Sensitive Boy - Vol. 2 Ch. 16 - Limit and Blockage

[Colomopri]

Goblok

 

[krater]

sensei best girl.

I wish you meant the guy one

 

[Gobilu]

sensei best girl.

Indeed

 

[Fluffyfish]

Finally the drama hits. This was actually pretty interesting. You are crazy though if you think the point of this drama is to make the readers hate Tsubasa (we just got a whole POV chapter of her). Here she basically represents the "others" that can't really understand Kaede's situation, even if they mean well. But it's also about Kaede dealing with how to tackle the situation when it comes to others. Obviously he shouldn't have to deal with this shit, but he also can't expect everyone (no matter how "kind" they are) to be able to deal with something this heavy when he drops his past all at once at someone.

You can also feel this "contradiction" (which goes both ways) when he thinks that she didn't actually mean it when she initially sympathized with him (but we know that her "bad thoughts" only came later). Seems pretty well written for now, no idea where it's going though. But since the author went through the trouble of making Tsubasa sympathetic (arguably), I assume they won't just write her off the story after this.

 

[Iratana]

Honestly, I'm just looking forward to her friend criticizing her.

 

[ColorlessBoy]

Kaede isn't an ass. His friends Izumi and Asahi aren't asses.

There are characters right here who are not asses.

When she first touched him and he yelled, was that not being an ass?
When he ran away from her and got mad at her for reaching to him, was that not being an ass?
Was getting together just because he wanted to feel normal and have a girlfriend, then not being immediately honest about what happened to him and even when she clearly misunderstood, not being an ass?
If you're answering "no, because he's a victim and he had a good reason for it" to those questions, you are excusing acts that while perfectly reasonable, are still unkind.

I don't get why people always need to weigh faults and then decide who's in the wrong. Most of the time, it's everyone and no one. People hurt each other, people fumble through life having no clue about a single thing, and that's all the more true when we're talking about teens.
Yes, she was insensitive and she hurt him, but it's understandable why it happened. He also hurt her and shut her out with his own reaction to her feelings, and yes, it's obviously because of what she told him, but he still did hurt her back.

People aren't just born aware of how to deal with bad stuff. They learn by going through and talking about it.

 

[kz-eru17]

Finally the drama hits. This was actually pretty interesting. You are crazy though if you think the point of this drama is to make the readers hate Tsubasa (we just got a whole POV chapter of her). Here she basically represents the "others" that can't really understand Kaede's situation, even if they mean well. But it's also about Kaede dealing with how to tackle the situation when it comes to others. Obviously he shouldn't have to deal with this shit, but he also can't expect everyone (no matter how "kind" they are) to be able to deal with something this heavy when he drops his past all at once at someone.

You can also feel this "contradiction" (which goes both ways) when he thinks that she didn't actually mean it when she initially sympathized with him (but we know that her "bad thoughts" only came later). Seems pretty well written for now, no idea where it's going though. But since the author went through the trouble of making Tsubasa sympathetic (arguably), I assume they won't just write her off the story after this.

For me the whole point of this manga is 'development'.

Kaede is trying to overcome his trauma, felt happy to finally found someone who (he thought) could understand him, then depressed when it's turned out she's not ready to accept him and his past. He's done nothing wrong to this point since he's still on the receiving end of everything.

Tsubasa is exposed to a whole new emotions and experiences. She's having a hard time processing it and got no help (yet) so her mind is in a chaos state. Yes she's wrong for voicing her thought and hurt Kaede, but I would consider this a part of her development. If author want to antagonize Tsubasa they can just do it in earlier chapter, but no, they gave Tsubasa a few chapter to process herself and even though she took the wrong direction, this will contribute to her 'growth' as character. Now is the right time for her to receive help, learn, and be a better self.

Now do I hope this won't snowball further into a worse situation.

 

[comeonnow0]

When she first touched him and he yelled, was that not being an ass?

Lol. As they do say, you're reaching, but you have no arms.

No, he wasn't. They were strangers. He owed her nothing.

When he ran away from her and got mad at her for reaching to him, was that not being an ass?

Again, strangers. He did not actually hurt her, nor did he intend to hurt her.

Was getting together just because he wanted to feel normal and have a girlfriend, then not being immediately honest about what happened to him and even when she clearly misunderstood, not being an ass?

"just because"

You're wrong. He didn't get together "just because" he wanted to feel normal. That's part of it. But he also genuinely got to know her a little and then started to like her, and then he agreed to go out with her.

And not being immediately honest about what happened to him? He did. Like, what is your criteria for "immediate"? First sentence out of his mouth? It looked like he was honest with her fairly early on in their relationship.

What are you expecting him to do? Go up to every stranger and say "Hello, I was raped by a woman two years ago.". Is that your standard? Your standard is crap.

If you're answering "no, because he's a victim and he had a good reason for it" to those questions, you are excusing acts that while perfectly reasonable, are still unkind.

That's not my answer. I'm giving completely different answers.

If a non-rape victim did the above (excluding the part about telling her about being a victim, because that wouldn't make sense), then I'd have no issue either. If a non-rape victim just was scared and yelled when she touched him, I'd be like okay, whatever. That's not him being an ass. Same for the pulling away.

I don't get why people always need to weigh faults and then decide who's in the wrong. Most of the time, it's everyone and no one. People hurt each other, people fumble through life having no clue about a single thing, and that's all the more true when we're talking about teens.
Yes, she was insensitive and she hurt him, but it's understandable why it happened. He also hurt her and shut her out with his own reaction to her feelings, and yes, it's obviously because of what she told him, but he still did hurt her back.

People aren't just born aware of how to deal with bad stuff. They learn by going through and talking about it.

I gave the example previously about racist grandparents/old people. They have basically zero ill intent in being racist. But they are. And as an objective standard, that's bad.

"They learn by going through and talking about it" Yes. I agree. But we still hold people to certain standards EVEN IF we can show they never actually learned. We say they should have known even if they didn't actually know.

And you disagree. You say we shouldn't hold her to that standard. And I say we should because she still lives in society, still should be held accountable.

What you're doing is not giving people a chance to learn. What you're doing is preventing her from being responsible for her own actions. You try to paint her actions as not her own, as being the result of other things. She is a person too, and she should be responsible for herself.

You're also ignoring Asahi and Izumi. They haven't been asses (so far in the story).

 

[loveis_freely]

“you’re a guy, so was it really that difficult to go against her” ermmmm krill yourself

 

[redtanuki]

When she first touched him and he yelled, was that not being an ass?
When he ran away from her and got mad at her for reaching to him, was that not being an ass?
Was getting together just because he wanted to feel normal and have a girlfriend, then not being immediately honest about what happened to him and even when she clearly misunderstood, not being an ass?
If you're answering "no, because he's a victim and he had a good reason for it" to those questions, you are excusing acts that while perfectly reasonable, are still unkind.

I don't get why people always need to weigh faults and then decide who's in the wrong. Most of the time, it's everyone and no one. People hurt each other, people fumble through life having no clue about a single thing, and that's all the more true when we're talking about teens.
Yes, she was insensitive and she hurt him, but it's understandable why it happened. He also hurt her and shut her out with his own reaction to her feelings, and yes, it's obviously because of what she told him, but he still did hurt her back.

People aren't just born aware of how to deal with bad stuff. They learn by going through and talking about it.

Holy fuck can just let us dislike a victim blamer damn she a bad person the author's probably going give her a Redemption arc and make her suck less so fuck off and wait
Tsubasa defender are so weird if guy's were acting like this defending a guy doing the she shit she did they be an Incel hands down no question

 

[Faint15]

Imagine thinking fight or flight responses from deep trauma is being an ass.

 

[kent12121]

Spoiler

I fist-pumped when Aya laid her out for being a dick. She isn't at fault for her upbringing, nor for thinking what she thinks, but for voicing it out loud and blaming the victim.
I hope this brings out a real change in her, seeing that even her friends found what she did despicable.
I hope the writer doesn't go the easy way of having her experience a SA just to "empathize" with the MC.
So far she's been cornered and isolated, her friends retired her support on her, she can't really talk to her mom, and she has no other person to rely on. The looming threat of the "tutor" her mom hired is still up, Theories say it may be Kaede's abuser, which is fucking weird, but the alternative is even worse, a male that will take an isolated child, groom her, and abuse her. and that is really, really fucking bad, both for the story, and the message it gives to the reader.

Spoiler

i dont think her friends abandoned her, maybe except for aya. although i find it really weird how momoka was in that entire scene without saying anything and then she leaves tsubasa out there crying. that part was badly written imo, even more considering how she defended her before and seemed to be a close friend. if anything the more logical approach would be for her to be on her side to help her with that instead of just abandoning her there lol

 

[Rafalga]

Spoiler

i dont think her friends abandoned her, maybe except for aya. although i find it really weird how momoka was in that entire scene without saying anything and then she leaves tsubasa out there crying. that part was badly written imo, even more considering how she defended her before and seemed to be a close friend. if anything the more logical approach would be for her to be on her side to help her with that instead of just abandoning her there lol

Spoiler

Momoka was speachless the entire time becuase she didn't grasp the implication of what Tsubasa actually did until Aya spelled it out. Now she feels just as guilty since she defended her against the bros in the previous chapter. If Aya knew that, she would get some words thrown out to her way as well.

 

[Rafalga]

Spoiler

We will see some Tsubasa defenders until the well deserved friendly-fire smack down by Aya it seems. She laids down the law pretty straight so there shouldn't be any more "confusion" for the "she is not bad" crowd.

 

[Jacktris]

they got no hope anymore lmaoo

 

[BattleKangaroo]

Well thanks for the consistent releases, usually they are super irregular or just drop it at some point!!

 

[nightshine]

I really want to see him get along with the blonde girl, Im pretty sure she was the one messaging him on line. She feels like endgame to me

 

[FantasyMaster]

I don't wanna read 174, but I do kinda wanna comment on this too.
I was one of the (probably) few that didn't call the drama 10 chapters ago, because I was busy enjoying Kaede making progress in healing his scars.
And, tbf, I still don't really care for the "drama". Life is life, you meet people, you lose people...some breakups hurts, some you go "good riddance"...this might be one of those cases.

My view on this is: call me a "Tsubasa's defender" if you think so, but know that I'm not defending anyone...I'm just stating the, imo, clear facts.
Tsubasa grew up in a very weird environment, her mother just imprinted into her the concept of "sex is bad" without explaining to her why (as is why, for her, it was bad to have the first time at 15 or why Tsubasa couldn't/shouldn't enter the +18 section), plus we add the fact that she grew up reading shoujo mangas, which are cool, but fake as fuck...
Imo, author is smart in depicting a situation that might be not so uncommon in japan.
As a result, Tsubasa came out to be a person who is disgusted by her classmate having a normal relationship with her bf, by her own mother who had sex for her to be born, by the mere thought of sex....that's fucked up.

Now, the elephant in the room: Tsubasa's choice of words "you're a guy so was it really that difficult to go against her".... author, you're a chad....I'm not joking, as I want to believe that he's obviously shitting on those people that, still nowadays, think that men can't be sexually assaulted by women because men are physically stronger than women.....spoiler: you don't need to be stronger physically, all it takes is to be in a higher power position or having a bit of blackmail material....

Still, she did act as a bitch (or was written to act like a bitch, you choose) and whatever consequences she will face, it'd be deserved (as long as it isn't counter-rape just because "fuck you too", that ain't cool)

 

[Kitosen]

thanks for the chapter

 

[RandomnessOfTheMathWorld]

Can someone explain to me why she is feeling disgusted by anything related to sex, or even male anatomy ? Feeling a bit lost here.