Sousou no Frieren - Vol. 4 Ch. 32 - Orden Family

[Ronanovsky]

Darn I didn't expect to learn some German in this comment section, but I still have no idea which one is acceptable as answer.

 

[DragonRider45]

GOD DAMN!!! She's Gorgeous AF.

 

[chris49ford]

@chieftanin @UnChosen and Kirei Cake thank you for these chapters

 

[chieftanin]

@chris49ford it's my pleasure, kind stranger

 

[lauermeer]

cute cute!

 

[Solipsist]

It's crazy how much this manga feels like a storyboard for an anime.

 

[Roknor]

In this chapter: Mama Frieren pimping out her kids for some quick cash.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Looks like we're taking over this thread. So I'll probably stop after this

@KleinerGruenerKaktus
>Don't rely on what you actually hear, rely on what a few linguist claim you should be hearing
Nice troll. Actually fell for it at first, but answering arguments with insults gave you away. As did this:

one way to test whether a sound is pronounced voiced or unvoiced is to put your hand against your voice box

To bad that this whole discussion was about what's called "final" or "terminal" devoicing, aka turning lenis into fortis. That's not actual devoicing, it's just commonly called that way in English. Something you'd know if you had any in-depth knowledge of the matter, or even just checked Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final-obstruent_devoicing ):

the term devoicing may be misleading, since voice is only an optional feature of German lenis obstruents. By contrast, the German term for the phenomenon, Auslautverhärtung ("final-sound hardening"), refers to fortition rather than devoicing.

Lesen bildet.

The pronunciation [ˈhoːnɪç] for Honig can and has been just as easily proven

At least now, you've shown beyond all doubt that you've either got no clue how German words are actually pronounced, or can't tell the difference between dialect (northern dialects again, btw) and standard German. And yes, "Honig" is a good example for final devoicing - it was written (and probably pronounced) "Honec" or "Honic" in the medieval ages, then softened to "Honig" since. Both in spelling and in Pronunciation.

Not going to bother replying to your assumptions about me, btw. That level of discussion should stay on the chans.

@Ronanovsky

Darn I didn't expect to learn some German in this comment section, but I still have no idea which one is acceptable as answer.

Scientifically, the matter has been pretty much settled since Sütterlin (who I'm sure someone will claim wasn't actually an expert at anything, though he's probably the one linguist every German has heard of at some point):
Final devoicing ("Auslautverhärtung" in German) was common in the medieval ages, and only survived in northern Germany. Almost all scientific studies, Wikipedia (both English and German) and the one recent book on the topic I'm aware of (Variantenwörterbuch des Deutschen) agree, and the few studies that disagreed were all proven to have made either scientific mistakes (such as only testing people from one region of Germany, yet claim their results were true for all regions) or be not reproducible.
As to why some people here disagreed, my best guess is that they assumed the "devoicing" in "final devoicing" has the same meaning as the literal translation ("stimmlos machen"), which isn't the case. Or that they were just trolling.

But for the matter at hand, it's not all that relevant, since we don't know what transcription system the author uses. If it's one that assumes that a final "d" should be written as ト, and "l" as ル rather than ゥ, knowing that he's wrong won't help.

 

[kokeko]

DO YOU THINK A YOUG MAN WHO HAS REACHED ADULTHOOD COULD EVER ATTEND ONE ALONE?
FUCK

 

[Scrabbleman]

Stark's family was such a dick to him, that seeing a different warrior family treat their own kindly really shocked him. There are many paths to strength.

 

[Tearsax]

Mama LOL

 

[Darketower]

I got hooked on this manga because of the introspective journey that Frieren has been on, and her realization that “you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone” with regards to Himmel. But these days, I’m all about the slow-burn Fern-Stark love story. The more it unfolds, the more I feel like Fern with Stark is basically Frieren if she’d taken the Himmel route.

Also, I love that holiday image with Chibi-Himmel kissing Frieren on the cheek (and Mama Frieren holding her babies, Fern and Stark).

 

[ThemBo]

thanks for the update!

I loved that they kept calling Feren his mom and no really denied it, lol. Its also pretty sweet to see the relationship between the father to his son as contrasted with his own experences

 

[IaBot]

The Christmas panel is so beautiful, thanks for the chapter

 

[Iroha73]

Great Chapter! The whole group looks really gorgeous. I don't mind it too much but, I still hope there isn't any forced romance in this between Fern and Stark. If there is, it should be done carefully.

 

[AceTheBase]

@Iroha73
Me too, although i hope they just remain as friends or have that sibling relationship. I dont see why they should get together, cant even picture since they are so different

 

[HyoEden]

Loved this chapter, also, Frieren mama 😂

 

[reen112]

Mama Freiren

 

[poweranger11]

Do it for the money lol

 

[Nematode]

Good luck with your mother dude