Shinju no Nectar - Ch. 87 - The History of Huang Lia

[jrocker]

So Kai is going to come in and get declared true king because he can fully read the script. I bet the priestess joins the harem and he gets a black dragon form and worshipped as their God until he again fakes his death

 

[Werebearguy]

Plot twist; the Dragon Texts are just a shopping list for various adult materials, and everyone "forgot" how to read it out of shame.

 

[zz2000]

Well, this is turning out to be more interesting than it already was. I, for one, enjoy this kind of world-building lore stuff, hit me with more!

The mangaka is even basing the current lore on the story of the RL lost Chinese Imperial Seal - made in the Qin Dynasty and serving as a physical mandate of rule for many dynasties - until it was lost after the fall of the Tang dynasty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_Seal_of_the_Realm

 

[alacaelum]

Spoiler: This is a rant, not very good one but i needed to say it

And... it started... the comment section whining.

Sorry, I don't disagree with anyone here but... it gets stale at a certain point people calling this boring and a slog, when it has happened already (more than once) it has kept going and left it behind, and it is a weakness from the author that he simply powers trough.

I am not saying to praise it, if you don't like you don't like, but... please... let it just pass through, I can't deal with an entire comment section of people just complaining when it is just how things are with the story, this is a monthly manga and the author clearly has this style of writing.

Anyway... beautiful tatas in this chapter, Yaomei has a pretty pair.

 

[Mordenheim]

Huh really?
Here I thought the kanji that Japanese used is more or less look similar with the one that Taiwanese used.

Historically, japanese imperial court adopted the chinese script to write down their language, which was most unfortunate for the generations to come because the chinese script is actually incredibly unsuitable for japanese language, lol.

My god, it's Japanese.

I forget; Sakura's from fantasy Japan right? Like how Albion's Britain, Dhala's India, Noel's from Ireland, Sinchar's the Middle East, and Shiera's from... uh... somewhere. Come to think of it I forget what Garandoa corresponds to. Same with Hasasland.

Anyways good boobs. Also good worldbuilding. RIP the priestess getting thrown in jail for doing her job properly.

Errrm...
Sakura's kingdom was not detailed enough to determine on what real country it's based.
Albion is pretty much England. Noel's country could be Ireland or Scotland.
Dhala is most likely Bismarck's Germany.
Sinchar was most likely East Roman (Byzantine) Empire OR the Ottoman Empire and Arab Revolt.
Shiera's could be any of these unfortunate Polynesian people.
Garandoa dunno.
Yashimano&Hasas are most likely based on the japanese colonization of Ezochi (Hokkaido) and subjugation of the indigenous Ainu.

Edit: I think we get the answer why Ginren 'lured' Sakura here; she is the descendant of black dragon people which... kinda places our little heroine in precarious position.

 

[MesaOracle]

Sacred texts get read by MC to which he finds its titled "Big'Uns".

 

[mallet]

Historically, japanese imperial court adopted the chinese script to write down their language, which was most unfortunate for the generations to come because the chinese script is actually incredibly unsuitable for japanese language, lol.


Errrm...
Sakura's kingdom was not detailed enough to determine on what real country it's based.
Albion is pretty much England. Noel's country could be Ireland or Scotland.
Dhala is most likely Bismarck's Germany.
Sinchar was most likely East Roman (Byzantine) Empire OR the Ottoman Empire and Arab Revolt.
Shiera's could be any of these unfortunate Polynesian people.
Garandoa dunno.
Yashimano&Hasas are most likely based on the japanese colonization of Ezochi (Hokkaido) and subjugation of the indigenous Ainu.

Edit: I think we get the answer why Ginren 'lured' Sakura here; she is the descendant of black dragon people which... kinda places our little heroine in precarious position.

I thought Dhala was Third Republic France, it's called a republic early on. The rivalry and places they've fought over parallel French imperial conflicts with England.

 

[TakeyaMomiji]

I must say this series kinda boring recently, since chapter (i'm forget which one, that all i know Sakura runaway and come to meet Huang Lia part) every update just only talk, talk, and talk. Which no action n nothing more that make me really get excited (unless booba stuff) this manga just like lost it's identity and turn into a Ancient Chinese tale (Chinese myth tale). I'm not say this series is bad but some of these chapter got easy skip for sure.

 

[Jadeite_McSwag]

My god, it's Japanese.

I forget; Sakura's from fantasy Japan right? Like how Albion's Britain, Dhala's India, Noel's from Ireland, Sinchar's the Middle East, and Shiera's from... uh... somewhere. Come to think of it I forget what Garandoa corresponds to. Same with Hasasland.

Anyways good boobs. Also good worldbuilding. RIP the priestess getting thrown in jail for doing her job properly.

The place with the devil people Yashimano was Japan. MC told the emperor how it is very similar to his country and during the battle against hasas they talked about how their descendants were honorable warriors and stuff like samurais

 

[Jadeite_McSwag]

I must say this series kinda boring recently, since chapter (i'm forget which one, that all i know Sakura runaway and come to meet Huang Lia part) every update just only talk, talk, and talk. Which no action n nothing more that make me really get excited (unless booba stuff) this manga just like lost it's identity and turn into a Ancient Chinese tale (Chinese myth tale). I'm not say this series is bad but some of these chapter got easy skip for sure.

Comparing the pacing in this arc to the first few arcs is like night and day

 

[wilddeath]

talk talk talk, this chapter would have been a snooze fest if it wasn't for the "plot important" and "necessary" shots

as someone who read between the tits i found the info dumb very informative.

 

[savris]

...why do I get the feeling that it'll eventually be found out that four-eyes has likely had a hand in taking out the emperor and he'll say some nonsense like being in-love with the consort or some such...

Oh, and tits. Can't forget those.

 

[nutjob]

@Finemang
Typo on page 3:
emperess > empress

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

The mangaka is even basing the current lore on the story of the RL lost Chinese Imperial Seal - made in the Qin Dynasty and serving as a physical mandate of rule for many dynasties - until it was lost after the fall of the Tang dynasty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_Seal_of_the_Realm

Huh, that just makes it even more interesting! I love it when manga uses RL lore like this ^^

 

[Mordenheim]

I thought Dhala was Third Republic France, it's called a republic early on. The rivalry and places they've fought over parallel French imperial conflicts with England.

Hmmm, good point.

 

[Sultan_erin]

Historically, japanese imperial court adopted the chinese script to write down their language, which was most unfortunate for the generations to come because the chinese script is actually incredibly unsuitable for japanese language, lol.


Errrm...
Sakura's kingdom was not detailed enough to determine on what real country it's based.
Albion is pretty much England. Noel's country could be Ireland or Scotland.
Dhala is most likely Bismarck's Germany.
Sinchar was most likely East Roman (Byzantine) Empire OR the Ottoman Empire and Arab Revolt.
Shiera's could be any of these unfortunate Polynesian people.
Garandoa dunno.
Yashimano&Hasas are most likely based on the japanese colonization of Ezochi (Hokkaido) and subjugation of the indigenous Ainu.

Edit: I think we get the answer why Ginren 'lured' Sakura here; she is the descendant of black dragon people which... kinda places our little heroine in precarious position.

There is a mention of a germanic sounding recently formed empire, that is almost definitely bismarck's germany. The location of it made me think that dhala is russian, but i guess the author wanted to made it more obscure because they are the main antagonist. The nereid is likely to be some islander greeks on a more tropical environment considering the sunken empire theme and proximity to sinchar, which by the geographic description is very similar to constantinople other than their obviously desert location and arab-like culture.

Sakura came from suriyah, which by the name alone point out to syria, but the early chapter looks like it is being set in india and (if i remember it right) she mentioned cultural proximity to huang lia, so i think tibet is the more likely contender. Also made sense how someone from her country ends up in chinese court if she is a tibetan.

Edit: also, sakura can't be japanese because we've been there and she doesn't fit in with the local culture, plus japan is an independent country which contradict the story setting that her country has been conquered.

Edit 2: i also couldn't fit the dwarves neatly to any country. The only isolationist mountain german that i can think of is the swiss, but i don't think that they ever had any threat from the east, nor are they early adopters of trains. Also got that arabian feeling again with how they are hiding the women.

 

[Sultan_erin]

Huh really?
Here I thought the kanji that Japanese used is more or less look similar with the one that Taiwanese used.

Taiwanese is another official version of the chinese scripts. Because of the nature of it, chinese script act more like a language than something like alphabetic writing system, with different language using a different "dialect" of the script. And just like language, new characters pops up all the time or slowly morphed into a new form as needed by the language using it. The countries that use chinese script then decided that they need to standardize the "language" so that people can communicate better. As we can see, the two china disagreed on the approach and do their standardization independently to each other, with mainland china simplifying the old "word" whenever they could and the taiwanese preserving more of it.

Japanese kanji being similar to taiwanese is because both country never sought to truly overhaul their characters unlike in mainland china, so their script resemble more of the old chinese script, but the over a thousand year split between the two still mean that they've diverged considerably from each other.

 

[Mordenheim]

There is a mention of a germanic sounding recently formed empire, that is almost definitely bismarck's germany. The location of it made me think that dhala is russian, but i guess the author wanted to made it more obscure because they are the main antagonist. The nereid is likely to be some islander greeks on a more tropical environment considering the sunken empire theme and proximity to sinchar, which by the geographic description is very similar to constantinople other than their obviously desert location and arab-like culture.

Sakura came from suriyah, which by the name alone point out to syria, but the early chapter looks like it is being set in india and (if i remember it right) she mentioned cultural proximity to huang lia, so i think tibet is the more likely contender. Also made sense how someone from her country ends up in chinese court if she is a tibetan.

Edit: also, sakura can't be japanese because we've been there and she doesn't fit in with the local culture, plus japan is an independent country which contradict the story setting that her country has been conquered.

Edit 2: i also couldn't fit the dwarves neatly to any country. The only isolationist mountain german that i can think of is the swiss, but i don't think that they ever had any threat from the east, nor are they early adopters of trains. Also got that arabian feeling again with how they are hiding the women.

Well, I mainly base my assumption on the fact that Dhala, despite calling itself a republic, has ruling dynasty backed by strong military class. Plus, you can see all these military endeavours in many places, which would fit the Bismarck's policy of 'blood&iron'. That being said, the Czarist Russia also makes sense since they apparently conquered some territories close to Sinchar.
You raise good point with Nereids, it's possible the author's inspiration was Atlantis.

As for the Sakura... her country was conquered by Dhala and if what you say about the cultural proximity is true then @mallet is right and Dhala is France and Sakura's country was most likely Vietnamese kingdom incorporated in the French Indochina.

Well, in veeeery paper-thin theory the dwarves could be Daylamites, but yeah there is alot of jumps in logic with that.

 

[Salfaro]

I'd be kinda surprised if it was just straight up Chinese, tbh. This is Sakura's arc, not the MC's, so it would feel a little goofy if she had to call in the MC to read it, vs being able to read it herself.

I assume it's just fantasy chinese (so not-quite-kanji language) that she's able to read.

 

[0ptM1Qi0znn6FBtq]

All right, I wondered how the author would manage to fit the PLOT into this lore-heavy chapter and he didn't disappoint lol