Let's evaluate the situation a little bit. Because good ol' "Anonymous" (coward) sure likes to play the victim card as much as possible. As well as all these goofballs screaming "signed!"
When batoto decided to retire, it was a bummer. They were never particularly super large (in comparison with other aggregators), but it was a fun little point in time. Certainly the hyperbole of "the community was in a frenzy" never actually happened. However, this first paragraph is just the set up. Attempting to weave a nice little tale if you will. One where the young plucky scan groups were in peril! They were naive! They were subjected to "targeted hate" by the readers. Woe!! Oh Woe!!!
So... where is this "targeted hate" you guys seems to
love to cry about? A cursory glance at the comments of any of the series that these groups scanalated certainly doesn't demonstrate the level of mass hysteria these poor victims insinuate. So... where is it? Did someone send one of you guys a mean message?
Aww... It's certainly cute how you try to make it all seem like you were "forced" to post your scans here. But the truth is you're just setting up a lovely narrative to absolve yourselves of responsibility to any readers of your series. After all, no one would blame a victim.
Since your entire post seems so keen on making assumptions and accusations let's join in and do some too! At one point most of your groups were small start ups. You relied on batoto for your uploads so that they could assume all responsibility for any DMCA or C&D and you could scan peacefully reaping in any such benefits. Even then you were more concerned about
yourselves than you were anything else. It was always "what can
they do for
us". If we're talking "rose colored glasses", then you're looking back at the site of batoto with them. It was a site plagued with problems at it's core.
Of course if we look at how all the groups listed are now. They're some of the much larger groups in comparison to the vast majority. Funny, that.
Wait a minute... Oh wow! Those sure are some inflammatory statements made by Holo!! But... who is he talking to? That's weird. It's like he's just saying lines that could potentially be innocuous given the conversation but that could be considered quite bold if taken out of context! But really. The nerve, right? He wants to eventually go legit and turn his (and the staff's) hard work into something more for themselves! Hmph! How presumptuous! Who would want to go legit!?
Damn, sorry. I forgot,
Hatigarm recently got hired by Mangatoon as a legit translation group for the series. (Tales of Demons and Gods) It's ok for them to go legit and "charge people", though.
Meraki gleefully uploaded all of their work over to MangaDex upon receiving a DMCA so they could avoid any legal troubles (sounds familiar?) Let's face it. They're still upset that they were "censored" (which should be obvious by how Retard goes around from manga comment to manga comment advocating for them)
Champion Scans advertises that Patron's can get 129 Patron only posts if they donate and lock chapters behind a paywall.
Jaiminis Box enjoy inflating costs and makes quite the nice profit monthly off of pateron as well. They were banned on r/manga for self-promotion at one point before the rules changed. They also gleefully snipe from smaller groups. Not that I particularly care about the sniping.
ShoujoHearts & SilentSky will gladly accept your donations via Paypal!
NinjaScans doesn't display their accumulated Donations, but also doesn't use a paywall like some others.
Crossbreed who?
Returner Wowee - who cares? This dude has had a hate boner for this place for a long time and has been actively going around like an obsessed ex-girlfriend acting like a victim in the comments.
They act like Chicken Little and scream that the sky is falling by analogously using Fakku as an example which is silly at best. Fakku was always very hush hush about things behind the scenes and had very little transparency from the start. MangaDex on the other hand has been pretty forthcoming about their intentions as well as keeping the community up-to-date with changes. Including having important items posted at the very top of the front page.
You bring up Embrace, Extend Extinguish! Further doubling down on your stance that you're being "used". But the fact is if MangaDex is guilty of using "EEE" then so are you!
You embraced the MangaDex community. You used it as a refuge to post your works and build up your readers.
You extended the offer for readers to "read it first on your site!" by putting delays on some of your uploads. In JB's case weeks!
Now that you're satisfied you make a big show about your departure in an attempt to Extinguish your benefactor.
This is less about MangaDex and more about your ego's and money.
Meraki themselves made it clear in their
first departure statement (yes this is their
second one now) when they openly encouraged readers to read their works on "other aggregators". Their main problem is that they were "censored" and couldn't respond to childish provocations. As if people give a shit. It's their own ego taking a hit and they couldn't tolerate it.
Hatigarm made it clear this was about money in their post. As well as people "sniping".
What this all boils down to is some of these groups simply want preferential treatment.
They want MangaDex to acquiesce to all of their demands whenever they see fit to make one. Whenever they don't get their way they make a mountain out of a mole hill and start throwing out buzzwords to victimize themselves in the eyes of the average person and reader, while villainizing MangaDex. Then they hold any popular series they're doing as hostage and use it as a bargaining chip.
They are here to make money. They love to cry about how expensive scanning is and they throw out vague reasons they need more funds but at the end it's all about Profit. It's the reason some series get published at a much faster rate than others. They love to say "Oh we have to pay translators!" and some of them certainly do! However, they do it because they know it will make them more money than what they paid to begin with. Pay a translator 10 bucks for a chapter, make 20 from donations. This is why some groups want MangaDex to bow to them and make sure they have the "exclusive" scanning rights.
They're not doing it for the love of the series. which should be obvious to anyone with half a brain when you see how psychotic they get when they get sniped. Pretending like they have some sort of moral high ground in the situation. They'll cry foul while doing it to others as well. Like the time Meraki happily sniped Trash on Peerless Dad because they're petty. Or all the series JB has sniped. We could fill an entire thread with talks of such things.
So you guys can use all the superfluous terms and cry that your victims all you want. I'm sure when you were typing your post you thought your last line would be some kind of cool mic drop or something. Like you were a poet for the ages fighting for the little man. But it wasn't. No one forced you to do a fucking thing. You were a willing participant and joyfully reaped the benefits of this community by building up your readers. The only readers you guys are actually thankful for are the ones who give you ad revenue and donate to you through your various platforms.
What's truly enlightening about all of this is that you guys are collectively incapable of seeing just how shitty you are. Your ego's simply don't allow it. If you're "getting hate" it's probably for a reason. While you try to rationalize it and say "Oh
those people are wrong" or "They don't know!" but even still in the end you're unable to look inward and see that so many people can't be wrong. MangaDex isn't the problem. People like you are.
What have you guys actually provided to
this community? Truly? I can guarantee you've taken more than you've given.
My condolences to all of those who are part of these groups that had to get swept up in the petty ego's of individuals who thrive on drama in their lives.
None of these groups were ever wearing rose colored glasses. The only pair they owned were the ones they stole from readers.
Edit: After a post by
@Everath, he has clarified that he has removed the link for PayPal donations and hasn't been using it. Only receiving $10 this year total.
I actually respect his clarification and his stance on it. Your site needs to be faster, homie!
Anyone else can verify as well here:
http://www.silentsky-scans.net/
I personally support people who avoid for profit scanning. Hope others will too.
