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Interestingly enough, I posed two questions to Hagu on his twitter after chapter 72 got released. One of them he liked and one of them he didn’t respond to.

The first question dealt with whether or not Hagu will introduce some level of sexual exclusivity with the master and Sasha (or will it only remain on an emotional level) - since let’s be fair now we really don’t like Sasha getting dogged by other people. He didn’t react to that one.

The second one dealt with whether or not Sasha would actually experience character development (and not have it be just Master undergoing all the change) and if that promise of “once you’re my boyfriend I’ll do as you say” be brought up later as a plot device. He left a like on that one.

So hope that helps clear things up with the future direction of the story. Looks like we may never get the monogamous route of Sasha/Master.
hey, sorry for just writing to you but it seems like you know a lot about Sasha Chan, I'm looking for someone who can answer my questions because I'd like to know more about the manga and how it relates to the doujin. And since I saw that you wrote Hagu on twitter, I also wanted to know what his name is? I'd really appreciate it.
 
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Has Haguhagu ever actually confirmed there was a retcon or are people just assuming there was even though nothing before chapter 30 conflicts with anything later?
 
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Has Haguhagu ever actually confirmed there was a retcon or are people just assuming there was even though nothing before chapter 30 conflicts with anything later?
There are slight conflicts, but the biggest part is really the tone-shift. That and early Sasha behavior not really making much sense when you know she has done the things she has.
 
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There are slight conflicts, but the biggest part is really the tone-shift. That and early Sasha behavior not really making much sense when you know she has done the things she has.
So that means nothing is confirmed and people are making assumptions with no serious evidence. Also I feel like there wasn't really a serious tone shift, Sasha has always been very overtly sexual and the only thing that changed is that we now know she has multiple partners.
 
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So that means nothing is confirmed and people are making assumptions with no serious evidence. Also I feel like there wasn't really a serious tone shift, Sasha has always been very overtly sexual and the only thing that changed is that we now know she has multiple partners.
That confirmation is by itself a pretty massive tone-shift. It recontextualizes the initial premise into one most people (I assume from the backlash) aren’t fond of.
The assumptions are built on characters acting out of character given information we have now, but yes, nothing concrete like the author saying he retconned it or anything.
 
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Has Haguhagu ever actually confirmed there was a retcon or are people just assuming there was even though nothing before chapter 30 conflicts with anything later?
There were plenty of contradictions. Chapter 30 onward are definitely retcons.

Take a look at this review on MAL.

And this is before we get into the fact that her entire attitude towards sex changed from Embarrassed-to-talk-about-sex-openly "I learned about choking play o////o", and "Refuse to spend time with another guy because I like this one best"... to "Let me just tell you about every guy I'm fucking without you even asking", and "Who cares if he's not my favorite? Dick is dick, and this hole is empty!"
 
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Ratings aren't even trustworthy because some people just see loli and instantly 1-star. I only wanna hear opinions from actual ecchi romcom enjoyers and/or lolicons, the target audience.
This is the target audience. The series sat at almost full 8 stars before the retcons. The only reason it's still this high, and not at the 4.66 the recent reviews get it to is because of the bait and switch in the first two volumes. People read them ages ago, gave the series a great score, then didn't come back to read the new chapters.
 
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I came across an interesting interaction on X between Hagu and what appears to be a new reader about chapter 72:
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So, yeah, this is how it is, straight from Hagu. I really don’t get how some people try to romanticize this.

Also, gotta give Hagu props for understanding the criticism.
 
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There were plenty of contradictions. Chapter 30 onward are definitely retcons.

Take a look at this review on MAL.

And this is before we get into the fact that her entire attitude towards sex changed from Embarrassed-to-talk-about-sex-openly "I learned about choking play o////o", and "Refuse to spend time with another guy because I like this one best"... to "Let me just tell you about every guy I'm fucking without you even asking", and "Who cares if he's not my favorite? Dick is dick, and this hole is empty!"
Most of those examples can be easily explained with character development happening offscreen. And if minor discrepancies were a sign of retcons in the first place then something like Jojo would be constantly getting retconned.
 
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This is the target audience. The series sat at almost full 8 stars before the retcons. The only reason it's still this high, and not at the 4.66 the recent reviews get it to is because of the bait and switch in the first two volumes. People read them ages ago, gave the series a great score, then didn't come back to read the new chapters.
The target audience has always been people who already liked Haguhagu's work. Anyone who followed him would have known from the beginning that this Sasha isn't a virgin.
 
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Has Haguhagu confirmed that the events of the doujins are exactly canon to the same universe or are we just dealing with slightly different universes like how Fate/Zero is technically a different universe from Fate/Stay Night instead of a direct prequel? Since Sasha sleeping around with the same characters doesn't necessarily mean that the events happen exactly the same way.
 
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Has Haguhagu confirmed that the events of the doujins are exactly canon to the same universe or are we just dealing with slightly different universes like how Fate/Zero is technically a different universe from Fate/Stay Night instead of a direct prequel? Since Sasha sleeping around with the same characters doesn't necessarily mean that the events happen exactly the same way.
If you mean him confirming that each doujin is directly connected to the serialized work then I don’t think so. However, with characters being introduced in the main work that was only ever found in the doujins, it is more likely than not that the they are connected (other than the IFs and Futoshi’s route).
 
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If you mean him confirming that each doujin is directly connected to the serialized work then I don’t think so. However, with characters being introduced in the main work that was only ever found in the doujins, it is more likely than not that the they are connected (other than the IFs and Futoshi’s route).
In that case it is still possible that the exact events that happen in the doujins aren't canon and Sasha's partners are also alternate universe versions in the manga just like Sasha. And if that's the case then we can't use the doujins to predict the exact timeline of the manga or determine whether there was a retcon because of conflicts with the doujins.
 
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In that case it is still possible that the exact events that happen in the doujins aren't canon and Sasha's partners are also alternate universe versions in the manga just like Sasha. And if that's the case then we can't use the doujins to predict the exact timeline of the manga or determine whether there was a retcon because of conflicts with the doujins.
It is possible yes but highly unlikely. I would like to point out that the character representation within the doujins have remained pinpoint accurate with the serialized work. Most of the doujins occurred before Sasha even meets master and her behavior has remain consistent between all works as well.

If you want to say that while her sex friends may be the same (as seen from the dance senpai from chapter 30.5 who she mentions is really good at sex) and the most recent one, their doujins may not be entirely accurate then sure. But it is confirmed that she has had a physical relationship with them and the doujins draw the most inspiration to picture that.

Either way, the future direction of the story is speculation at best but the doujins does give a damning perspective on how it could unfold.
 
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It is possible yes but highly unlikely. I would like to point out that the character representation within the doujins have remained pinpoint accurate with the serialized work. Most of the doujins occurred before Sasha even meets master and her behavior has remain consistent between all works as well.

If you want to say that while her sex friends may be the same (as seen from the dance senpai from chapter 30.5 who she mentions is really good at sex) and the most recent one, their doujins may not be entirely accurate then sure. But it is confirmed that she has had a physical relationship with them and the doujins draw the most inspiration to picture that.

Either way, the future direction of the story is speculation at best but the doujins does give a damning perspective on how it could unfold.
Yeah the style, tone and mood is definitely the same as the doujins since that's been the whole point since the beginning, my point is just that debating their canonicity is meaningless for the minute details like whether there was a retcon or not.
 
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Yeah the style, tone and mood is definitely the same as the doujins since that's been the whole point since the beginning, my point is just that debating their canonicity is meaningless for the minute details like whether there was a retcon or not.
The readers that complain about the retcon were moreso thrown into the manga believing that a) the serialized work would carry a different tone than the doujins (as in Sasha wouldn’t be sleeping around) and b) have no idea of who Sasha was to begin with and are parroting what people in the comment were already saying.

In terms of arguing canonicity, I would argue that it is far more likely that they are canon and relate to the main story in some way but like you said it’s speculation at best. The serialized work feels more like an extension of the doujins if you know what I mean.
 
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Most of those examples can be easily explained with character development happening offscreen. And if minor discrepancies were a sign of retcons in the first place then something like Jojo would be constantly getting retconned.

Tell me which, and how.

Because I'm not seeing how "Character development" turns "Why didn't you hang out with Sanada Senpai?! He's super popular! You can't let this chance slip away!" into "You've been telling us this whole time about the sex you've been having with Senpai, and we don't think it's our place to tell what do to sexually", and how that fits with "I bet he's going to ask for nudes now. WHY ARE YOU SENDING THEM TO HIM?!" just four chapters later.

That whole situation only makes sense if Sasha isn't sleeping around, Sanada only just now approached her, she turned him down in favor of MC, and her friends only heard about this through a rumor.
 
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Ratings aren't even trustworthy because some people just see loli and instantly 1-star. I only wanna hear opinions from actual ecchi romcom enjoyers and/or lolicons, the target audience.
The problem is, even I'm into that shit, and I don't find this appealing. It's an entire bait-and-switch, where the main premise is that this girl is fucking around and the guy is using it as inspiration for the manga. That's not what was promised from the first 30 chapters. Ecchi, as all things, needs to be upfront about what they are.

Nor should I need to know a author's entire background to understand that this isn't for me. Because why would I?
 

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