Tensei Oujo to Tensai Reijou no Mahou Kakumei - Ch. 48

[zaza2121]

There's no way I'm the only one who think about to this

 

[InsertName]

what chapter is this in the ln manga be updating too slowly.

 

[Sharkexpert12]

Breaking apart an established power structure is extremely hard.

Took the youth of Nepal less then a week.

 

[raineight]

what chapter is this in the ln manga be updating too slowly.

Chapter 8 of LN3.

 

[raineight]

Not really, In an absolute monarchy the royals can just decree the end of the monarchy. What will happen after that, well the other power players like the church, the former nobility and the merchants will scramble to fill that void. This will either lead to a complete collapse under the struggle, an aristocracy or a theocracy. But the power structure will change nonetheless.

Most monarchies aren't 'absolute' even in name, and the ones that are, still aren't in reality. A likely outcome to your scenario is that the monarch gets ganked and replaced by some new monarch, either a strong noble or a puppet agreeable to the other power players.

The system is already "an aristocracy", you perhaps meant oligarchy, but nominal monarchy is the more common form.

IIRC this kingdom is very non-absolute, what with the current king being a younger brother who came to power in a civil war.

 

[raineight]

I ask again what the point is for Euphie to become a spirit contractor and take the reins. A marriage between Anis and Euphie would achieve the exact same thing. Succesion? That's not resolved anyway. Or what, does Euphie plan to be the baby factory in Anis' place? Somehow I doubt that.
However, the way it goes now, Anis will eventually die and Euphie will live forever. Soon to forget Anis and why she even became a spirit contractor in the first place.

Succession can now be dismissed as "I'm immortal".

The main point was to gain religious legitimacy for political power. The nobles revere spirits and use their spirit connections to shore up their power; Euphie went over their head, harking back to the founding of the country.

 

[SageVonManga]

So if I compare the anime and the manga what the manga makes more clear is that Euphie gives no fucks and was always going to go through the spirit contract regardless of anything. The duel wasn't pointless for the reason half theses threads bring up but rather because Euphie decided she was going to 'save Anis no matter the cost' from the moment she figured out how.

If Anis had figured out how to fake using magic via her dragon powers during this duel like she figured out the rules of Lumie's water spell Euphie still wouldn't have even entertained a plan about tricking the nobles into respecting Queen Anis.

Needless to say Euphie violating the spirit of the duel and just using the spirit contract to win still feels like BS. Not to mention that she absolutely steam rolls Anis by doing this.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Succession can now be dismissed as "I'm immortal".

The main point was to gain religious legitimacy for political power. The nobles revere spirits and use their spirit connections to shore up their power; Euphie went over their head, harking back to the founding of the country.

Yep - and, the nobility despise Anis. They were okay with her marrying some noble son who would become def facto ruler who would keep the nobility's interests in mind while Anis was relegated to being a puppet queen/baby maker.

But a wedding between two women who cannot produce an heir, one of whom the ruling class cannot tolerate? That's a nonstarter.

Euphie gaining the spirit contract cuts through everything. Sure, she will take Anis as her consort, but that's incidental to her gaining the Crown which wa the true aim of the Contract, and the duel itself kinda didn' t factor into her plan for that, other than forcing Anis to commit to not getting in Euphie's plan by way of betting on the outcome of their fight.

 

[helotaku]

page 19 you are the best thing ever i bawled

 

[UdenEmpati]

So if I compare the anime and the manga what the manga makes more clear is that Euphie gives no fucks and was always going to go through the spirit contract regardless of anything. The duel wasn't pointless for the reason half theses threads bring up but rather because Euphie decided she was going to 'save Anis no matter the cost' from the moment she figured out how.

If Anis had figured out how to fake using magic via her dragon powers during this duel like she figured out the rules of Lumie's water spell Euphie still wouldn't have even entertained a plan about tricking the nobles into respecting Queen Anis.

Needless to say Euphie violating the spirit of the duel and just using the spirit contract to win still feels like BS. Not to mention that she absolutely steam rolls Anis by doing this.

It's the only bit that bothers me about the duel.

If the conceits of the LN don't occur, this just ends in Anis dying of old age, Euphie forgetting she ever existed after a long enough period of time, and the changes Euphie envisions to improve Anis' life, taking longer to implement than Anis would even be alive for.

Anis was setting herself up for a life of punishment/atonementt for what she perceived as her own mistakes up to this point, but it would have been her choice being made.
This is just Euphie going "nah, you're not allowed to, so instead sit and watch me become inhuman and then die knowing I'll one day forget you."

It's obviously more complex than that, but Euphie becomes one more person in a long line of people taking away Anis' agency of self since her childhood. She made not-good choices for herself, sure, but she was always trapped in some manner since she reincarnated here.

Obviously the LN route changes things, but I can't help but feel like there might have been some way that gave Anis more agency in her life, that also didn't rely overly on conceits that border on deus ex machina-style occurrences to "circumvent/undo" the drastic measures Euphie takes in the story here.

Or, just make it end in a tragedy for the two of them where one dies and the other becomes inhuman. Not ideal either. and certainly not tone-matching, but.

I guess the inherent tension is an indicator that the narrative is nowhere near done at this point and we're in for a long haul just in terms of timelines for the characters. But at this point without knowledge from the novel sources, it feels like Anis is being forced from one misery into another, in a sense.

If you consider the needs of the kingdom as a whole, it makes sense. But as a story centered on Anis, this feels like setting up a sad ending no matter what, by virtue of her circumstances from the start of the story.

 

[Valkyria-Edge]

Euphie steppin all over anis crisp white sheets

 

[Bloddrake]

Most monarchies aren't 'absolute' even in name, and the ones that are, still aren't in reality. A likely outcome to your scenario is that the monarch gets ganked and replaced by some new monarch, either a strong noble or a puppet agreeable to the other power players.

The system is already "an aristocracy", you perhaps meant oligarchy, but nominal monarchy is the more common form.

IIRC this kingdom is very non-absolute, what with the current king being a younger brother who came to power in a civil war.

Aristocracy is rule by a privileged, hereditary class, it does not need a monarch. A monarchy can have an aristocratic class but that alone does not make it an aristocracy.
And the only real difference between aristocracy and oligarchy is how you get into the ruling class, as a noble is defined by birthright, while an oligarch is defined by their wealth and power. You can be a poor noble and still be a noble but you cannot be a poor oligarch.
And the point with "absolute monarchy" it's just the name for french style monarchy where the Monarch have full political power and is not really beholden to a council i.e the Witenagemot or a parliament.

 

[SpencerSDH]

The yuri bait goes so hard in this series, then again are we really expecting anything other than Anis losing ? Especially since she seemly held back so much, while Euphie simply matched whatever she threw out half-heartily ?

Just because they aren't knuckle deep in each other doesn't make this yuri bait.

 

[peterYuri]

The yuri bait goes so hard in this series, then again are we really expecting anything other than Anis losing ? Especially since she seemly held back so much, while Euphie simply matched whatever she threw out half-heartily ?

The fuck? You said a officially confirmed Yuri is Yuri bait? What's wrong with you

 

[DlolFace]

"Lament of the fallen" ahh fight

 

[BlackElite]

After a thousand years the fight is over and we all still wonder why the fuck it had to come to this instead of changing the law and/or adopting a son that is worthy.

You know, adopting a worthy son always bring a nightmare to the Kingdom who wanted to maintain bloodlines... Mainly from nobles.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Took the youth of Nepal less then a week.

If you can illustrate how the circumstances of 2025 Nepal and the setting of this manga and the situation of its main characters are 1:1 and thus reasonably comparable, I'll accept the insinuation you're putting forward here.

 

[livingice]

I can't believe I'M saying this, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A MONARCHY!

Yep absolutely... but that's not the angle this stories conflict is aiming for. There are many instances where they say huge radical reform would cause an uprising and has been mentioned. Alot of the "why didn't they do this" arguments can really be chalked up to how conservative the nobles are in this setting and that they are very inflexible and wouldn't hesitate to start another uprising to maintain traditions/status quo

 

[livingice]

I ask again what the point is for Euphie to become a spirit contractor and take the reins. A marriage between Anis and Euphie would achieve the exact same thing. Succesion? That's not resolved anyway. Or what, does Euphie plan to be the baby factory in Anis' place? Somehow I doubt that.
However, the way it goes now, Anis will eventually die and Euphie will live forever. Soon to forget Anis and why she even became a spirit contractor in the first place.

I like how this assumes that marriage between two girls was a thing and would be accepted in this world, which i somewhat get because anis' sexuality is never a point of contention, but the fact that it wasn't brought up as an option I think makes it clear (to me at least) that the way for anis to no longer become queen without threatening the peace of the nobles who value tradition to view the new king/queen as legitmate wasn't through marrying euphie (and even then, the nobles where talking about heirs to be produced so that really wasn't gonna happen at all)

Edit: also to add why euphie absolutely had to become a spirit convenator is simply because that's the highest form of authority nobles would have no choice but to adhere to because of their place in their kingdoms history and religion. By becoming the very thing that founded the kingdom, euphie intended to cheat the system by using the covenent to then allow anis to slowly reform the kingdom, making nobles not be the only wielders of magic through her tools, that she was willing to give up in order to fufill her role as princess before revolutionary.

 

[raineight]

Aristocracy is rule by a privileged, hereditary class, it does not need a monarch. A monarchy can have an aristocratic class but that alone does not make it an aristocracy.

In theory you can separate them. In practice, how many non-monarchic aristocracies, or monarchies without some sort of noble class, can you name? Especially beyond the scale of a city-state? Monarchy and nobility tend to go hand-in-glove: the monarch bestows legitimacy on the nobles, who provide the power to support the monarch.

Besides, even if this kingdom did switch to a ruling council of aristocrats, that wouldn't change most of the flaws of their society.

where the Monarch have full political power and is not really beholden to a council

Yeah, uh, "full political power" can be a fiction, especially if the king challenges the power base of the nobles, directly. Don't need a formal council to just stab a guy. Unless, of course, the monarch is an immortal spirit covenanter...