Sousou no Frieren - Vol. 2 Ch. 14 - Articulate Monsters

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@Operation_Recon Yeah, they seem to think "classical" demons are what they were shown in their americanized biblical cartoons. Even in the bible itself demons weren't cold blooded killers but tricksters that induced humans to sin
 
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This is a nice twist on a twist you so often see in fantasy stories where "Demons are misunderstood and prejudiced against, but they're just like humans." This flips the trope, where demons are viewed empathetically but are in fact deceitful and evil.
 
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@Operation_Recon isnt that just a Djinn?, that just like us by having good and bad person in their race, but the demon or satan or whatever is the one who's pure evil, deceitful and hate human because they envy human because we are more "important" in god eye
 
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Quite the coincidence that this Aura demon started regaining power at the same time the hero died 28 years ago, something something seal?
 
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This is great! Finally demons are demons, evil is evil and no two fucks are given! Amazing!
 
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@AusarKun calling djinn demons is like calling oni demons, it's not wrong but I guess not accurate enough, and no, demons are just like humans, the purely evil no-good demons - and humans too- are called devils.
 
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I feel conflicted, I know I'm reading too much into it.
In p. 13 the demon says "I want to live peacefully", that's why it kills the family and offers the child. What does "live peacefully" mean here? Does it mean "eat humans freely in the village"?
In p. 11 there is a small "montage" of moments of the demon living in the village. There are scenes with the little girl and the village chief. There seems to be no emotional bond because she kills one and offer the other. Why would she want to offer the girl to the family of the girl she had previously killed? Is it just to "pay" some sort of debt? Her problem seems to be the "hostility" she feels every day (p. 13).
Then she says "mother" (p. 15), in her attemp to survive (p. 15). You could say that confirms demons use human language, not "to communicate, but to decieve" (p. 18). So who was she trying to decieve with the offering of the village chief to "live peacefully"? Her plan was to be accepted by the community and then kill freely?
I'm just trying to understand what was the deal with that demon. I don't know about demons being good or bad, although I'm going with the idea that demons are "man-eating predators" (p. 18). I care more about understanding motivation.
It was a bit long so I put it as a spoiler.
 
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Yo solo leo esto desde un punto de vista casual. Demonio es un "ser malvado", simplemente.

Quiero pensar que Frieren tenía algún tipo de barrera protectora, porque se vio bastante débil.

O tal vez no sintió que alguien ahí tuviera la fuerza para hacerle un rasguño.

De cualquier forma, ella se dejó capturar. Yo espero que en el siguiente capítulo ella se ponga berserker y sea imparable.
 
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@Romanaire I think to her it was just simple negotiation. Maybe for her it was like the mother wanted her child back, then take this one. Now the village chief who is the parent is no more. So she wouldn't be charged for another child. And the child couldn't charge for a parent, since she got a family (and a mother as plus).
 
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Warning, you’re “humanizing” the demons in this series.
Here, humans and demons are not two peoples who clash for differences of ideas or power games; they are a bunch of wolves in human form who want to eat sheep, and sheep in human form who do anything – or at least should – to not be eaten. It is not a question of misunderstanding between peoples, but of survival.
If humans forgive, they’re eaten. If demons forgive, they don’t eat and die.

For the same reason, no demon would ever join a group of human adventurers; no matter how vegan you may become and decide not to eat the sheep anymore (and you must always see if your body allows you to survive without eating them) it would be like putting yourself on four legs and starting to cry, burning the grass with them.


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Honestly, I wouldn't even say demons are deceiving or evil.
Perhaps deceiving yes, but no more than deep-sea fish that use light to attract prey, or spiders weaving their web to catch insects to eat. Evil? from an ethical - and therefore human - point of view, yes.
But from a purely biological point of view they behave like any other hunting animal.

The basic problem is that we humans have not been used to being on the side of prey for tens of millennia, since we have risen to the top of the hierarchy of the most dangerous predators and there are very few species that can put us in trouble (mosquitoes, bacteria, viruses, ourselves), so we see every gesture of possible aggression against us as evil and cruel.

We even do it with nature, when misfortunes such as earthquakes, tsunamis or hurricanes happen; as if the hurricane purposely chose to pass over a populous city instead of a desolate area because it wants to do as much damage as possible...
 
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I don't feel like the demons are inherently evil, it's the obvious interpretation coming from their prey (humans). But from the girl in the hero party memory, i'd say she was more of a psychopath rather than evil. She didn't understand what was bad in her actions and what would make the humans upset, as she couldn't empathize with them. She considered her decision a mistake, but nothing in her actions leads to me thinking that she wanting a peacefull life was a lie.
If they can eat things other then humans, they could very well blend in and just not kill humans, just like fellow humans do. Basically, a human pychopath is not much diferent from the demons from what i understood. Both won't feel human emotions and won't feel anything about deceiving and hurting humans as such, both could deceive and eat humans for nutruition, like hannibal. If any of them wants to blend into human society with no problems, they could as long as they learned human customs and rules. From what we see it doesn't seem like they have any biologically derived drive to consume humans as well.
 
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"I want to live peacefully" was a sound the demon learned to make when surrounded by hostile humans. "Mother" was a sound it learned causes humans to be unable to continue an attack.
 
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Excellent, really solid and unique mood continues. Nice to see series that really get the feeling of Not Human, rather then the "human-with-funny-bits-coloring" so many end up in.

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A term that might apply here and help others if they're curious about looking up other examples is "blue and orange morality", in contrast to the normal "black and white morality". IRL humanity has never dealt with sentient beings that aren't human, and even when we develop human+ level AI, it'll still be our creation and at least initially trained upon the corpus of knowledge and culture developed by humanity. So there is a real tendency even in fiction to treat any intelligence as having morality along the same axis that we consider our own.

But for something truly capital-letter Alien/Not Human (even merely wolf/shark/cat/octopus/social insects/whatever that was raised up to human-scale intelligence), there is no reason to expect it'd have the same moral axis we do. It could simply have an entire value system with completely different foundations. Sometimes it might take actions we'd perceive as "good" and sometimes "bad" or sometimes just weird, but the reasons for those actions wouldn't match our own Theory Of Mind which in turn would throw off any naive predictions a human would make about their future behavior. All of us are normally running our own ToM all the time which we use to help predict social interactions, and it usually (with exceptions for sure, it's part of the reasons true high functioning psychopaths can be so effective) goes pretty well. But something running a completely different model, "common sense" simply doesn't apply and might yield deeply incorrect results, which of course might be very bad for us if said thing is inherently a predator.
 

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