feel like they're being written by a totally different person. The grossness is just being ignored until Hagu decides he hates his audience again and randomly slaps us with another Slut-Sasha-related bit of drama after a perfectly serviceable run of chapters.
 
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TL;DR: It's mostly the NTR, but it's also the fact that her backstory is canon, since the porn is. The porn didn't need to be canon in the first place.

Sort of. Almost ALL the porn is canon. This includes all the men she's sleeping with before, during, and after the series, her continuing to perform sexually for random men like in her "Jr. Idol" days (This time in stream format), and the backstory, which is heavy stuff even for a Hentai world. Hagu had no reason to make any of that canonical, and he had even less reason to write even more NTR directly into the series by introducing Sanada as a sex friend in Chapter 30. Never mind Chapter 65 onward...

None of this added anything to the story, and half of these chapters feel like they're being written by a totally different person. The grossness is just being ignored until Hagu decides he hates his audience again and randomly slaps us with another Slut-Sasha-related bit of drama after a perfectly serviceable run of chapters.
I wanna push back on the streams a bit. All the streams she did, she did after meeting Futoshi. So they are all erased in the ShiSho route. She may be doing streams, but we don't know. She hasn't mentioned them, and in this route she has more friends and is attending school, unlike in the Futoshi route. The only other activity we know she does is "fashion" modeling. Maybe that will be just that, she did try to do that legitimately in the doujins after her Jr Idols days, but her past "work" kept creating issues for her in that job. We'll have to see what Hagu does there. She did invite ShiSho to come to one of her shoots sometime(director making a re-appearance?)
 
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Creo que es el NTR el que está desanimando a la genll as elecciónes que esta tomando hagu definitivamente van limitar por no decir que aruinaran el "manga" Que esta creando

Creo que es el NTR el que está desanimando a la gente.
The decisions Hagu is making will definitely limit, if not ruin, the "manga" he is creating. Normal people want to see a manga labeled as "school life - SLICE OF LIFE - ecchi - romance", not a covert NTR. If I wanted that shit I would read "rent a girlfriend"
 
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None of this added anything to the story, and half of these chapters feel like they're being written by a totally different person. The grossness is just being ignored until Hagu decides he hates his audience again and randomly slaps us with another Slut-Sasha-related bit of drama after a perfectly serviceable run of chapters.
Nailed it, couldn't have said it better. I was fine with the series until chapter 30 - it wasn't amazingly written or anything, but a decent comedy with romcom aspects. Then Hagu fucked that into the ground for no good reason.

Can't comment on the specifics of the "other" Sasha works though. I skimmed 1 and a half of them and decided I knew enough, and now just jump right into the comments without bothering with the chapter lol.
 
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If you hate something just hit the fucking filter and remove tag you don't like. Fucking dumbass.
 
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People really need to stop calling this NTR when there wasn't an exclusive relationship in the first place. It's just reverse harem with Sasha in the center.
 
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You seem under the impression this site has a far more robust tag system than it does
What do you mean? it seems like the tag system is working fine, it just people being self righteous here, equalize(?) child in manga and reality. I just hate it since they will automatically low rating any manga without know the story. well it seem this manga is happen to be average.
 
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What do you mean? it seems like the tag system is working fine, it just people being self righteous here, equalize(?) child in manga and reality. I just hate it since they will automatically low rating any manga without know the story. well it seem this manga is happen to be average.
There’s a big difference between people being cool with a cute, if raunchy, middleschool rom com and people being cool with what this manga has goin on. Unfortunately the tag system we have currently has no way of letting us know about the sudden, sharp, and fucked up tone shift 2 volumes in.

It went from Dangers in my Heart to normalizing child sex trafficking and light Ntr
 
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I wanna push back on the streams a bit. All the streams she did, she did after meeting Futoshi. So they are all erased in the ShiSho route. She may be doing streams, but we don't know. She hasn't mentioned them, and in this route she has more friends and is attending school, unlike in the Futoshi route. The only other activity we know she does is "fashion" modeling. Maybe that will be just that, she did try to do that legitimately in the doujins after her Jr Idols days, but her past "work" kept creating issues for her in that job. We'll have to see what Hagu does there. She did invite ShiSho to come to one of her shoots sometime(director making a re-appearance?)

I think what @Thorgrin is getting at is the fact we have to even consider any of the routes & dojin at all to begin with.

As it stands, we need experts to map out timelines and Venn diagrams to consider what is canon or not. But Hagu didn't need to take that route, and should have had 'serialized Sasha' be completely divorced from the dojins. This was very likely the intention at the beginning of the series, as there were jokes and allusion pre-Chapter 30 to hint at 'dojin Sasha', but dodged it. The big was one the earlier Senpai: that earlier Senpai was just a one-off character who gave Sasha a music recommendation, and not 'dojin Senpai', reintroduced from the dojins into the serialized series.

It's a shame because mangakas retool characters all the time from their dojins. Nagatoro famously had a massive retool, and the most recent one off the top of my head is Michinoku from There is Also a Hole in the Student Organization!. Both characters got retooled into something that fits their genres and tones.
 
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I wanna push back on the streams a bit. All the streams she did, she did after meeting Futoshi. So they are all erased in the ShiSho route. She may be doing streams, but we don't know. She hasn't mentioned them, and in this route she has more friends and is attending school, unlike in the Futoshi route. The only other activity we know she does is "fashion" modeling. Maybe that will be just that, she did try to do that legitimately in the doujins after her Jr Idols days, but her past "work" kept creating issues for her in that job. We'll have to see what Hagu does there. She did invite ShiSho to come to one of her shoots sometime(director making a re-appearance?)
You may need to keep reading up some more, then. She's still streaming in this timeline. Streaming is basically all she does with Fuji in 533605. Not to mention the bonus bits the author put out in https://x.com/hughuginfo/status/1831008026435952667/photo/1
and https://x.com/hughuginfo/status/1830315585252782432/photo/1.

I don't know what you're referring to as far as the all this stuff about "Fashion modeling" in the doujins, though. 539474 is her in middle school, and she's just still a slut there. Like I said: I'm convinced the only difference between timelines is just individual events. If it involved Futoshi, it didn't happen. If it didn't, it's still the exact same.

When did she invite MC to go to a shoot?
 
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I think what @Thorgrin is getting at is the fact we have to even consider any of the routes & dojin at all to begin with.

As it stands, we need experts to map out timelines and Venn diagrams to consider what is canon or not. But Hagu didn't need to take that route, and should have had 'serialized Sasha' be completely divorced from the dojins. This was very likely the intention at the beginning of the series, as there were jokes and allusion pre-Chapter 30 to hint at 'dojin Sasha', but dodged it. The big was one the earlier Senpai: that earlier Senpai was just a one-off character who gave Sasha a music recommendation, and not 'dojin Senpai', reintroduced from the dojins into the serialized series.

It's a shame because mangakas retool characters all the time from their dojins. Nagatoro famously had a massive retool, and the most recent one off the top of my head is Michinoku from There is Also a Hole in the Student Organization!. Both characters got retooled into something that fits their genres and tones.
"Doujin Senpai" showed up once in Chapter 30.5, and was alluded to in 66 when Sasha showed MC the video. This other Senpai doesn't show up in the doujins at all, and was just dropped into the story to NTR MC directly. If we just assume that anything directly related to Futoshi just isn't canon here (e.g.: if she went to his home one day, she just went to some other guy's house), that seems to accurately cover the differences.
 
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You may need to keep reading up some more, then. She's still streaming in this timeline. Streaming is basically all she does with Fuji in 533605. Not to mention the bonus bits the author put out in https://x.com/hughuginfo/status/1831008026435952667/photo/1
and https://x.com/hughuginfo/status/1830315585252782432/photo/1.

I don't know what you're referring to as far as the all this stuff about "Fashion modeling" in the doujins, though. 539474 is her in middle school, and she's just still a slut there. Like I said: I'm convinced the only difference between timelines is just individual events. If it involved Futoshi, it didn't happen. If it didn't, it's still the exact same.

When did she invite MC to go to a shoot?
I dunno. Taking some twitter doodles as hard canon is dubious to me. He's said that if you're on the ShiSho route follow the fanbox and ignore the fantia as it's Futoshi, IFs and original drawings. It's all so wishy washy, that I don't take it too serious to the current events of the manga. I don't know where you're getting that she's in middle school during that sex tape doujin. She quit Jr Idol work when entering middle school. Though she still does modeling photos. She talks about it in chapter 68 of the manga and invites ShiSho to come to the next shoot. Ever since meeting master, until we get confirmation, I believe she's been too busy to bother with some activates like those streams.

A lot of her activity comes from being lonely and bored, and master has alleviated... some... of it. Not enough to stop her seeing sex friends, obviously. We'll see what happens in the future, but I just don't see the evidence of her still doing those streams in the current story. At the end of Sasha-chan ga Youkoso there's a spoiler panel that talks about Sasha trying to become a model, but failing due to problems from her past jr idol work. Gradually starts work as a model again and gets married soon after graduating. So seems to line up with what Hagu wants and hasroughly outlined for the end of Sasha and ShiSho's story.
 
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What do you mean? it seems like the tag system is working fine, it just people being self righteous here, equalize(?) child in manga and reality. I just hate it since they will automatically low rating any manga without know the story. well it seem this manga is happen to be average.
Then please explain to me, step by step, how to utilise the tag system to block manga like this. I'll wait. And if you can't see why some people take issue with even fictional kids being depicted in these types of situations, in a blatantly fetishistic manner, then I'm not sure what I can tell you. I think it's mostly the tone that bothers me - I can see a series that explores these themes in a different way working, but this is clearly just Hagu putting his fucked up fantasies on display in a way that felt like a massive bait-and-switch to people who didn't know who he was before, like me.

Btw, I think "equate" would be the right word rather than equalize. Not 100% though.
 

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